No, he’s arguing with himself, in great detail and at great length using half baked but verbatim tabloid arguments, selective data, well-known logical falacies and dim assumptions. I really can’t be bothered. J8h

I have already said I think the figures in the Labour manefesto are optimistic. At least they have a manefesto and not just a lot of pictures of May looking strong and stable.

Fewer and less are used interchangeably by the under-educated who don’t know the difference.

Scarily high graduate salaries. On which planet? Or is 19-22,000 scarily high? http://www.instantoffices.com/blog/reports-and-research/average-uk-salary/

Selective data? I’ve used data from the last 37 years. Corbyn’s proposed corporation and higher rate income tax levels have already been in place at some point in the last 15 years however, and never raised anything like the amount Corbyn claims either in real terms or as a percentage of GDP. In fact, they raised less than nothing vs the current take in real terms. His manifesto is pure fiction and the evidence is right there in large graphs for anyone with an open mind to see.

They’re not optimistic, they’re just plain wrong and not wrong by a small amount, completely wrong and like I said, the evidence is there in large graphs to prove that they’re wrong.

Does that figure include graduates who haven’t found graduate jobs? Probably. What type of degree? Good one, or waste of time? The graduate starting salary at BAE SYSTEMS 16 years ago was more than £22,000.

2014

https://targetjobs.co.uk/career-sectors/engineering/advice/284465-engineering-salary-round-up-from-graduate-to-chartered-engineer

The average salary for mechanical engineering graduates with a bachelors degree was £25,000; those with an integrated masters averaged £27,000
The average salary for civil engineering graduates with a bachelors degree was £25,000; those with an integrated masters averaged £25,500
The average salary for electrical and electronic engineering graduates with a bachelors degree was £25,000; those with an integrated masters degree averaged £27,000.

Starting salaries for leading engineering graduate schemes
The following figures relate to starting salaries for 2017.

Associated British Foods – Grocery graduate salary: £30,500
AECOM graduate salary: £23,000–£26,000
Airbus graduate salary: £26,000+
Air Products PLC graduate salary: £30,000
Amey graduate salary: £24,500–£26,500
AWE graduate salary: £23,220–£23,720 depending on experience
Babcock International Group graduate salary: a minimum of £25,000, although many schemes offer £27,000-£30,000
BAE Systems graduate salary: a minimum of £28,000 (graduate development framework); £30,000 (finance leader development programme and sigma leadership programme)
BP graduate salary: £33,000–£40,000
British Sugar graduate salary: £30,000 (engineering and electrical engineering programmes only)
Caterpillar graduate salary: £27,500–£28,000 for the engineering programme and £26,500–£27,000 for non-engineering programmes depending on experience
DSTL graduate salary: circa £23,000
EDF Energy graduate salary: £27,500
E.ON graduate salary: £29,000 starting salary
ExxonMobil graduate salary: £37,500–£42,000 depending on qualifications
FirstGroup graduate salary: £26,000
Imagination Technologies graduate salary: £25,000–£30,000
Jaguar Land Rover graduate salary: £29,000
Johnson Matthey Plc graduate salary: £28,000+
Laing O’Rourke graduate salary: £27,000
Leonardo graduate salary: £26,000
Lloyd’s Register graduate salary: £25,500–£27,500
Mars graduate salary: £28,420 (engineering and R&D programmes)
MOD/DESG graduate salary: £25,077
Mott MacDonald graduate salary: £25,000–£28,000 depending on location and qualifications
National Grid graduate salary: £27,500–£28,500 depending on qualifications
National Instruments graduate salary: £27,500
Network Rail graduate salary: £26,500
Nestlé graduate salary: £27,000
Nissan Motor Manufacturing UK graduate salary: £29,660
nucleargraduates graduate salary: £25,000
Rolls-Royce graduate salary: £28,000
RWE npower graduate salary: £30,000–£35,000 (quantitative risk scheme); £26,000 (other schemes)
RWE Generation UK graduate salary: £29,000
Shell graduate salary: £30,000–£35,000
Thames Water graduate salary: £28,000
Transport for London graduate salary: £26,000
UK Power Networks graduate salary: £31,000
Unilever graduate salary: £30,000 (Unilever Future Leaders Programme, which includes R&D roles)
Unipart Group graduate salary: £26,500
Wates graduate salary: £20,500–£27,500

All the ones in bold are realistic for those with a 2:1 or 1st in engineering, although the oil companies are very difficult to get into but high 20s is definitely doable. The problem is that your figures for the overall average are distorted by people with:

a) Degrees in ****ty subjects;

b) ****ty grades.

2017

http://www.savethestudent.org/student-jobs/whats-the-expected-salary-for-your-degree.html

The current average graduate salary in the UK is just shy of £23,000, but we’ve also heard folk reporting everything between £16,000 and £70,000!

http://www.savethestudent.org/student-jobs/whats-the-expected-salary-for-your-degree.html#table

Degree Subject Average Graduate Salary
Accounting & Finance £23,180
Aeronautical & Manufacturing Engineering £25,588
Agriculture & Forestry £20,696
American Studies £20,618
Anatomy & Physiology £21,988
Anthropology £20,395
Archaeology £20,000
Architecture £19,864
Art & Design £19,669
Aural & Oral Sciences £23,658
Biological Sciences £20,624
Building £26,286
Business & Management Studies £23,952
Celtic Studies £19,793
Chemical Engineering £28,603
Chemistry £22,817
Civil Engineering £25,550
Classics & Ancient History £22,460
Communication & Media Studies £19,258
Complementary Medicine £28,259
Computer Science £25,203
Creative Writing £18,133
Dentistry £30,432
Drama, Dance & Cinematics £19,659
East & South Asian Studies £23,723
Economics £28,157
Education £21,896
Electrical & Electronic Engineering £26,146
English £20,065
Food Science £22,249
Forensic Science £18,825
French £22,171
General Engineering £27,157
Geography & Environmental Science £22,001
Geology £24,818
German £22,416
History £21,621
History of Art, Architecture & Design £20,349
Hospitality, Leisure, Recreation & Tourism £20,130
Iberian Languages £22,161
Italian £21,731
Land & Property Management £24,505
Law £20,421
Librarianship & Information Management £24,576
Linguistics £20,261
Marketing £21,565
Materials Technology £22,468
Mathematics £25,840
Mechanical Engineering £26,361
Medical Technology £22,652
Medicine £28,191
Middle Eastern & African Studies £22,412
Music £19,956
Nursing £22,840
Occupational Therapy £22,407
Ophthalmics £16,286
Pharmacology & Pharmacy £19,746
Philosophy £24,377
Physics & Astronomy £25,047
Physiotherapy £22,331
Politics £23,603
Psychology £19,927
Russian & East European Languages £23,973
Social Policy £20,555
Social Work £24,761
Sociology £20,518
Sports Science £19,888
Theology & Religious Studies £21,824
Town & Country Planning and Landscape Design £22,775
Veterinary Medicine £26,872

Software

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-graduate-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,33.htm

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-16/general-election-2017-labour-launch-party-manifesto/

This will include £19.4 billion through corporation tax which would increase to 26% by 2022, bringing in an extra £20 billion.

I just proven that historically there’s no evidence of anything like this ever having even nearly happened post WTO. Take it or leave it.

Corbyn’s maths? Do you really think he or the Prime Hypocrite sit down with a calculator?

Corbyn no, current chancellor, yes.

None of that waffle has any bearing as we are looking at claims regarding a future scenario, not adding up anything that happened in the past. Not that you have shown anything about that either.

The past is our usually our best indication of the future, only in this case the future effects of large corporation tax rises are even less likely to yield large returns due to exit from the EU.

And by the way it’s ‘fewer’ companies, not ‘less’. I will not take ill-thought-through lectures on economics from a tory with no grasp of basic grammar.

These days they’re used interchangeably. If words like ‘gadar’ have made it into the oxford dictionary, I hardly think its opinion counts anymore. And I will not take pedantic grammar pointers from someone who can’t count. And you will not be able to count the number of companies leaving under Corbyn, so I retain the right to use ‘less’.

The world was not globalised? Do you have the foggiest idea of what you mean by that?

Yes, the WTO in 1995 put limitations on tariffs, in the early ’80s there were no such restrictions, so companies couldn’t simply up and leave as easily. And even then a 48% corporation tax only raised £22bn adjusted for inflation, which was 4.0% of GDP vs 3.0% now (33% rise). So we didn’t even get the 50% rise in receipts Corbyn thinks he’ll get, under a 48% corporation tax, pre-WTO, whilst in the EEC. And that’s all measured against GDP, which itself was lower back then (in real terms) and will fall under high corporation taxes. In real terms we have never collected more than the current £56bn in one year, ever, not at 28%, 30% or 52%, not even at the peak of the housing boom at 30%. I have presented irrefutable evidence that Corbyn’s strategy will not work, so if you want to land the next generation in debt go right ahead, but I’ll make note of this conversation and bring it back to haunt you and others in the future!

And have you seen the land tax Corbyn intends to institute. £5000 extra to the average family. £11,000 if you live in London.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/29/tax-homes-treble-labour-plans-land-value-tax/

The IPPR also warned that the tax “might push some heavily mortgaged homeowners over the edge” and lead to repossessions.

The National Farmers’ Union has warned that by imposing land tax on agricultural land “it would simply increase the cost of UK food production with no benefit for shoppers”.

And the inheritance tax threshold will be £425,000 instead of £850,000. So instead of some people paying for social care, everyone over an asset value of £425,000 will pay. Too bad for anyone who lives in London.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/799728/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-Party-John-McDonnell-inheritance-tax-general-election

For who? Mine hasn’t, my brother’s hasn’t, my sister’s hasn’t and none of my friends’ has. All I know is that after the last labour government, people were losing their homes completely and killing themselves.

Look at it this way Beermat. In order to get a good deal from the EU, we have to be prepared to walk away. If you intend increasing corporation tax by 50% and instituting a £10/hour minimum wage, you can’t do that. Those things on their own will drive away businesses, add tariffs on top and its a dead economy.

Even the £10 minimum wage on its own is problematic. 60,000 people are likely to lose their job as a result, even ignoring higher corporation tax and potential Brexit effects.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/national-living-wage-has-hit-uk-salaries-jobs-site-says-a7011576.html

After Corbyn, your children will grow up in a world where an even higher % of revenue is taken up by servicing the national debt. There’ll be even less money left for education and the NHS, and less jobs. Corbyn is offering a pay-day loan solution to public sector spending.

And don’t twist words, I didn’t say those who are not wealthy are stupid, I said those who are poor are usually stupid. The Conservative’s income tax regime benefits pretty much every working person. They have never taken away from people who are working.

I think I’ve presented sourced figures in my pro-Brexit arguments and ways tariffs can be overcome. And my figures actually balance, unlike Corbyn’s

Out of the 3 main EU net contributors, UK GDP has grown fastest over the last 3 years, yet it grows slower than the Eurozone as a whole. So what we see is that the subsidies provided by the UK, France and Germany are stunting their own economic growth for the sake of others.

There is nothing stupid about Brexit, but any plan where your revenue does not match your expenditure is very stupid. However, by promising that expenditure goes to stupid people, stupid people will vote for you, regardless of the long-term impact on the country and future generations.

i just said that F-35 wand not the most persistent plane, particularly during high speed combats over the sea. Like it or not, pilot testimony, not nyour fanboyism. Source is in latest raids aviation. 3pancho” testimony. Very funny how you get touchy. Btw, mrmalaya, at least nthe french build ,a,plane. They are not just subcontractors as uk.
Did anyone notice there were positive feedback on F-35 and i nsaid it?

In the meanwhile, real cost of LRIP9 is skyrocketing… https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/easySearchView.jsp

The UK also have a plane and are Tier 1 partners on another and it’s a tactic that will effectively result in far more exports. And I don’t think your link works. And can persistence with 3 2000L tanks really be compared to that clean?