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  • in reply to: Hurricane's claims to fame #1288381
    VoyTech
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    Of course it also depends on the definition of “fought” one wants to use. (Unarmed) PR Spitfires were certainly front line aircraft, no question, but without guns or bombs, they aren’t a) fighters or b) capable of ‘fighting’.

    Funny you should say that. A certain Commonwealth ace scored one of his first victories (or maybe the very first) when he forced an enemy bomber to ditch while he was flying an unarmed PR Spitfire. Definitely capable of fighting.
    What is your definition of ‘fought’? Is it only when you actually shoot at the enemy or drop bombs at them? I would tend to accept the official definition of a combat sortie for military statistics purposes which said something about ‘flying on a military mission over hostile territory, or engaging hostile air or land forces over non-hostile territory’. Unarmed PR aircraft certainly flew over hostile territory and were shot at.

    in reply to: Hurricane's claims to fame #1288420
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    There were no Spitfires at the fall of Singapore and Malaya, were there But there were Hurricanes.

    True. On the other hand, there were Spitfires and Seafires at the liberation of Singapore and Malaya, but were there any Hurricanes? Are these two different theatres or fronts?
    It is not difficult to find instances where at a particular moment in time there were no Spitfires, but there were Hurricanes, or the opposite. The question, I think, is how you define ‘front’ and ‘theatre’ when thinking of this quote.

    Did Hurricanes ever do bomber escort for Bomber Command into France, etc, like Spitfires did? I’ve never seen photos or read of Hurricanes doing this.

    Yes, they did, at least until July 1941. With some success even.

    Don’t forget the Hurricanes made good night fighters too. Another area they did well where some other fighters failed.

    Now, here we come to the question wether anyone can reasonably say that any single-seat radarless aeroplane ‘made a good night fighter’ in WWII.

    in reply to: Hurricane's claims to fame #1288432
    VoyTech
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    Coming back to the original quote: “fought on more fronts, in more countries and in more theatres than any other fighter in history” it would be interesting to see a list of the fronts, countries, and theatres where the Hurricane fought and the Spitfire did not.
    The British-Italian front in East Africa comes to my mind, the countries of Belgium, Finland and Yugoslavia (assuming we speak of a country’s air force, and not a country’s territory), but I can’t see any theatres.

    in reply to: Hurricane's claims to fame #1288546
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    Some Spitfires (mainly MkIXs I believe) were sent to Russia but they were not popular

    This is a popular statement from Soviet publications (imperialist product officially popular in that country?), but I guess that Soviet Spitfire pilots might argue with that.

    No Spitfires fought in the Battle of France proper,

    Spitfire fighters, you meant? PR Spitfires were very busy in both the phoney War and the Battle of France proper, from Belgium in the North, down to the Mediterranean.

    in reply to: Sergeant Pilot died in "Beat Up" #1288550
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    There are two cases there that could possibly link with this story, as Czech NCO pilots were killed in accidents caused by ‘unauthorised low level aerobatics’. Oddly, both were in 32 Sqn RAF:
    Sgt Vaclav Skrivanek in V6988 at Bournemouth on 21.2.41
    Sgt Vladimir Kyselo in V7057 at Ibsley on 9.3.41

    Over to Hurricane of Czechoslovak AF experts.

    in reply to: Sergeant Pilot died in "Beat Up" #1288552
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    There is also a Czech book published recently, which lists all the incidents and accidents involving personnel of the Czechoslovak Air Force in Britain where aircraft were damaged/destroyed and/or personnel injured/wounded/killed.

    in reply to: Sergeant Pilot died in "Beat Up" #1288553
    VoyTech
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    I happened to be a member of the team that did the book, and was mostly responsible for Polish fighter losses.
    When I said, in short, that there was no such fatality in the Polish Air Force in 1941-1942, I meant that of all the Polish non-commissioned officers killed in Hurricanes in Britain during 1941-42 nine were lost in sea, one flew into high ground, one was a victim of a mid-air explosion on a ferry flight, and one dived into ground from high altitude (probably oxygen failure).

    in reply to: Sergeant Pilot died in "Beat Up" #1288554
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    I hope you will excuse me, gentlemen, if I go back to the topic.

    Because something’s not documented doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    Of course, nothing is impossible, but some things are less probable than other.
    Incidentally, a book has just been published that lists all fatalities (over 2,000) of the Polish Air Force in WWII. The book is pretty comprehensive (ca. 600 pages A4 size) and provides info on circumstances of all the losses.

    in reply to: Sergeant Pilot died in "Beat Up" #1290626
    VoyTech
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    There was no such fatality in the Polish Air Force in 1941-1942. Anyway, why would sergeants be furious that they were not allowed entry into the Officer’s Mess.

    in reply to: Warsaw Military museum – Mig, Antonov, Mil.. #1316780
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    A mate showed me some photos of this place that he took on a visit to Poland a couple of weeks back this morning (Brought them in to work for me to drool over), from what I saw of them, that place has some very interesting bits and pieces including a number of SAM systems (with Launchers and Radars) and even a Spitfire in RAF (Polish) markings.

    To my knowledge they have not had a Spitfire there in the last 50 years. Which is a shame, as there used to be two there, but both were scrapped in early 1950s as ‘examples of imperialist technology’.

    It is not advertised at all 🙁
    I found it, by just passing by.
    Easy to find anyway, very close to one the big bridges crossing the river, I think the most southern one. I can point it on a map if you want.

    No, it is not the most southern one. The Museum (Muzeum Wojska Polskiego in Polish, pronounced “Moozeoom Voyska Polskyego”) is located near the Poniatowski Bridge. I am sure every Warsawer would be able to tell you were the MWP is. It is right next to the National Museum for better identification.

    in reply to: Help me please. 308 Sqdn info #1316941
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    Have you tried this address?
    http://www.geocities.com/skrzydla/

    in reply to: Spitfire adverts #1327780
    VoyTech
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    I’ve always liked the idea of ordering a pint of ‘Thunderbolt’!

    A jug would be more appropriate than a pint.

    in reply to: Ray Hanna's Film & TV Credits #1329363
    VoyTech
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    Too much of a coincidence to be anyone else thought unless the compiler messed it up already.

    A quick google search produced a reference to an aviation-related Raymong G. Hanna here, complete with his e-mail address:
    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/lgb/media/Employee%20Directory.pdf

    in reply to: Liverpool (Speke) Airport during/after WWII #1260410
    VoyTech
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    I keep finding references telling me that RAF Speke played a busy role during WWII, but I can’t seem to find out what it did or who was based there.
    If anyone has any info, anecdotes, photo’s or whatever – I’d be delighted to see/hear them.

    Check this:
    http://www.south-lancs-aviation.bravepages.com/history_of_speke_airport.htm
    A number of Polish fighter squadrons were based there during 1940-1941.
    308 was formed at Speke in September 1940.
    In 1941 Speke was a ‘rest & replenish’ base for Polish units that had their forward combat base at Northolt. 315 on Hurricanes was based at Speke from March till July 1941. In July it went to Northolt, replaced at Speke by 303, which in turn traded places with 306 in October. 306 moved out in December. Throughout their time there, their main role was (apart from operational training) to provide convoy escort for shipping to and from Liverpool.
    There are some photos from Speke in the 315 Sqn MMP book that JDK would like me to mention here.

    in reply to: Spitfire PR.IV BP929 rebuild? #1292666
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    I can’t find any ready reference elsewhere to BP929 having been in Soviet service.

    Is this serial not mentioned in ‘Spitfire International’?

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