RyanYou mean the first video in the 3 above where he actually says it isn’t good enough evidence?
Why shouldn’t people be judged on their track record? It at least stops the various apologetic deniers, lying about what he did and didn’t say. So when Corbyn adds 10,000 extra police (for £300k:highly_amused:), will they be proper police, or will he be castrating them first?
RyanOne – he hasn’t, and two he hasn’t boasted that he has. Can you post anything factual, not the words of a foaming loon?
I could but you keep forcing me to quote you. The evidence is in the first link.
But here is another.
Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn’s three decades of blocking terror legislation
Hasn’t boasted that has he eh? You sure about that? He even opposed the shoot to kill (of armed terrorists) policy.
RyanYep. So we might as well go for one who has a principle and a scruple or two.
Ryan, what on earth makes you think Jeremy Corbyn is a communist? Do you even know what that means?
Well, John MacDonnell is a Marxist, that’s close enough for me.
And neither scruples nor principles balance the books.
RyanWow, 20,000 extra police roaming the streets aimlessly will help a lot if you remove anti-terror laws.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40111329
“I am shocked that Jeremy Corbyn, just in 2011, boasted that he had opposed every piece of anti-terror legislation in his 30 years in office.”
But Mr Wallace shot back: “This was a hastily-arranged speech designed to help Jeremy Corbyn run from his record on counter-terrorism policy, but it failed.
“He has boasted about opposing every single counter-terror law, opposed the use of shoot to kill, and gave cover to the IRA when they bombed and shot our citizens.
Voters will judge him on his views and actions in the last 30 years, not his desperate promises and evasive soundbites three days out from polling day.”
RyanCorrected.:eagerness:
RyanWhy does the identify of the Police Chief matter one iota to the validity of my points? It’s not a relevant fact in this incident. Oh I get it…. this is a strawman right?
RyanWe do not have to look very far for the supporters of the jihadists, they are all around. The appeasers, excusers and apologists appear regularly on this forum. They can be seen in the readers letters of the guardian. They can be heard on television, perpetually apologising for the activities of the West and making every excuse under the Sun to justify the murderous mayhem committed by the people who are here but do not want to be except on their terms.
It’s truly staggering when a terrorist attack gets blamed on a lack of police, even when one of the attackers was reported to the police 3 times… and the attack is in London, probably one of the most heavily policed and watched cities on the planet. Meanwhile we continue to bring in more and more Muslims because ‘only a small percentage are terrorists.’ A small percentage of a larger number is still a larger number and do we want a larger number of terrorists?
Anyway, on the actual attacker identities.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/suspects-behind-london-terrorist-attack/
Khuram Butt
The supposed ringleader of the London Bridge terror attack who was photographed on the ground wearing an Arsenal football shirt with canisters strapped to his body was today named by police as Khuram Butt.
Butt, 27 from Barking , Essex, previously appeared in the Channel 4 documentary The Jihadis Next Door, which warned of the rise of extreme Islam in London.
Butt had been reported to the anti-terror police on at least two occasions, it was claimed.
A former friend of the terrorist, who was shot dead by police on Saturday night along with two accomplices, claimed he had been radicalised watching videos on YouTube and said he contacted the authorities after becoming concerned over his obvious extremist views.
A neighbour also claimed she had contacted police in Barking after the terror suspect tried to convert her children to Islam and radicalise them.
The terror suspect was also known by the name Abu Zeitoun, meaning ‘father of olive’ in Arabic.
The former friend claimed he contacted police after becoming concerned over comments he made about other attacks.
But he said the authorities had failed to act and take action despite evidence of his increasingly extremist views.
The friend told the BBC’s Asian network that the terrorist, who was known as Abu or Abs, had been radicalised watching vidoes of the infamous American hate preacher Ahmad Musa Jibril.
He said: “We spoke about a particular attack that happened and like most radicals he had a justification for anything and everything and that day I realised that I needed to contact the authorities.”
Rachid Redouane
There are few details about the two other terrorists so far, but that will change now they have been named.
Rachid, 30, is believed to be the attacker who was carrying an ID card issued in Ireland when he was shot dead. There are unconfirmed reports that he may have claimed to be from Morocco and that he was married to an Irish woman and had lived in Dublin.
Gardai are investigating whether the ID card belonged to the dead man and if the documents are legitimate. It is understood inquiries are continuing into whether the man was given an Irish ID card issued by the Garda National Immigration Bureau.
The plastic credit card-sized documentation is given to people from outside the EU. It has a person’s certificate of registration which states they have permission to stay in Ireland. It must be carried at all times.
There are also inquiries into whether the man had been given paperwork after landing in Ireland to claim asylum or if he had an ID card issued under EU treaties which allowed him to live in Ireland with his family.
Another case of Britain being subject to the bad immigration decisions of other EU countries.
RyanYou haven’t actually proven anything Ryan, only put your perspective with loads of poorly referenced data . Important Difference.
And if you can’t even get the gender of the Met police commissioner right……..
All explained here. Corbyn’s corporation tax and higher income tax rates have already been tried within the last 15 years and they don’t do what he says they do. In real terms they results in lower corporation tax receipts, which were only marginally higher as a % of a lower GDP (3.2% vs current 3% in 2007 boom peak). And when a 60% higher rate gives no extra returns, that means fewer companies and less people employed, which means less income tax. The higher upper rate income tax resulted in a fall in receipts, which only rose after it was put back down to 45%.
My criticism was independent of gender, so the gender is irrelevant.
RyanExcellent news there, Ryan. So, by by applying your previous rigorous mathematical methods.. if Theresa cuts police by a further 50% there would be no more crime! Hurrah. Vote Conservative.
“Intelligence is collected via anonymous tip-offs to counter terrorism officers”. Some is perhaps, though I don’t know the number for one, do you? A lot is via phone calls to a civilian-manned ‘hotline’, though this idea isn’t working too efficiently. A lot used to be via conversations that ordinary police officers (flat-foots? What century is this?) had with ordinary families, and good old fashioned observation of what was going on – something the ‘flat foot’ was trained in. This is happening less or possibly not at all now – which means that ‘under the radar’ attacks like the last one happen – the radar isn’t low enough. This is not me saying it, it is the Commissioner of the Met, saying as much as she can without making a political statement just before an election.
That increase in armed officers is, as you know, beginning to redress a reduction in numbers put in place by the Conservative government.
Would you rather police funding and resources were not discussed politically at this stage? Would you rather there was no political responsibility? Look, your lot are busy trying to make out that Jeremy Corbyn is some kind of terrorist supporter. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to point out a dangerous hypocrisy here. I am still waiting for the blessed May to step up and defend her record.
Corbyn was asked whether he would back calls for May to resign – bearing in mind her role as the Home Secretary who presided over cuts to police resources as well as MI5? He said yes. So would I, is this a surprise? Then he thought about it and added that we all have a chance to force her resignation on Thursday. In fact, the former would gain less politically than the latter.
With your remarkably distasteful applauding of murder earlier you have quite some nerve accusing anyone of being low.
Police were already aware of London Bridge attackers.
Erica Gasparri claimed she had reported to police her concerns about the individual in question’s extremist religious views two years ago after she feared he was radicalising children in a local park.
A former friend of the same man, whom neighbours have described as a married father of two young children who regularly attended two local mosques, also said he had contacted police in Barking, east London, about his views after he discussed Isis-inspired terror attacks.
He told BBC’s Asian Network his friend used to watch clips of the American hate preacher Ahmad Musa Jibril.
“I phoned the anti-terror hotline,” the unnamed man said. “I spoke to the gentleman. I told him about our conversation and why I think he was radicalised.”
Despite his warning, he said his friend was not arrested and allowed to keep his passport. He said: “I did my bit, I know a lot of other people did their bit but the authorities did not do their bit.”
The same attacker was also reported to have appeared in a documentary on Channel 4 last year about British jihadis. He was caught on camera being involved in an altercation with police after a black flag, which has become associated with Isis was unfurled in Regent’s Park in London.
The Met police chief is covering his own back. The police had ample intelligence about these men. Basically it’s like blaming the Rotherham child abuse case on a lack of police. The police had plenty of intelligence but they didn’t act on it.
I’d rather facts weren’t twisted by a Communist weasel disguising himself as PM material. 1,900 extra MI5, MI6 and GCHQ officers. That’s one extra intelligence officer for every 1.6 terrorists on the watch list. The problem is not a lack of police, it’s a lack of power/will to arrest people for hate speech and treasonous views.
Corbyn is the one who thinks you can open a dialogue with these lunatics, even laid a wreath at one of their funerals. And the crime statistics over the last 7 years speak for themselves, 30% down and 1,900 extra intelligence services officers.
And I’ve already proven to you, with historical data, that Corbyn’s plans won’t raise any extra money to pay for further police anyway. So Corbyn’s argument is mathematically bankrupt anyway.
RyanSyAF MiG-23 shot down.
RyanFirstly, I deleted an unpleasant posting from Ryan, and reference to it. Please play nicely.
Which one was that? Probably the Corbyn YouTube one right?:)
RyanChief of the Met this morning on Today programme, talking about terrorism and resources – said she couldn’t comment on levels as ‘in purdah’ but in response to being pressed said a “huge amount comes from comminity policing and response policing”. But of course sickboy knows better.
Finger pointing. Intelligence is collected via anonymous tip-offs to counter terrorism officers. They have not been cut. The idea that someone waits for a bobby to stroll along when they want to report terrorist goings on is ridiculous. Furthermore, London has far more police than any other two cities combined. The response took minutes.
The number of armed officers have been increased with improved cooperation between the police and specialist military units, and funding provided for an additional 1,900 officers at MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.
That will do a hell of a lot more to fight terrorism in cities than 20,000 flat foots distributed across the whole country.
I will also point out that crime has reduced 30% since 2010 and police numbers were only cut by 15%. So the amount of police per crime has increased by >20%. So they should actually have had more time to gather this alleged intel.
RyanCorbyn tries to make political capital out of London attack.
He is the lowest of the low.
London attack: Corbyn says May should resign over police funding record – latest updates
RyanYes. It is a figure for all graduates. Your very long answer was pointless, and not in an erudite gameshow way.
The enthusiastic cutting and pasting of ‘large graphs’ without spotting the fundamental logical flaw in your argument suggests you might be one of John’s seven-tenths.
Well as John said, 70% of graduates are wasting their time. Hence the overall average is bogged down by people who did waste of time courses and didn’t get good grades. The ones I look at as a benchmark are engineering graduates at BAE, RR, JLR and Nissan, and they are £28-30k, which is roughly 50% higher than they were 15 years ago. RR was only £19k in 2001, Land Rover was £20k and non-sponsored graduates at BAE were only £19-20k now that I think back.
Ryan“..high graduate salaries..” This, I believe is a reminder of the unreasonably elevated expectations of those who finish higher education with a 2.1 and think that as a budding genius the world owes them a well cushioned living. There are far too many young people entering run-of-the-mill universities because it is the ‘thing’ to do, incurring a financial penalty that only the bank of Mum & Dad can pay, thus excusing their offspring from penalising debt.
Learn a trade of some sort. It could provide a better standard of living. Academia is probably suited for no more than three out of ten applicants.
Absolutely. If you’re not doing something like engineering, law, accountancy, medicine, maths, computing/software or science, you’re wasting your time from the off. If you’re talking out a graduate loan to do a degree in philosophy or arts, commit suicide and save yourself the pain that later life will bring.
It’s mainly those leaving with 2:2s and 3rds who will really struggle. Many of the better companies won’t even consider you at that level. To them it says, “either too dim or didn’t try.”
And yes, more and more people are going into apprenticeships now, and it’s the smart move with tuition fees at these levels. You’ll learn an actual trade and if you’re suitably equipped upstairs, the company will send you to do a degree, which they will pay for.
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