i would love to know the date it was taken ?????
Does this Andy Thomas have a site or email ??????
IIRC Andy didn’t know the date it was taken.
The photo mentioned by TonyT and the 3W-D part enlarged.
Slight misspelling(s): it was BK156 (and the navigator, P/O Juliusz Zywicki P-2535, has drowned).
BK516 (BH-K), No. 300 Sqn, was lost with the entire crew on the night of 13 March 1943 on a Gardening mission to St Nazaire.
322 Sqn Spitfire XIV with 3W codes.
Photo from Harry van der Meer collection
Sorry for the delayed answer – no access to the web during Christmas time.
I am suprised by the amount of doubt over a thing that seemed to me to be pretty easy to check. I am quite positive that a quick glance in any book on Dutch Spitfires by Harry van der Meer will produce a photo of a 3W-coded Mk XIV. I have a scan of one such photo at home and will try to post it here later.
I am also suprised that noone seems to be looking for a single photo of a VL-coded Mk IX, as if that was a foregone conslusion. To me it seems that one guy has made the mistake years ago, linking this code with Mk IXs of the unit, and since then many authors, rather than check themselves, have copied and spread this incorrect information (this also applies to the website).
According to eyewitness reports confirmed (indirectly) by paperwork, 322 Sqn Mk IXs were coded 3W from the very first days of their service with the unit in August 1944.
Why do you say ‘Must have been 3W-P’? Without a photo, there is no reason why that has to be the case. It is very possible that the squadron codes were not changed on this aircraft – just because an order is given, the opportunity to actually get the paintbushes out might not happen for days or even weeks afterwards.
Very intersting theory but not in this case. The code was changed while the unit was still flying Mk XIVs (photos prove that). When they exchanged those for Mk IXs why would anyone apply wrong (old) codes on a newly received machine?
See a Spitfire in Poland again. Preferably see it in nice company.
Come to Legens again. Preferably… etc.
Spend a lot of time over THE BOOK. This I can do alone.
Any idea of the period he flew the Spitfire? I have some photos of No. 130 Sqn Spitfire VB’s taken at RAF Ballyhalbert in Northern Ireland in 1943. I’m not sure if PJ-K is one of them, but will check.
Thanks!
I have e-mailed him immediately.
Does Katharine Hepburn’s appearance in the RKO film “SPITFIRE” released in 1934 count? No actual Spitfire flies in the film (well, none had flown at the time) but the title may well have contributed to the name being given to the fighter not long afterwards.
[QUOTE=’568 crew;1647976]The Way to The Stars: Avro Anson, Bristol Blenhiem, Douglas Boston, Boeing B-17G’s. [/QUOTE]
Also Hurricanes and Boeing B-17Fs, I think.
Where Eagles Dare 1968,
Ju-52 HB-HOT / A702 ‘CN+4V’
Bell 47 dressed in gaffer tape as early German machine
And T-6s rammed by the bus.
Suffice to say that there were a good many more “friendly fire” episodes over that period that one might imagine.
This is easy to imagine, if only from the fact that extensive quick recognition markings were hastily introduced in the Fighter Command in late 1940.
Numbers or proportions?If you took one-hundred British armament workers and one-hundred Bomber Command aircrew in the middle of 1943 and then went back to see how many were still alive a year later I know which group Iād pick…..bad wages or not!
Of course. But if you took 100 Londoners and 100 Bomber Command ground crew in September 1940 or, for the other side, 100 civilians in Hamburg and 100 German soldiers on the Atlantic Wall in the middle of 1943, I bet you wouldn’t pick the civilian option. We can play finding similar comparisons: either those where it was better to be civilian or those where it was better to be military, but the point is that it is a gross exagerration to say that in WW2 being a civilian was generally and universally less risky than being a military. In some periods and areas it was, in others it wasn’t.
IIRC there were references to strikes at CBAF in C.R. Russell’s ‘Spitfire Odyssey’.
And in Mike Crossley’s “They Gave Me A Seafire” there are interesting comparisons of service terms between career Royal Navy personnel and those transferred from the merchant navy.
tradationally, if you go to war as say an airman or sailor, there is a fair risk that you will be killed.
Civilians on the other hand, trundle off to work each day and those same pressures don’t apply, there is the fair and reasonable expectation that each day you would return home safely.
You might find it edifying to compare the numbers of civilian and military casualties in WW2 (well, with the exception of your own country and America). Unless, of course, you just wanted to say that airmen and sailors were (are) usually killed away from home, while civilians were (are) mostly killed at home or close to it.
Mark -According to some I work with the world is ending in 2012 so I wouldnt worry about keeping it updated for too long
Is that before or after the Olympic Games??
Olympics? I thought he meant the European Cup in Poland/Ukraine.