Y’know if as much effort had gone into identifying a location that is plausible or a list of losses for that period as has gone into asking questions about the gun and the flap settings we could have cracked this by now!
Without all those gun and flap questions this post may well have fallen into oblivion before anyone ever got to the main topic, and nobody would bother with it. If you know how to solve your problem, you don’t need help. If you’ve asked for help, don’t tell people how they should or should not do so. Perhaps a question that looks silly to you will provide a clue to somebody else.
the engraved information is exactly as stated in the first post. It is hard to read but can be made out. Some of it is visible in the side-on photo.
Fine to know you are sure of what you say. However, hard to read but can be made out doesn’t necessarily fit with exactly as stated. Would it hurt if you let anybody else have a look at it?
Just had a thought.
There is no actual reason to assume it had ANY flap. After all, the guy in question was not, to my knowledge, a pilot and could have been referring to 15-20 degrees of bank angle caused by those flappy things on the ends of the wings.
It is not wise to assume anything in a case like this.
M
Perhaps he meant that the ‘Heinkel’ was flying at 15-20 (feet? meters?) with the flaps down?
Perhaps ’17 rounds’ referred to the number of circles the ‘Heinkel’ had done over the troops?
Perhaps you could show us photos of the rest of the original engraved info?
Surely it can’t be THAT bad!!
It’s probably even worse.
One thing that puzzles me here is the note about flaps. Does it mean that the flaps on the German aeroplane were 15-20 degrees down? If the shooter was on the ground, firing at an aeroplane approaching him head on: how did he know the flaps were 15-20 down? If an aeroplane is flying towards you, you can probably tell if the flaps are extended, or not, but how do you judge it with such accuracy?
And, if it is an enemy aeroplane that you shoot at (and presumably it is likely to shoot back), why do you consider it so important as to mark it on the trophy? You do not engrave any data on the speed, or if the nose gunner was firing, or anything. But you want next generations to know that the German had his flaps 15-20 degrees down.
Am I missing something?
VoyTech, is Teofil Szymankiewicz the Szymankiewicz who was killed in a 316 Sqn Mustang in early 1945 ?
Yes.
Is the Mig 29 historic?
If you think so you might like to look at this press report just in from the Czech republic.
The video therein shows a engine failure during a display with textbook handling. Non fatal.
Mark
http://www.press.sk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=295&Itemid
1) MiG-29 definitely is historic in the Czech Republic, as they don’t have any since the end of the last century.
2) The report was from Slovakia (if you read it carefully, you will realise it is in Slovak, not in Czech ;)).
3) IIRC there was a very widely covered accident of engine failure at low level, ending with a safe pilot ejection, during the Paris Air Show in 1989, which gives the type a nice continuous record of 16 years.
There was the infamous accident at RIAT about 10 years ago when one Mig 29 sliced through the other.
Probably the most impressive stunt in the history of RIAT, wasn’t it?
BTW, Poland has recently acquired all the ex-German MiG-29s. Apparently, the contract provides for at least five of these to be handed back to the Germans for static display purposes once they end their service in Poland. This resulted in comments here that the Polish AF is flying fighter aircraft on loan from German museums…
if you are ever in leicester there is a display at all saints school wigston of a polish lancaster that crashed post war after being hit by lightening.i cant remember the crew details but it was on a cross country flight from faldingworth.it is only a small display but could be of interest
4 February 1946
Lancaster I PA269 BH-U of 300 Sqn
Pil. W/Cdr Romuald Sulinski 76647
Nav F/O Wladyslaw Ryszard Jedrzejczyk P-2516
BA W/O Michal Szwandt 794532
WOp/AG W/O Waclaw Brzezinski 793023
FE F/Sgt Feliks Mikula 783490
AG F/O Czeslaw Kazimierz Sulgut P-2930
all killed
Another photo © Mr Kubala, showing the Officers’ Mess building a couple of years ago. And a group of Polish pilots relaxing in front of the same building in 1942, seated, left to right: Wladyslaw Walendowski, Pawel Niemiec, Marian Trzebinski, Stanislaw Bochniak. standing: Teofil Szymankiewicz.
The hangars, as seen from in front of the Officers’ Mess (note the tennis court in the foreground, where a car park is now), and today (a bit closer, another photo © K. Kubala).
It took us five years to finish the investigation of a 300 sqn Lancaster. But we were successful in giving five former missing Polish aircrew a deserving burial at Breda, and they are no longer missing.
Yes, that was a great thing you have done!
skypilot62, some shots inside Northolt, then and now, for you.
First, the Station HQ in 1944, prior to a decoration ceremony (from the collection of Edward Jaworski who was with 317 Sqn at the time), and a couple of years ago (photo © Krzysztof Kubala).
(wasn’t the photographer of the 222 Sqn pics CEB, VoyTech?)
Haven’t we had that in another thread, long time ago? RAF Museum Hendon has the copyrights for all CEB photos. Their CEB collection includes a sequence of 222 Sqn Mk VB photos.
Other photos (which may well have been taken during the same session) are held at the IWM. IIRC they are from “an unknown photographer”.
Yes, to get back on topic:
Both IWM and RAF Museum Hendon archives have a nice selection of WW2 colour photographs. Some of these have been published ebfore, some have not. I do recall a sequence of 222 Sqn Mk V photos (some of these are at Hendon, some at the IWM).
I seem to recall that Mark12 had some stills from WW2 era colour film footage of Spitfire VIIIs and IXs. I am quite sure some of these were in pretty dismantled condition, with the engine cowlings removed. I don’t recall any cockpit shots, but there were certainly scenes with armourers at work.
Regarding WW2 Spitfire cockpits in colour, we had a thread on that some months ago. It shouldn’t be impossible to locate it.
I was going to paint it flourescent orange just to annoy you! 😉
Just to annoy you:
Why should anybody care about the colour if it is not a real Spitfire?
Miroslav (sic) Feric who was killed in a Spit at Northolt in 1942.
Miroslaw (spelling!) Feric (right) and Jan Zumbach (left) during 1940. Unfortunately, I don’t know the name of the one in the middle…
And the wreck of the Spitfire VB BL432 RF-K in which Feric was killed on 14 February 1942.
I also got permission from Northolt guardroom to take a picture of the main gate but sadly nothing inside the station.
Probably same gate, over 60 years before: Gen. Kazimierz Sosnkowski, C-in-C Polish Armed Forces, arriving at Northolt in 1943. The officer at right is W/Cdr Aleksander Gabszewicz, W/Cdr Flying RAF Northolt, in the middle is G/Cpt Mieczyslaw Mümler, Polish Station Commander.
There was a proposal to build a short run of PZL P-11c, but it foundered. Could be done, but the sole survivor will not be flown, though the engine runs are nice.
They are, aren’t they?