While the French versions did not suffer the type of industrial vandalism the UK version had to suffer, they are currently in as sorry state due to neglect, all have been drained down of hydraulics, the engines require a full overhaul having not been run or inhibited any spares there were have either been auctioned off or scrapped and it would require months of work just to get one taxiable as it stands if enough parts could be scrounged from the remaining airframes to cobble together a working airframe, plans for preservation are in discussion but this has been ongoing since withdrawl from service, so to date I very much doubt anyone would want too take on the task, certainly Boeing did not want them when they had the choice between the Russian SST mothballed for years and UK or French Concordes fresh out of service well maintained and still with current C of A’s for the large airframe supersonic data flights they wanted to achieve, they choose the Russian airframe even though they had too re-engine it to get it flyable and except the shortcommings of the airframe.
In short enjoy the memory as thats all thats left too us of SST passenger flight.
Speeling aside, 558 has indeed faired well and in a few weeks time when everyone is happy she will again grace the skies above the UK, and I for one will be pleased to say not before time….:D
It was always my understanding that the HLF would take each and every case on its merits so any indication that 558 has ‘Killed Off’ lottery funding is doubtful, as for the CAA never found them ‘Antsy’ about anything, just determined to follow the rules, or rather determined that every application for a permit too fly will and there is the true problem over and above financial ones, getting the required infrastructure in place to allow the CAA to look on such a project as viable, groups can’t, so they don’t.
sad about the RAF and the Tax regime in the UK but that’s what you get when you allow Politicians to dabble for their own mediocre ends.
Which ever way you look at it though, 558 may really be the last such return too flight in the UK of a large complex airframe unless TVOC take on further work to support there original project and keep there core staff employed and allow them too train up replacements, something they really need to be doing.
Doubtfull they have had many problems this week so far, it’s 19:15 and they are just buttoning up the engine bays for the night, as for allowing themselves to be rushed or even give the appearance of same, again doubtful, they have always maintained that they do not have a time schedule, only a very long list of things that required completing before the CAA would issue a permit to fly, from there they can move on too working the aircraft and crew up to display standards and only then would I expect too see 558 on the circuit, if it’s this year then a lot of people are going to be very happy indeed, if not they will be just as happy next year.
I belive from reading the TVOC forum, that they now have several vehicles available to them, some provided by sponsors, to accomplish the task you speak of if required though it has never been indicated that landings away from Bruntingthorpe are planned I am sure they will occur on occasions like RIAT maybe…:D
DGH the statement is not at all an innocent one as I am fully versed in the CAA’s opinion on the subject at hand and fully understand their stance on the matter, however far to many people in the UK are to willing too give up before they begin and without that drive little will ever be achieved if you go by some of the posts on this forum as little consensus of opinion can be found.
My own view counts for little alone, but thankfully many thousands have similar views if only in regard too 558, it is now the duty of the preservation movement to expand on that base and extend the current projects knowledge into other future restorations.
It may also be past time that the preservation community began considering a new approach too the whole subject of aircraft preservation in the UK with regards to finance and restoration to flight based possibly more on the lines of the US model.
Again it is the will to do this that is required above all else as without significant change in the current situation we will all be having this same debate in ten or twenty years time but will be then have lost a large part of our aviation heritage too the scrap men.
Not the first time I have read the phrase ‘Serviceable Ground Runner’ in relation too 558 taking Lindy’s Lad’s post totally out of context.
Truth is as you like to present it I suppose but in the case of 558 to date every single penny of funding with the exception of the HLF input has been gained through donations from people like myself with the view that they ‘personally’ would like to see a Vulcan fly once again in UK airspace.
Too lessen this achievement by indicating that the money could have been better spent by sharing it among the other preserved airframes would in essence have only maintained the status quo of those airframes and 558 alike for a slightly extended period, and that so many people have contributed freely towards this project only serves to highlight the strength of feeling about it in my opinion.
The ongoing ramifications of the experience gained in returning 558 to flight status have yet to fully effect the preservation industry in the UK and I am certain that others are watching closely as it progresses, as for Victors, Buccaneers and Lightnings, I have long been puzzled by the way everyone is so quick too step up and say it cannot be done when in reality they should be asking themselves how it might be done, TVOC have shown that it can convince the CAA such a project is viable and sustainable it’s now up to others too take that experience gained and put it too good use.
Bex, it is my understanding that the original decision to remove the radar unit and was in keeping with the TVOC announcement that everything that required maintenance, but was not required for flight operations even down too the drinks warmer, was to be removed and stored for refitting once 558 was finally withdrawn from service.
This decision was explained on the web site a long time back and was based on cost, and as the H2S is no longer required in any respect, the aircraft being confined to VMC operations, having it fitted would require maintenance and money, removal of the unit required the fitting of ballast too compensate, hence the so called ‘Red Slab Radar’ thingy which apart from inclusion in the general inspection regime does not require any maintenance other than a lick of paint now and again.
All four run today, asked the same question re: the Bucket, my guess is enviromental
And Why Not…..Lucky Devil….:diablo:
Some of the best CGI work I,ve seen in a long time that.
According to the replies given by Smiler on the TVOC website 603’s radome has been ‘Borrowed’ to allow ground running to commence while the original has some work done too the seals after which it will be refitted in preperation for flight.
Sad end too 603 of course but her fate was sealed by the original owners decisions a very long time ago, well before her demise became headline news on this and other forums.
Lived in Eastbourne for almost twenty years and never once been too the airshow, not that I have missed a single display yet, they approach directly over my home.
Anyway the current published list of displays and times can be viewed here.
http://www.eastbourneairshow.com/flyingdisplay/
Ther is also a link offering the chance to buy on line the daily flying schedule which is normally modified to take into account short notice cancellations and occasionally additions.
Sadly XH558 will not be there this year.
Used to have this problem a lot until I uprated my system, fluctuating frame rates, going along quite nicley then for now apparent reason stuttering images with rates down in the low ones or two per second, reboot and all back to normal, never really found an answer except to lower various settings which improved the performance no end, lowering the overall scenery size, changing Tri too Bi linear filtering, Anti Aliasing settings lowered and of course the old thorn of lighting.
Anyway I have another problem that has cropped up out of the blue that maybe someone can help with….Sound, specifically the loss of ATC/ATIS voice, everything else works just fine, loud as you like but the loss of ATC voice is a real pain.
Re-installed 2004 again and agaijn in an attempt too rectify this problem to no avail.
According too the websites ‘Engineering update’, a component failure in the hydraulics system has led too a short delay in preperations until a replacement can be tested and delivered.
One interesting thing that did come too light from a forum member and former RAF ground engineer was the total number of bods employed by the RAF to accomplish what is now taking shape in Brunty, estimated at around 150 for the overhaul alone plus sundry other erk’s sooties and the like after which the A/C was towed away for another crew of around 30-40 to complete functionals.
Not bad for a group averaging around twenty is it.
All gleaned from the TVOC website before anyone ask’s