Completely forgot about this little baby.
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Good design for maximum forward visibility on a dual seater.
Yes, when I first read this post I thought that here we go with yet another guy trying to find a sophisticated way to get rid of his late mother-in-law.
One remark: Working titanium is what makes it expensive (machining, drilling etc…).
Titaium can be 3D printed now.
I love the Ares design
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARESFast, light, good range, big gun…
Make it unmanned, fly it in fast and hard and it will murder anything it hits.Today the RuAF hit some Syrian troops, and the coalition jets hit some Iraqi troops.
There was talk by DARPA of making the A-10 unmanned and infantry controlled.
Which would also allow you to remove a lot of the titanium, as well as the canopy.
I think that would hard to make it work for a high intensity conflict. The pilot can see the targets visually and quickly engage.
The ARES was a good design, but I would use more off boresight missiles to quickly engage targets.
So I could get 1 kg of titanium for just $7. Good to know. I think I’ll set up a home gym with titanium rods, plates, dumbbells, machines… the works. It’ll be really cool.
Unless, y’know… it was actually $7000/kg i.e. $7 mil/ton.
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/ferro-titanium/5-year/
https://www.reference.com/science/much-titanium-cost-per-pound-31584d4cff105cec
Changing the engine out does nothing to change the basic aerodynamics of the airplane, and adding weight only makes all performance parameters worse.
Shouldn’t having more thrust increase the STR? The more thrust you have the more you can sustain a turn at high Gs and the more lift the wings will generate during the turn.
What does that have to do with the fact that it is single or dual seater? And most aircraft out there are single seater and are being used to some degree for CAS.
It will have to be big enough to today’s moderm ATGMs and avionics. Also I doubt if such an aircraft in such a role would be a single seater – you need a second pair of eyes when flying close to the ground like that, and when you are searching for targets.
Then why would that kind of sensor be enough for ground launchers? And there is a very wide margin between ATGM LCU launchers and something like a targeting pod for aircraft. You can pick and chose from dozens of systems in between.
And why is the A-10 a single seater?
Very light anti-tank plane?
Cessna Caravan armed with Hellfire missiles, or else SAAB Gripen with Brimstone – another relatively light aircraft. In any case the attack aircraft will have to be a certain large size if its going to carry the necessary detection and targeting systems and the anti-tank missiles themselves.
It doesn’t have to be big. The ATGM systems use very light targeting systems for instance. The Javelin system has several zooms, up to 10 times or something like that, enough to ID the target at up to max range.
An aircraft using a TGT pod would have to search for a long time to find a target and engage, which would render it vulnerable to SAMs. There is also the problem of locking the missile on the target at long range.
For the light plane I am talking about, the pilot would see the target visually, it would be much faster, the EO system would only be for IDing the target from as far as possible to make sure it is not friendly.
You don’t need to make aircraft to make several passes. that’s the work of small UAVs to track. it’s all part of netcentric warfare.you have rocket pods and 30mm gun in combat helicopter. Atgm only for armour. use high altitude UAV to find vehicles and than surprise low altitude helicopter attack. mapad has very short range at low altitude.
Of course that kind of tactic could work. If the UAVs are able to survive this long and if the datalinks are not jammed.
highlighted for you the important bit.
as Iraq has found out, you lose the element of surprise the moment the first missile hits. therefore you need missiles which are both CHEAP and allow the pilot / operator to designate several targets and fire them ASYNCHRONOUSLY at multiple targets at the same time. Current EO/Laser targeting systems are mostly single channel… i.e. track first missile to target. then acquire next one after hit and track it etc… 40+ seconds between shots! madness.
so I would say the number one thing to do is to have a multi channel target tracking built into the airframe or somehow make your missiles fire and forget by building the sensors into the missile (added cost). With the advancement in new low cost thermal imager sensor and lower cost optics as well as “throwaway” priced commercial microprocessors it may be possible to achieve that… sometime quite soon.
?? I have said since the beginning that the main weapon should be fire and forget, and that the goal should be to fire one missile every 2 seconds. The EO system is cued to the helmet.
That doesn’t mean that the idea you describe could not be interesting for some platform. I had started a thread about that about 1 year ago.
Funny. Who invented those concepts? Is it an Aerospace engineer?
My point is that it is useless to carry so much, the aircraft will probably be shot down it it does passes after passes. Better to make just one pass to take the MANPADS operators by surprise, and find a way to shoot all the missiles in one salvo.
I am not talking about using a civilian helicopter for that. Build a really armored one ( around the cockpit at least ), make the frontal size as small as possible.
A-10 titanium bathtub:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/7/6073/6109946779_b0b3b0d9b6_b.jpg
I doubt it costs a lot to build that.
I think what you are talking about is a warmover of BAEs SABA concept.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread186160/pg1
One of the oft heard comments about the concept was the likely difficulty of getting pilots to fly a type with such a modest survival potential in such a high threat environment.
Better to put the unmanned sensors within ‘3000m’ of target and let them cue the bomb droppers from stand off.
The concept is not bad. Mine would be even smaller. The plane should have anti-helicopter capability thanks to the HMS. A dual role missile with a gimballed sensor is probably possible. Helicopters probably have a higher signature than a tank, so they could be engaged from further.
As for UCAVs, as I said before, easier said than done. Most armies would rather have a man in the loop, especially this close to friendly troops.
there’s that iranian single seat helo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_285but surely in today’s world you’d go for a UCAV armed with some ATGMs.
Easier said than done. You’d need to have the ability to fly extremely low, and also a pilot can quickly acquire the targets for the missiles thanks to the helmet. When the helicopter launches, it is likely to be quickly detected, so you have to launch the missiles as fast as possible. And there is no concern with the datalink.
your idea has not practical relevance. light aircraft with pilot?. it will need very high reliable engine and high quality construction to deal with stress of high sorties rates in middle of war. even UCAV that barely carry 2 or 4 weight anti tank weopons cost $50 to $100m and they are not that reliable or high mission rates and need long runways.
I am not taking about UCAVs. And no a predator costs far less than that.
Check what the A-129 carries, 2x500lbs bombs+ missiles. A smaller plane could carry 6 light Javelins. Each javelin weighs about 25lbs.