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  • in reply to: Looking for WW2 Spitfires #1269813
    VoyTech
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    My father-in-law, F/O Paley, flew for the Polish Airforce in the UK. I am trying to find out about a number of different Spitfires that he flew.
    On the 8th & 15th of November 1941 we have records of him flying No: P3941, then later in 1941 P3798.
    He was the pilot that bailed out of BL585 on 13-02-1942 while in the 308 squadron.
    12-04-1944, flying a Spitfire Mk V; W3954, he had a forced landing due to a fuel failure and put the plane down in a field while on a flight from York to Cranfield? It may be that the field was near Market Harborough.
    08-06-1944 he was shot down over Normandy and was taken as a POW near Tessy sur Vire, France
    Any further information would be greatly appreciated
    etsah57

    On 11 July 1941 P/O Paley had a landing accident in P8579 RF-V in 303 Sqn (accident report said: “unable to retract u/c on t/o, overshot landing, flaps failed, no blame on pilot”).
    In my notes I have him also flying R6773 RF-P and X4411 RF-R in the same unit.
    Those 1941 ones were W3941 and W3798, respectively (P3941 and P3798 were no Spitfires).
    On 20 September 1941 he was forced to land W3941 at another airfield while returning to Northolt from Circus 100.
    He flew W3798 on 24 October 1941, and on 15 November this Spitfire was flown by F/Lt Poplawski when it suffered cat. B damage at Northolt upon return from Ramrod 10.
    On 25 July 1943 he flew BL406 when, in the words of the ORB ‘because of a defect in the drop tanks had to land immediately after taking off’.
    In 308 he also flew AB273 and BL525.
    The location of his crash landing in W3954 was quoted as C0CK ABINGDON FARM, although the accident report said that he collided with some cows on the ground.
    On 8 June 1944 his aircraft was ML310 JH-J.
    I presume you don’t have access to his personal flying log book? His operations flying log for 308 and 317 Sqns can be assembled from ORB entries, although for 1944 these will include code letters rather than serials.
    For the period he spent with 303 in 1941 a complete list of all his flights, both operational and non-operational can be found in the ORB.

    in reply to: 'Angels One Five' – The final confirmation that… #1276064
    VoyTech
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    A chance to inspect the film stock under a glass

    Sounds exciting. Any idea where I could inspect the film stock of ‘Dangerous Moonlight’ or ‘Eagle Squadron’?

    in reply to: Spitfire X4492 #1287888
    VoyTech
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    Based my RAF movements on the records – however with my exp. over the years these cannot always be trusted. Then again if the RAF converted the aircraft by simply changing the engine etc – why would they write this on the card.
    R7143, X4555, and X4492 movement cards are a nightmare to read and there is handwritten revisions all over them. If you guys can make better sense of them drop me a line. Here is a scan of her movement card.

    Believe me, many movement cards are a nightmare to read, these three are not that special in this.
    Yes, at the top of the card you have:
    IPR (‘Mark I PR’, which it was in the early PRU nomenclature, being a PR conversion of Mark I fighter; individual variants of these Mk I PR conversions were designated by letters, X4492 was a type F)
    MK VI (‘Mark VI’, which it was – but not the Mk VI fighter! – when the initial letter designations were replaced by equivalent letters, when type C became PR.III, type D PR.IV and type F PR.VI, for example)
    VA (‘Mark VA’, which it wasn’t because it did not have the ‘A’ wing with machine guns when it was fitted with the Merlin 45; this note seems to be crossed with a zigzag in the same colour as the ‘Mk VI’ beside, perhaps this was a correction applied in red?)
    PRIV W TYPE (‘PR.IV’, which it wasn’t because type D/PR.IV had the ‘wet wing’ design which was never fitted to X4492; ‘W type’ referred to camera layout in th fuselage, this also seems to be crossed out)
    VPR (‘Mark V PR’, which it was in the early PRU nomenclature the moment it was re-engined with Merlin 45, essentialy becoming a PR conversion of the Mark V rather than Mark I)
    MARKPR7 (‘Mark PR.VII’, which it wasn’t because type G/PR.VII was armed and had armoured windscreen – see R7143 and X4555)
    It was a ‘PR.I type F’ conversion of Mark I fighter in 1940, the ‘F’ identifying the variant which featured cameras in rear fuselage and two large fuel tanks in/under wings (you can see the tear-drop shaped fairing under the wing in the photo provided by Mark 12).
    Then it was re-engined with Merlin 45 (Rolls-Royce 18.4.41), becoming ‘PR.V type F’.
    Then, with the changed designation system it became PR.VI.

    The entries in the Movement Card seem to be as follows:
    14.11.40 PRU [delivered as PR.I type F]
    18.4.41 Rolls-Royce [converted to PR.V type F by fitting Merlin 45]
    29.4.41 1 PRU [delivered as PR.V type F]
    15.11.41 8 MU [probably handed over from 1 PRU as the latter converted to PR.IVs as the time]
    12.2.42 140 Sqn [by then probably re-designated PR.VI]
    22.4.42 cat. B
    20.6.42 ?
    21.6.42 9 MU
    no date 140 Sqn
    27.7.42 12 MU
    29.10.42 Stn Benson
    5.12.42 47 MU
    9.1.43 Manchester
    16.1.43 ss “Manchester Progress” Canada
    ?.?.43 Arr. Canada

    I am not sure where your other conversion dates came from but converting an early PR Mk I conversion (as delivered in 1940) into a PR.IV, then a Mk VA, then PR.VII, then PR.VI was simply not feasible in engineering terms. And there were no PR.IVs before late 1941 anyway.
    Also, you mention a ‘Merlin XIV’. Was there ever such an engine? Not in Spitfires. This must be Merlin XLV, as Merlin 45 was often labelled at the time when Roman numerals still prevailed.

    in reply to: Spitfire X4492 #1289109
    VoyTech
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    walshlee and Mark,
    To my knowledge X4492 was never a PR.III, PR.IV or Mk Va. It was never finished in light colors (particularly not in pink) or coded ‘DP’.
    It was a PR type F aka PR.VI.
    There is some info on it (although far less than walshlee has quoted) in that Merlin PR Spitfire book that Mark has once mentioned in a diffrent thread, including description of what a PR type F was and (IIRC) an account of a guy who flew X4492 in Canada.

    in reply to: Booker Spitfire Mk.1 AR213 G-AIST (merged) #1243324
    VoyTech
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    This is basically CBAF built Mk.V standard.

    More like Supermarine built Mk V, I’d say.

    in reply to: One for the 'Roundel Police' #1244076
    VoyTech
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    The Roundel is RAF, but why on the rudder rather than the fuselage?

    Applied on top of a swastika?

    in reply to: Help identifying this pic #1245607
    VoyTech
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    I cannot comment on the location, but they don’t seem to have the ‘e’ armament.

    in reply to: What happens after ZZ999? #1250493
    VoyTech
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    Perhaps they could go back and start using those leftover gaps introduced in serial batches in WWII.

    Whoever designs/decides I hope it’s not the same person that introduced the new UK car registration numbering system :confused: 😀

    Do you realise you may have just suggested MoD a solution?

    in reply to: Spitfire Reference Material #1267512
    VoyTech
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    The Polish 303 Sqn also applied the white stripe on their Spitfir Vs during Spartan.

    R7143 was a photo-reconaissance Spitfire. There’s a book that discusses it. Mark12 mentioned it in the post 17 here:
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=71876

    ES278 was a Mk V. A photo can be found in the post 15 of this excellent thread:
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27828

    in reply to: No BBMF Spitfire or Hurricane flying any more, they said… #1271240
    VoyTech
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    And this is the picture.

    in reply to: ID this Spit? (2004 Zombie!) #1271252
    VoyTech
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    No worries VoyTech, happy to post them!:D

    Thanks.
    Here is a better copy of the 4D-V shot. Original picture from Douglas Tidy, I got the scan of it via a friend.

    in reply to: ID this Spit? (2004 Zombie!) #1272426
    VoyTech
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    Here’s the others that I have.

    Alan, thanks for the wonderful images!

    Anyone have any knowledge on both the reason for the sheild with the letter code in it?
    Or the colour?

    That’s interesting. I have seen similar application of the aircraft letter on a shield on Polish Spitfires, and that was solely on Mk XVIs post-war in Germany. Perhaps some local fashion? Anyway, this may have dated back to TB675’s service with No. 74.

    You can plainly see where the yellow roundel has been oversprayed here.

    Was there a reason for over-spraying here? – it was not uncommon for the Yellow paint to fail in this area giving the impression that it had been over-sprayed. Any paint spraying was likely to be confined to the rear fuselage to obliterate the 18″ tail -band as has clearly happened. The fuselage roundels were retained as they were with the wing roundels being modified to C1 type.

    Mark, I think Alan may have referred to the portion of the yellow outline where it has been partly oversprayed while overpainting the previous codes.

    in reply to: ID this Spit? (2004 Zombie!) #1273249
    VoyTech
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    Yep. TB675:D

    TB675? Used by No. 74 Sqn before No. 485, and coded 4D-V.
    Now, have we not seen those codes somewhere quite recently, Fluffy?
    That would make two survivors painted to masquerade as one and the same original Spitfire, albeit in two different liveries!

    in reply to: Help me please. 308 Sqdn info #1278884
    VoyTech
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    Spitfire IX & XVI of Polish Airmen. Wojtek Matusiak.Mirage Publications. Mostly Polish text but has English summaries and captions.

    The book is entirely bilingual.

    in reply to: Booker Spitfire Mk.1 AR213 G-AIST (merged) #1279994
    VoyTech
    Participant

    the tank cover ‘window’ is to assist in aligning the ‘firewall’ cover forward of the instrument panel, it’s still a swine though 😡 IIRC I’ve seen a few pics of various marks with similar windows.

    Thanks a lot, Tom. I’ve seen this window on many late Mk Is and on Mk IIs, possibly on early Mk Vs as well. Would you mind giving a bit more of an explanation how this window is used?
    Mark, the PR(?) Spitfire you mentioned had an armoured windscreen, so it was certainly not a PR.IV. It may have been a regular Mk I used by the PRU, though.

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