IMHO the smartest thing that NG could do is work with BAE & LM to borrow as much of the avionics from the F-35 as possible.
Overview
–They (NG) already own the CNI (communication package & MADL), APG-81 & EODAS, so that’s a no-brainer
–They could split the cost of the EOTS upgrade with LM
–Since they have already worked with BAE on the ESM to APG-81 integration, that is also a no-brainer
–L-3 Communications for the ICP & Cockpit display.
–No need for the the F-35’s HMDS, a simpler (and lighter) HMD should be fine but the F-35’s HMDS could still be used.
–Depending on the requirements, the F135 might also fit the spec and would lend itself to future ADVENT/AETD upgrades
–UAI, coming in F-35 Block 4, would allow for faster & cheaper weapons integration for LRS-BHow It Works
–The software in the F-35 has been designed from the ground up to be upgradeable (software & hardware)
–Generic backend ICP. There is no need for specialized processors as it’s all software driven.
–Middleware allows you change hardware (new displays, engines, radars, etc) without the need to recode large amounts of the program.
–The F-35’s modular avionics lends itself to adding/removing functionality as needed.
–Thanks to the above, individual items (radar, ESM, etc) lend themselves to scalability without the need to recode large parts of the software.Case Examples
–If you want a larger display, rotate the 8×10 panels and add another one. New display is 10×24 (vs original 8×20)using the existing hardware.
–You can make the AESA array & ESM receivers larger for more sensitivity while keeping the backend processing engine.Benefits
–Much shorter development time for LRS-B
–Much cheaper development cost for LRS-B
–Cheaper procurement, maintenance, and future upgrades for BOTH the LRS-B and the F-35.
Regarding an EO system, the LRS-B will certainly need one, whether it is the F-35’s EOTS on not. But concerning the capability of finding moving targets on the ground, isn’t the philosophy of using only one EOTS manually used by one pilot not outdated.
I imagine that now with today’s processing power, it would be possible to process a video in RT. A plane could have several EOTS, each searching for its own target automatically with target recognition software. Using the radar to find targets is likely to betray the position of the plane.
For instance, to search mobile launchers, each EO system would look at one road. The map with all the roads would be stored in a database so the software knows exaclty where to orient each EO system. Other search patterns could be used, like each EO system searching in its own search zone.
With that kind of capability the LRS-B would find much more targets on the ground and would have a higher probability at using its large number of bombs per sortie.
If each EO system costs 2-3 million, integrating around 8 systems would cost only 20 million, which is a tiny fraction of the cost of the plane. Multiple EO systems would also enable to engage several targets simultaneously with cheap LG weapons, the LSDB1 for instance.
Regarding the helmet, if the LRS-B has the DAS, it’s probably worth it to give it the Gen III helmet. The pilot would not have much visiliblity in his cockpit, so the helmet would give it the capability to see through the airframe. 400k is negligeable compared to the cost of the plane. If the helmet is too heavy for a long flight, I guess they can put on their Gen III helmet only when needed, the rest of the time they can use a regular helmet.
The LRS-B ultimately will have the ability to be unmanned, so here also there might be some technology transfer with the UCLASS. The UCLASS will get that technology first.
Any partner for the LRS-B would come in with industrial expereice to economically produce sections of the aircraft. I doubt they’ll try to rope in a Lockheed or Boeing to do the software when they most likely have a solid design team in home that has been working on the PDR for over 2 years now. They would in my opinion need help in industrial production and from a political angle it does make sense to have someone else on your side as you move from design to actual procurement.
Maybe they’ll reuse part of their software on the UCLASS if they get the contract, which seems likely.
Will NG now be interesting in partnering with LM, and also to use its experience in sensor fusion, software, possibly to integrate the EOTS, etc… ? Redevelopping the same kind of software with the same level of sophistication would be a significant risk for the program in terms of cost and development time.
Maybe they keep them ready because the F-35 has been delayed. Also the number of F-22s is low and the F-22 cannot drop 2000lbs LBGs to destroy hard targets.
I know that the F-35 development is slow and painful, to not say exasperating…
The block 3I should have a very powerfull computer. It should be well enough for what I describe. What really takes the most computer power is the fusion, the target recognition with the mission data files, etc. After that creating a target list with a bunch of parameters for prioritization of targets, and sending the order to fire the SAMs seems pretty straightforward.
The F-35 could attack many targets at the same time with several missiles per target. I don’t know what the max could be but probably more than 10.
Lol, the does the Keywords “software” and “Integration” mean anything to you hotshot?
There exist report allready that the HOBS and Helmet integration on F-35 is not up for the task.
Like i said we are still a long way from your Automation of system.Really.. its still an concept at this stage. And the F-35 is its demonstrator.
I don’t see why the software could not build his own target list automatically. It would have the list of launchers and missiles in the database. It would calculate the time to target of the missiles to optimize the which launcher should launch against each target. After that it’s a question of datalink and automation on the SAM side to launch automatically when the order is received.
Not sure it is impossible.
I don’t know if you’re familiar with the concept of technological singularity. Some people are scared. 🙂
All this capability, might sound nice and dandy.
But if you ask me, “information overload” for a singel pilot.
Hense you would need a two crew jet for this kind of work.We are far away from what Hotshot discribe above.
Depends on the level of automation of the system. It could be done almost all automatically by software.
The PAC-3 doesn’t have that much range. The PAC-3 SME is said to have 35km range against ballistic missiles according to wikipedia. Don’t know what kind of range it would have against a tactical plane, but it’s a bit short. I guess 100km range would be pretty good but not many western missiles have that kind of range.
It would be good if the pilot could see the SAMs on his screen with the time to target etc. The more automatic and transparent it is the more various the tactics could be.
The Mica-IR had the same “lock-on after launch” capability than the EM, for long range shot there is 2 modes, one with datalink from the plane and one fire and forget, the position of the target is downloaded in the missile before launch, the missile use an inertial guidance and the IR/EM seeker is used only for terminal guidance.
I am just not sure the IR seeker would be as good at finding the target in the same volume. I don’t remember very well but I believe they had tried the ASRAAM for BVR ( the ASRAAM has no datalink ) and the result were poor. Not sure however.
I believe the fire and forget mode is better for short BVR and near BVR otherwise the pk is not too good. I think that’s why they put a datalink on the AIM-9X block II, otherwise they would just launch the block I in fire and forget.
That kind of capability may already exist. Like the AMRAAM can supposedly be guided by an offboard sensor. That kind of capability might be classified.
It would be great if the fighter pilot could use the SAMs as if it were his own missiles. And he would even keep his own AMRAAMs for self defense in case the bad guys get too close or the SAMs launchers are too far. By doing so he can remain as stealthy as possible.
The MICA-IR probably needs tighter target coordinates that the MICA-EM because the radar has a larger search volume. The rafale can’t just launch it and escape right after. I think it’s an advantage of radar guided BVR missiles.
This is already being done.
http://defensetech.org/2015/01/22/navy-to-integrate-f-35-with-beyond-the-horizon-technology/
Maybe most of the subsystems ( gateways, etc… ) maybe already exist to make it work with army medium/long range SAMs. What’s needed is the software to control the virtual payload. I guess it might be possible to have a standard software interface for any virtual payload. Whether the virtual payload is on another plane, a SAM launcher or even a MLRS launcher ( for surface launched SDBs ), it is transparent. The pilot sees on his display what the launcher has available, the missiles status etc…
Maybe even LM could integrate its MEADS with the F-35s, that would be a good combo.
In defensive air to air, an enemy strike package would be attacked twice with the SAM launchers, once when it is on his ingress way, once when it is on its egress way. In the second case, the F-35s chases the enemy planes like 100km behind to avoid a counter attack, and orders the SAMs to fire when the enemy planes are in range of the launchers.