But when you add in the 763 and 764 the numbers agin revert in Boeing’s favour.
Good to have you on board Sahaym.
I have personal connections with Zambia (my parents have lived there for donkeys, livin’ it up with the expat lifestyle) though I haven’t been there for nearly 2 years.
Most vivid recollection was a visit to the town of Mongu (hence my screen name!).
Maybe the author meant “smaller” rather than “small”. DFW is a smaller international gateway than JFK or MIA, even if it does compete well in pure pax terms.
Originally posted by dan330
A340-600
If I’m not mistaken the A340-600 compared to a 747 offers:
Vastly improved efficiency
More Cargo hold
More Range?
With slightly less passengersLooking at the aircraft, its still been very successful, is in operation with a lot of leading airlines and I’m sure if you took away the aircraft operated by the US carriers (who will always order Boeing) then I think you’ll find the numbers to be very similar.
Not sure on that Dan.
Firstly, I think a fair comparision would be A346 and B773. We should probably leave the 744 out of this.
Secondly, US carriers do buy Airbus. US Airways is a mega Airbus customer; United and Northwest both have large Airbus fleets. Smaller carriers like Frontier and America West do as well. Even American Airlines flies a large number of A300s. Crikey, even their B772s are powered by RR! Looking at that, I can’t detect any nationalistic preference for Boeing over Airbus.
Which is perhaps more than can be said for some European state controlled airlines!
Originally posted by Rabie
TTP – your accusations that it communism don’t work and show your understanding of china up a bit mate 😉 – they are communist in name only – they are really a dictatorship trying to keep order with no real political idea of where they are going. Your call for democracy is equally laughable as your own countrymen in their recent “nation building” exercise show us that true democracy is a bad thing and they won’t risk it
rabie 😉
Equally – practical communism is totally different from theoretical communism. Name me on country on Earth which ever implemented communism and ended up with anything other than a corrupt, brutal dictatorship.
Originally posted by Rabie
TTP – your accusations that it communism don’t work and show your understanding of china up a bit mate 😉 – they are communist in name only – they are really a dictatorship trying to keep order with no real political idea of where they are going. Your call for democracy is equally laughable as your own countrymen in their recent “nation building” exercise show us that true democracy is a bad thing and they won’t risk it
rabie 😉
Equally – practical communism is totally different from theoretical communism. Name me on country on Earth which ever implemented communism and ended up with anything other than a corrupt, brutal dictatorship.
I never would have guessed at Copenhagen, but it does look quite different and pleasant judging from the pic.
I could be boring and say Changi, but I’ll risk defeating the object by plumping for a former airport – Kai Tak.
I find the position of the two anti-7E7 directors illogical. Sure, cost cutting is crucial. But at the moment, I don’t believe they have even firmed up the design criteria for the 787. So it’s probably a bit premature to try and give concrete cost guidelines.
Was one of those guys names’ McDonnell? Anything to do with McD?
If so, I’d say he is hardly qualified to talk. McD shot themselves in the foot by not spending money developing new jets. They tried to improve the DC-10, and they lengthened the DC-9. End result: they got bought out by Boeing.
Does this new Boeing strategy look familiar??
Originally posted by dan330
OK, got to stick up for the A340 here, its the best plane I’e flown on!777-200 has already beaten A340-300
777-200LR beats A340-500
777-300ER beats A340-600Any figures to back this up? Everytime I visited the Airbus website it said the A340 was the best selling aircraft in its class.
Yes, don’t take any notice of the PR blurb. Look at actual orders:
A340 family: 313
B777 family: 618
Sources:
http://www.airbus.com/media/orders_n_deliveries.asp
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/displaystandardreport.cfm?optReportType=CurrentModels&cboCurrentModel=777&cboAllModel=&ViewReportF=View+Report
Wys, I don’t get your logic about 4 engines. In an engine-out scenario, your fave jet, the 146, suffers proportionately less loss of power than a CRJ or ERJ, yet I think you’d be the first to agree the latter types are more suitable for the majority of regional operations.
A bit like the runway in the Bond film, where 007 jumps off the cliff in the opening sequence and freefalls onto the aeroplane, gets inside and takes control!
Sahaym – you like Mosi? It’s a very good lager. I once had a bottle on an ATR-42 out of Livingstone, overflying the Vic Falls.
There seem to be 2 facitons here.
One set thinks we have the techology to create a new SST and one set thinks we do not.
I think we don’t have that technology yet. Can anyone seriously tell me that they think a new SST can be developed, which has the non-speed capabilities (range, fuel burn, capacity, noise) of a 767 or A330 whilst still costing no more to develop than any other new aircraft? If we had, why has no one developed it? They’d be trillionnaires over night!
Yes, but I think the thrust of my question was why did Airbus bother with the A340 and not just make a bigger A330?
When you think about it, that’s all the 777 is – something a bit bigger than an A330.
Also, the lack of performance seems a more serious issue than you lot give it credit for. You’d have to work the 4 engines really hard on some routes, which messes up their efficiency and increases maintainance costs. The spare power the 777 has is a big help there. I should also imagine, that in the case of SIA, a take off from SIN with a full load is quite demanding. How about ATC routings? I bet the 777 gets the best ones, because it can manouvre into them better.
Here’s one for Wys – does the 757 (an overpowered aircraft) get better ATC routings than other aircraft (like an A321) because of its power?
Absolutely, Airbus are throwing SIA out of the pram:
http://www.planebusiness.com/perspectives/p072899airbus.html
GD – did you just get back from the Caribbean?
I disagree with the notion that we have the tecnology to develop a new SST. We quite clearly are not that advanced just yet.
The aim is not to develop an airliner that flies fast. Whoopie doo – what’s the point of that? The aim is to combine speed with range, capacity, noise print and fuel efficiency in an aeroplane which can be manufactured for a similar cost to a 767 or A330.
In other words – same range, capacity and fuel burn as an A330 with hardly much more noise and for the same cost, maybe 10 or 15% more but that’s it. That is beyond aeronautical engineering as we know it.
Merely developing an SST, as Kabir asks, is pointless.
Also, the Sonic Cruiser is pointless. That’s why Boeing dropped it.