Helo vs fighter,…..
i dont wanna go into a detailed awnser, but unless the Helicopter in question is Airwolf, i choose fighter :rolleyes:
i was expecting this to happen, especially after ive seen a picture of a CATIC mockup a few years back

Picture: Belgium’s first NH90-TTH
i think another season, beside costs, that most EU forces are reconcidering the F-35 is on the technology transfer and weapons capability front.
on cost, as mentioned above, when the program started at the end of the 90’s, a unit cost of US$65 million was envisioned, were halfway 2012 now, and the unit cost is now roughly US$ 197 million, almost tripple the envisioned price. Belgium wanted to join the program in 1999, but in 2001 the plan was rejected in parlement, foolish back then, a wise choise if you look at it 11 years later. even the export restriced F-22 Raptor is cheaper (last noted price, was $187 million in 2005, dont know how much that is now, but if production was reopened, unit cost could be arround $250 or 300 million)
the F-35 is a good aircraft, i can believe that and im preey sure it will be once development has progressed far enough and the first aircrat enter service.
but compared to other european and US-built aircraft (F-15E (and SE), F-16C and F/A-18E/F) the F-35 is still being developed in utter darkness and brings limitations. not cost, number or capability wise, but operational wise.
if the customer aircraft needs overhaul/upgrade of the aircraft (or depot-level maintainance), it has to fly the aircraft to a lockheed factory or subcontractor (from what i heared, in Italy). this type of work is usually done at the aircrafts home base. reason is that the technological content and software content is highly classified. that means if an aircraft brakes down, you cant fly it unless you ship it back to that facility. so the customer gets an aircraft it knows nothing about.
its like a “Kinder Surprise-effect” (refering to the chocolat egg) you get something good, but you dont know whats inside.
EU and other US export aircraft offer an aircraft thats proven, cheaper, offer full tech-transfer (or even license build deals), are not as complex or restricted and comes a (mostly) fixed price.
not to mention, if i was a defence minister, and i knew all the bad things you read about the F-35 in the media or aviation magazines, i would reconcider to.
5th gen. or 4th, when it comes to cost, most countries would concider skipping 5th generation and wait for cheaper alternatives or secondhand aircraft to hit the market, much like Germany did with the F-4F Phantom and Italy with the F-104ASA-M.
well, Belgium is looking to retire the F-16AM/BM fleet in the 2020/2025 timeframe and a replacement might be required in that timeframe.
last year it was noted the our MoD was looking into the F-35A as a prefered replacement, but the aircraft has become so expensive to aquire and maintain that this now seems very unlikely to happen.
to reduce costs, we are now looking at Joint puchases and opreations with the Netherlands, so it is likely that if NL selects the F-35, so will Belgium, but the word “Gripen-NG” has also been mentioned in whispers, witch seems like a more realistic option concidering Belgiums shoestring budget (about $3.4 Billion annually, most of it going to personel costs/wages)
the Alpha Jet will most likely not be replaced, with the recet upgrade they can stay in service until 2025, what happens after that is a mistery, most likely they will be retired without replacement ans training will continue either in the USA, Canada or remain in France on a yet to be known future french training platform.
for a large part, modernisation is already underway, the 3 Alouette III’s and 4 Sea King Mk.48 helicopters will be replaced by 4 NH90-NFH with delivery of the first machines expected by the end of this year.
Belgiums Agusta A-109 fleet is still relatively new, concidering the aircraft are about 20 years old now and an MLU might be concidered in a few years time.
the fleet however will be reduced from the current 27 (out of 45 delivered in 1992) to about 20 aircraft, these will be suplemented by 4 NH90-TTH with a further 2 in option, delivery is expected early 2013.
the C-130H fleet of 11 aircraft, witch has been serving the BAF for 40 years now, are expected to stay in service until 2022, by then they will be replaced by 7 Airbus A400M’s in the 2019/2020 timeframe + 1 additinal A400M operated on behalf of Luxemburg.
although the SF260D/M fleet is over 43 years old (entered service in 1969) they are still going strong, although the fleet has been reduced in numbers (about 32, but i dont know the exact number). there has been no mention of a potential replacement and i dont think it is on the BAF’s priority list.
all together, we still operate a worthy and highly modern Air Force, but the problem is that most of our fixed wing combat and training assets will be obsolete by 2025 and with the limited budget we have available, it will be a huge challenge to replace them all in that timeframe, some responcibilities might be transfered to partner NATO countries in order to reduce costs, but we still need some kind of indipendant air arm, as for now, the future of Belgium as a believable NATO partner is uncertain.
i agree, i never liked the F-35’s colorscheme (or anything else of it on that matter). would look a lot better in the F-22’s scheme, or even the old 60’s RAF Grey/green camo 😎
the Bronco is operated by the Bronco Demo Team in Wevelgem, Belgium.
they recently test flown a second aircraft in Duxford some time ago, 99+14 and a 3rd (now 2nd) aircraft is also expected.
it was indeed very sad to hear this news, and everyone in the Belgian Aviation community wishes pilot, Tony De Bruyn a speedy recovery and the bronco demo team all the best.
Netherlands plans to buy 11 more CH-47F’s
they are concidering either upgrading the exsisting 11 CH-47D’s to F, or to buy 11 new ones.
Belgium to buy 2 new Ready Duty Ships.
in a limited investment program, spread over 2 years, the Belgian Navy is to aquire 2 new Ready Duty ships (RDS) of a type yet to be selected.
these will replace the older vessels in service.
source (dutch only): http://www.pieterdecrem.be/index.php?id=14&L=0&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=2424&cHash=364b5ae4c449f45571974d84e0dc9008
although the Belgian Air Force already made a number of (sometimes controversial) cutbacks, i think there can be a more cost effective cutback that doesnt end up in job losses.
Belgium:
-reduce VIP/Transport fleet by withdrawing the 2 Falcon 20 and the 1 Falcon 900B from service and selling them on the civilian market. (maybe also sell one of the 4 Embraer ERJ’s to), i think 3 ERJ’s, 1 A330 and 11 C-130’s are sufficient.
-Cut back number of future fighter aircraft to be aquired in the 2020/25 timeframe from 56 to 48, and concider something more cheaper and cost-effective then the F-35A (Gripen-NG, Rafale, Typhoon or F/A-18E/F for instance).
-Completly retire the Alpha Jet (based at Cazaux, France) by 2020, or concider selling them to france (but still remain using the training program there)
-move the 15th Wing (transport) from Melsbroek to Kleine Brogel (and sell the military part to Brussels Airport for expansion), the police airwing can be moved to Deurne, Antwerp or remain in Brussels.
-concider firming the 2 optional NH90TTH’s and concider 1 additional NH90 NFH for SAR duties.
i think its a good idea to buy the Bae146 for this mission, its a lot cheaper to operate then a C-130 and ideal for small supply flights.
just one question, they are gonne be fited with Chaff/Flare self defence systems, right?
i got a sollution:
ski-jump on the front, an EMALS catapult on the angled flight deck and retain the arrestor wires.
or go STOBAR, then everybody’s happy 🙂
personally, if i were the UK, i would stick with the CATOBAR configuration, just to improve multinational cooperation with the US, France, and other countries.
back in the day, the aircraft were designed arround the carrier, now its the other way arround.
i also think catapult equiped ships have more operational abilities available: operating fixed wing and more capable aircraft (F-18E, Rafale, E-2D,…) much faster launch and trap procedures,…..
besides, if you gonna modify the ship for STOVL flights, sure the ship might be cheaper to operate and maintain (without the wires, cats,…), but that will mean your only limited to operating the F-35B and helicopters, everyone knows that.
and just when i thought common sence prevailed 🙂
IIRC, there was a report a few years back that the Phillipene Air Force was looking at surplus A-10A’s to replace the old OV-10’s 🙂
Spain cuts its NH90 order by 7 aircraft.
http://www.abc.es/20111125/espana/abcp-defensa-anula-compra-helicopteros-20111125.html