RyanHate-speech! Comparing Muslims to rats, just like the Nazis did with the Jews!
Right! That’s you off to the internment camp then!
Nope, nice try. Comparing terrorists to rats.
But you’re right, I apologise wholeheartedly to any rodents who may have taken offence.
RyanYou still haven’t explained where all these people you want to lock up will be housed, nor how it would be paid for.
And the german car industry argument not allowing a tough negotiating stance by Merkel et al has been debunked, even in the Torygraph, as a red herring
Nor have you explained how we octuple anti-terror police to keep all 23,000 monitored. At the end of the day, it’s cheaper to monitor 23,000 if they’re all lumped together in small places with restricted freedom.
It’s not a red herring. No way it can be. That article does absolutely nothing to debunk it, it just posts crap stated by Frau Merkel. As I said, the face Angela Merkel presents doesn’t reflect what goes on behind the scene. Poker face. You’re talking about unions at large who got auto workers a wage of $67/hour. Merkel is a leader accountable to her people. The consequences of 1/5th of German car trade being hit by tariffs will be a **** storm of epic proportions that nobody there voted for.
EU firms would have to pay £12.9bn a year in tariffs to the UK if Britain turned to World Trade Organisation terms after it left the bloc, the report by Civitas said. The most affected sector would be car manufacturers, who would pay a theoretical £3.9bn.
In return, British exporters to the EU would, under WTO terms, have to pay £5.2bn a year in tariffs.
The majority of that £3.9bn (55%) falls directly on Germany’s auto makers.
RyanI don’t know that locking-up Oswald Mosley didn’t win the Second World War? Seriously?
Yes, I do. And so does everybody else but you, apparently!
You forget that just one fascist started it in the first place. Don’t underestimate the ability of poison to spread.
RyanSo what are you suggesting? Internment of 23,000 people without trial, indefinitely? Seriously?
You are out of your mind (and so is the UKIP leader Paul Nuttall); if you intern 23,000 Muslims in this country you’ll have ‘radicalised’ 250,000 more at a single stroke. What then, intern them too?
Internment was tried in Northern Ireland; it was a disaster for the Security Services. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.
Just to put this stupidity into context: Guantanamo Bay only ever had 800 suspects pass through it and 90% of them were released without charge (and some were paid huge sums in compensation, I believe).
So you’re going to build about thirty Guantanamo Bay type facilities are you? And that’s just for your first wave of internees!
In all cases there is evidence of wrong-doing, which I have already mentioned. Wrong-doing constitution treason and hate speech. Evidence of this should be enough to try them and take them out of circulation.
Well if they’re that easily radicalised, they already a time bomb waiting to go off… literally.
They arrested people without evidence then though. There is evidence that put these people on the watch list in the first place, which I have already alluded to. It is also a very different kind of terrorism, backed by a very different ideology.
It may be possible to deport many of them but clearly you can’t manage an ever increasing number of extremists walking around free. The alternative is octupling anti-terror police, and even then, you can’t be sure. I also remain adamant that if a given % of Muslims are terrorists/IS sympathisers, we should stop importing them.
RyanEven you cannot believe there’ll be no fallout from BREXIT; even if it turns out to be a good thing (which it won’t) only 52% of the population wanted it and the other 48% aren’t going to get the things they most wanted out of it…
…plus the general dissatisfaction with the government in power anyway (since most didn’t vote for them).
No, the next administration is a poison-chalice for whoever wins. Probably the one after too.
I don’t see it like that. You had 52% of people who were willing to take a risk and maybe 20% of people who didn’t like the EU but didn’t want the risk.
Most people are happy they’re slowly fixing things after 2008. And after September 2008, most people were about ready to start lynching Labour MPs, that’s something people don’t forget in a hurry.
Will there be some losers after Brexit? Maybe, but overall it’ll be positive. In all honesty I think the German government are more worried about it and the potential affects of no deal. 1 in 5 cars made in Germany go to the UK. They’ve already been hit by the falling £, adding £3.9bn of tariffs on EU car exports under WTO to that would have a major impact and unlike us, they didn’t vote for this crap (or the EU) and are already sceptical about the EU. Nor do they have extra money to offset tariffs with like we do, in fact, if the EU budget is to be maintained, they have less money and total corporate taxes are 30-33% there. Unions are also already breaking auto makers there, with $67.14/hour wages. This is a big deal, so whilst they might present a calm fact, people are worried.
RyanIf they don’t have the house in joint names, they are pretty stupid to start with.
A tax accountant would say they are stupid for not already having their house in their offspring’s name.
Anyway, the local UKIP representative isn’t standing this time around and has pledged support to the Tory campaign and encouraged national voters to do the same.
RyanHusband and wife, house in hubbies name… Hubby has to go into care as men tend to go first… Hubby dies, where does that leave Wifey??
All the more reason to have the house in both your names, but I would imagine there could well be some sort of work around where couples are concerned, especially if married.
RyanBruce I said a few pages back, the election is there for the Conservatives to lose, and boy are they working at it with inane ideas, such as the asset grab from the elderly, totally agree, if that was their plan why on earth would you release it?, you would keep it under wraps and avoid the questions until in power and then slip it in…..
Pure stupidity at work and apparently it was slipped into the manifesto at the last minute without party discussion where someone would have had the sense one hopes to say whoo there…
At least it’s honest. And really it’s an asset grab from the next generation, not the elderly.
As the flip-side to that, the best and possibly only way to show that Labours plans won’t fund themselves is to let Labour try them!
The downside is that five years later the country will be £650billion further in debt, economically much worse off (probably), and nobody will be any happier than they are today (including the unions)! And we’ll probably have scrapped Trident along with the rest of our armed forces in a desperate attempt to balance the books.
That’s probably his plan. Bankrupt the country, then we won’t be able to afford Trident, so parliamentary democracy will count for nought.
RyanHow do you know it isn’t working; there may have been more terrorist attacks without this approach.
And please stop comparing what is going on in the United Kingdom today with World War Two; the two conflicts have nothing in common whatsoever except that the enemy is ‘evil’!
World War Two was not won by locking-up Oswald Mosley! In fact, it wouldn’t have made the slightest difference to the outcome of the war if he hadn’t been locked-up, but then how many of the 50,000 or so civilian deaths in Britain during the war were killed by fascist suicide-bombers? I don’t have the exact figures but I’m guessing none!
And don’t assume, just because I don’t agree that your methods will be effective, that I’m somehow being ‘soft’ on terrorists; I would have no problem whatsoever with the death penalty for convicted terrorists…
…except that creating martyrs is exactly the wrong thing to do!
Because the people on the list are conducting the attacks. Furthermore after looking into them post-attack, we fine yet more rats in the nest. This could all be done pre-attack.
A conflict is a conflict. You don’t leave the enemy running free on your streets.
You don’t know that. Poisonous ideas spread and Islamic extremism has proven itself far more infectious and the difference in lethality between Isalmic extremism and Mosley’s fascism only provides a stronger argument for getting them off the streets, not a weaker one.
RyanOften it can be better to leave those running the opposition in place, I seem to remember that the majority of the Irish leadership was known, but if you arrested them all and threw them in jail, you are then faced with a situation where you do not know who has taken their place and is running the show, hence keeping an eye on their movements and monitoring / spying on them can yield more of the network and their planned operations..
The Irish leadership and IRA was small enough to monitor. Here we have 23,000 people, only 3,000 of which are being monitored and we’re suffering attacks because they are still on the streets.
RyanWe’ve been trying the softly, softly approach for a long time and it isn’t working. Suppose if during WWII, someone had said, “And absolutely the last thing we want to do is to alienate the British Fascist population as they are, as anybody but an idiot would know, by far the best resource that the security services have.”
Doesn’t seem to make sense anymore does it? Many of these attacks are coming from people who had second and third chances.
Paris shooting gunman was arrested in FEBRUARY for threatening to kill police – after serving 15 years for previous cop attacks – and released after he claimed Scream masks and hunting knives found on him were for ‘a carnival’
Anyone who hasn’t already spotted that the majority of Muslims are being killed by Muslims is beyond hope. I’d rather just arrest those returning from Syria to make sure they don’t commit terrorist atrocities or inspire others too by spreading their poison.
And why has that happened? Because terrorists place military assets near civilian assets, in precise contravention of International Law.
You would be surprised, it’s a vicious circle. More attacks inevitably leads to more backlash, and more backlash leads to more attacks, with the end result not being good for non-Muslims or moderate Muslims. The policy of removing the suggested people from society for genuine hate speech and treason would have prevented several attacks already. That much is a fact.
So what do you do, just let them acquire vast pseudo states and finance and plan terror operations from there, like the Taliban and OBL were doing.
Ryannor is it how they would best be deployed
Wrong. If we can detain Oswald Mosley for the duration of WWII, then we can detain some rabid Muslims for the duration of the war on terror.
Is it your opinion that Muslims returning from Syria or flying the ISIS flag shouldn’t be arrested and detained?
RyanRyanIf that were the case they’d already avoid doing it, simply to avoid being detected. But these people are not smart, they’re doing all this and hiding behind human rights groups.
A crack down would also stop radical ideas being communicated for fear of being ‘weeded out’. We must weed out this 23,000 and if extremists come after, we will weed them out too.
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