Don’t confuse the flare tube with the “recognition device.” The “Automatic recognition device” was introduced, under mod 153, from 14-6-1940. From 1-7-1940, under mod 185, one “Parachute flare tube” was deleted. From 7-4-1941, under mod 235, the automatic recognition device was repositioned to fire upwards. The parachute flare tube, by its very name, seems to indicate that it was gravity-operated, in fact there’s a photo of them being loaded with dinghy packs, for ASR purposes.
The RAF Museum, in their MAC list of drawings, holds negatives of several pertinent drawings. MAC 852 is drawing 30064 11G “Arrangement of parachute flare container”; 853 is 30064 45G “Installation of recognition device”; 854 is 30064 48G “Assembly of recognition device”; 855 is 30064 53G ” (as Chumpy has said) “Installation of Plessey recognition device.” One of those installation drawings shows it firing down, the other is upwards. The reason for the change of position could be quite simple; firing up would be more visible, especially during a landing, and firing it down, into a field of standing corn, for example, wouldn’t sit well with the farmer, or a housewife on wartime bread rations.
Edgar
My apologies; I put my answer onto the old thread, without looking at the previous dates.:o
Edgar
I retired 4 years ago, after spending 20 years building, and repairing, instruments. On the “P” compasses, as well as the internal tubes, which contained radium powder, the cardinals, and the crosswires, on the rotating top, were also painted with radium paint. As one inspector told me, it isn’t so much the rays given off by the paint (which are minimal if it’s behind glass,) but the age of the paint. Old paint turns to dust; breathe that in……..
Radium paint was banned, many years ago, but I was given a pair of Spanish-built a/c compasses, for repair, and felt safe, because they’d been built in 1980, long after the ban; got the fright of my life, on opening them, and recognising the tell-tale dirty brown paint, with black flecks in it. Sure enough the geiger counter went berserk, so not everyone has obeyed the rules.
E2B compass production was sold off, by Smiths, to SIRS, in Kent, many years ago, and I’ve never come across a “hot” E2B. “P” compasses are (and have been for a long time) coated with fluorescent paint, not radium, but it still pays to look carefully; brown + black specks, and I wouldn’t touch it. Before I went to work there, my company used to just scrape off the old paint, wash it clean, and dump the liquid outside; contractors had to come and remove several feet of topsoil, once an inspection team tested the ground. A few years ago, I read of a housing estate, in Reading, where topsoil had to be removed, because it was radioactive; when I checked, it was built beside the site of the old Ministry compass facility.
Edgar
I’ve no idea about licences; I was just another “Herbert” working at a bench. I’d doubt that we had one, since any instrument, which got an adverse reaction from the geiger counter, went straight back, plastered in yellow warning sticky tape. I’d imagine that a room with closed-circuit air conditioning (which we did have,) plus special clothing, breathing apparatus, filters, and reaction meters (which we didn’t) would have been an absolute minimum. We went almost under a death sentence, if one had been worked on, since it was known that one speck of radioactive dust, discovered by an inspector (who never actually appeared, in my 20 years,) would have closed the factory.
The original site, where the water/solvents had been poured, was covered with blackberry bushes, a magnet for any new employee. After they’d picked, and eaten, a load, one of the old-timers would take them quietly aside (with everyone else trying to keep a straight face,) and, after relating the tale of the soil removal, would tell them to switch off the lights, when they got home, and, if they glowed, they should contact a hospital immediately.:diablo:
Edgar
As long as it was 121 Squadron, RAF roundels would have been carried; only from 29-9-42, when it was transferred to the U.S.A.A.C., as 335(P) Squadron, would the star have been added.
Edgar
Lancaster I, III, and VII; Defiant II; Beaufighter II; Halifax II & V; Hurricane II & IV; Sea Hurricane II; Miles M.20 snd. prototype; Spitfire III.
Edgar
Understandable, but you’re now a little behind the times, regarding the RAF Museum’s library. They have a new scanner/printer system, in which it’s possible to make the plan fit onto the one-size-fits-all roll of paper; during my last visit, each (A2-ish) sheet still cost £2, but they feared that the price would have to rise, due to the cost of the system. However, with a bit of forethought, it is possible to photograph the screen, and capture the image FOC. At the last count, there are 66,000 images, in the MAC files, and they’re all on their computer system, so hours of fun can be had finding which one you need.
Edgar
I don’t have any policemen, crooked or otherwise, but it is nice of you to lift your nose out of the Daily Mail for a few moments..
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Not one for snap judgements then? Always believe that someone, with whom you disagree, is guilty until proven innocent? Sorry for the disappointment, but I gave up reading newspapers 40 years ago, since I found that I couldn’t trust them to tell the truth. I recommend that you follow my lead, and treat all madia reports with the same caution; you never know, it’s possible that they get things wrong occasionally.
Were you there? Do you have any information that has not been reported in the court? Is my input any more cynical than those who welcome the death of a possible nasty piece of work with so much left unanswered?
Don’t answer a question with a question; I’m not the one refusing to accept the jury’s verdict, so my thoughts are as irrelevant as yours. A majority out of 10 people, who were there, and heard all of the evidence, have given a verdict, which you are hell-bent on refusing to acknowledge.
And since you ask I have had a police weapon pointed at me – it lasted maybe three seconds (or several hours as I recall) and I drain blood whenever I think of what could have happened if I hadn’t noticed the officer coming in and put my hands up immediately,
Yet Duggan, apparently, reached into his pocket (where police were entitled to think he might be carrying the gun they were told he’d acquired) to get a mobile phone, instead of putting up his hands. Never wondered why? Was it to warn his little friends that he wouldn’t be able to come and play Cowboys and Indians, after all?
Many years ago there was an occurrence of kids playing ‘cowboys’ or something where armed police were alerted to a gun battle – they apparently came in with guns nearly blazing to a group of boys with cap pistols and stick shouting bang. I was shocked on hearing this from a former workmate – his son was one of those involved and apparently my friend was on the receiving end of a copper telling him off for letting his son play with a stick. Innocents getting let off with a warning because the police were embarrassed?
Or maybe a policeman sick with the realisation of what could have happened (even policemen have feelings, strange as it might seem,) so gave vent? “Guns nearly blazing” Oh, please, you weren’t there, so how do you know that?
I’m sure you are happy that an event like this can only happen to the right sort, and will only happen to that criminal sort, aren’t you.
You do love the emotive claptrap, and running off at the mouth with cheap accusations, don’t you? Unfortunately for you, I’m not happy or unhappy, since the event has nothing to do with me, and, unlike some, I can resist the urge to stick my nose into an affair about which I know nothing.
I have two questions:-
were you in the coroner’s court throughout the hearing?
have you heard every word, from every witness, at first hand?
If the answer is “No” to either, or both, of the questions, then your entire thread comes out as a cynical attempt to blacken the characters of people you do not know, and all this talk of children with guns being gunned down does nothing to further your case.
“Maybe” “what if” “imagine” “would have” “could have” are no more than guesses, put forward by you, in an attempt to make things out to be worse than they really were; you even manage to imply that the gun was planted, after the event, presumably by one of your “crooked” policemen.
“Excreta agitator” (or a slightly more prosaic expression) comes to mind on reading your input.
So you are quite happy that this psychopathic monster that you follow stands idly by while children are raped? That makes you nothing less than a sociopath.
You are sounding sillier, and more hysterical, as the thread moves to its inevitable demise; if lions and the threat of crucifixion didn’t deflect early Christians from their faith, then your patently absurd reasoning (if that’s the right word) has no chance, whatsoever. Nearly 70 years ago, my mother advised me never to get into an argument about religion or politics, and your shrieking rants show that (as so often) “Mother was right.” And, no, I’m not going to tell you what my beliefs/disbeliefs might be, because it’s none of your business.
I’ve posted directly contradictory statements & not one person reading them has caught them.
Or possibly don’t care enough to bother? Admitting that you’re here just to act as a troll (aka “stirrer of excreta”) does you no credit, whatsoever.
Or maybe he was checking that his argument is being followed and its you who is stirring the dung?
Good lord, no, Heaven forbid that I should trespass on your territory, you being such a master of the art, and all that.
It seems to depend on your dictionary:-
DOGMA n “a settled opinion; a principle or doctrine; a doctrine laid down with (note – not by) authority”
Rather seems to cover both sides of the argument, to me, anyway.
How can you teach atheism? there is no proof of a negative
or a positive
How can you teach religion ? there is no proof of existence
or non-existence
Surely the default is that you are born without any prejudices,anything that is put in there is either by survival instinct or taught by elders.Surely teaching religion should be banned until adulthood where people are free to decide for themselves after looking at all the facts.
As a child, I went to Sunday School, and at the age of 10, was confirmed into the church; within two years I’d had enough, and quit, so was perfectly able to make my own decision, yet you wouldn’t allow that choice. Education is the tool with which a child is prepared for the big, wide world, and to make decisions for himself/herself, yet you, because of your prejudices, would deny him/her that right.
Why stop there? Don’t teach them a foreign language, until they’re old enough to decide if they want to speak to foreigners; don’t teach them science until they can decide if science is for them; don’t let them play sport, until they can choose which sport they want to do; don’t teach history in case they learn how people have killed each other, and might get the idea.
There is no difference between what you would do, and what the Taleban did by denying girls an education.
Because people actually speak different languages, science exists as does sport & history..
Nice try, stirrer; religions exist, as well, so why shouldn’t children be allowed to know about them?
Not mentioning god is NOT teaching atheism FFS, Here is it again in bold: Atheism is the default position, EVERYONE is born atheist until adults lie to them
Wrong, atheism is a disbelief in god, and it’s impossible to disbelieve something until you’re told about it. Everyone is born INNOCENT.
An absence of one thing doesn’t mean it must be something else. An absence of coconuts isn’t a Chevy any more than an absence of trees must mean you are in a desert.
And an absence of a cogent argument doesn’t make a statement true, either.
Would it help you if I typed slower or do you have a grown up nearby to explain words to you?
You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you?