Ex Yugoslav or Greek, possibly flown out as the Germans invaded? Think they both operated two-bladers. Just a thought…
This hypothesis seems to make sense to me. A Yugoslav-built Hurricane I, with the original untapered mast and a two-blade propeller, would not arrive in the Middle East until after the fall of these countries, mid-1941. Maybe the prop could not be easily replaced because of some alterations on licence-built aircraft?
What do Hurricane buffs say?
I think one ship used to transport both French and Polish airmen was called the Arundle Star.
Ian, I suppose you mean the “Arandora Star” that sailed from St-Jean-de-Luz to England in late June.
weren’t a handfull of Mk1 delivered to Egypt, South Africa, Turkey and Iran in 1939? Maybe they also had that filter.
The photo I posted here:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35360
shows Turkish Hurricanes with 3-bladed propellers. Were any delivered with 2-bladed ones?
Also, is it just me, or is the propeller not painted the standard way?
Finally, Mark, can I see the aerial wire between the mast and the fin?
I would like to know the name of a ship who transported the polish pilots from the ‘centre d’entrainement de Montpellier’ from Bordeaux to Plymouth where she arrived the 20/6/1940
Ships that evacuated Polish military personnel (including airmen from various outfits) from Bordeaux included three Polish ones: s/s “Chorzow” (departing 18/6/40), s/s “Tczew” (19/6/40) and s/s “Kmicic” (21/6/40, so definitely not your type). Some Polish personnel was also evacuated by a Czech (!) ship, but I don’t have the name or date.
However:
1) AFAIK Polish pilots trained at Montpellier had been posted in sections to various French units before the Germans attacked in the West, and I don’t think there was any particular Montpellier-related group that boarded a ship at Bordeaux.
2) Polish airmen were also evacuated from a number of other French ports.
The participation of Polish airmen in the Battle of France (including the evacuation) is described in substantial detail in a huge volume by Bartlomiej Belcarz (not unknown to some members of this forum) published some time ago in Polish, and due to be published in French.
And this is him with his Belorussian Connection at the entrance to the Polish Army Museum’s aviation collection.
I hope to post some photo’s of my visit on here
DufordHawk working on it yesterday.
Three photos of Spitfire Is in Turkish service. All from Ole Nikolajsen collection
At first sight it seems that all fits: there were three Spitfire Is in Turkey (L1066, P9566, and P9567) and there are three different code numbers: 1, 2 and 3. However, the Spitfire I ‘1’ shows ‘B’ camouflage layout (L1066 should have ‘A’ scheme). Close-up view of this Spitfire, seemingly taken on the same occasion, shows the windscreen with external armoured glass panel, late style (tapered) aerial mast, and voltage regulator on the back of the plate behind the pilot. All this fits with no. P9566, a later production machine. Also the photo of the Spitfire ‘3’ shows the late style windscreen and mast, so this Spitfire seems to be P9567, in ‘A’ camouflage scheme. If all three photos were taken at the same time, only the Spitfire ‘2’ can be L1066. Or, the two photos of no. ‘1’ (and ‘2’ behind) may have been taken after L1066 was withdrawn (renumbered?) and the two Spitfires from later delivery were re-coded.
Turkish Hurricanes, with numbers in 27.. range can be seen in the background of the upper photo.
Another 2 Whitley’s were lost on the same evening one from 58 Sqn, T4145
P/o R McC Carrapiett
Sgt A J White
P/O C F Jones
Sgt A R Mason – POW
Sgt A C WroathShot down by night fighter from 4./NJG1 and crashed 00.27 at Waterhizen (Groningen)
58 Sqn codes were GE at the time, so this one seems to fit.
Ian, you bet me to it.
But not all Halifaxes had upper turrets, I dare say.
Jokes aside. It’s a Whitley, isn’t it?
It does not look like a Wellington to me, with the fin so far from the fuselage.
L1066 was sold to Poland during summer 1939, despatched by sea, and diverted to Turkey after Poland was overrun by the Germans in September.
The association of Turkish and RAF HK… numbers with original British serials is speculative.
Stop that English chit-chat!
Both Elwyn’s and Dez’s pictures are one and the same type. It is the Antonov AN-28 ‘Cash’.
They are the same, but they are both the M-28, a rather extensive development of the An-28 built in Poland. The civil version (the one with US certificate) is marketed as “Skytruck”, while the military version for the Polish Air Force and Navy is the “Bryza”. One of the latter has become quite well known a little while ago in UK, when it masqueraded for a Wellington of no. 304 (Polish) Sqn. The 30 Eskadra that uses them is heir to 304 Sqn’s traditions.
The Czechs have a very similar small turboprop transport of their own, called Turbolet, but it has single fin and rudder.
Many thanks to both of you!