The published ranges are actually similar, the NEZ of the Meteor is much larger according to MBDA claims, but as per former discussions, there is no consensus which Aim-120 model MBDA was using to compare. Safe to say a missile which is powered in the endgame is going to be more effective at the edges of it’s range and in a tail chase (tail aspect shot) but…..
Well actually there is a consensus, just not a unanimous one. The general consensus is 3 times the NEZ of the AIM-120C-5, because that was the one the RAF were using when Combat Aircraft wrote it in their Eurofighter Special in 2013. That may only equate to 2.X kinematic range though. Say 60km NEZ for AMRAAM at high altitude. 180km NEZ for Meteor. ~60km for speed to decay. But which is more important? Kinematic range or NEZ? And if we play the drag game fully, yes the Meteor has inlets, but it only has one set of fins as opposed to two. And just to point out, the Meteor is throttleable, it can slow down or speed up during flight to maximise success of intercept.
Pretty much agree with bring_it_on, based on the BAE SYSTEMS graphic, the Meteor has a slightly lower peak speed but it should be noted that a difference of M0.5 or less makes no difference, since both provide sufficient energy for a kill, and based on recent firing videos, the Meteor is no slouch at getting up to speed.
Does anyone know if the AMRAAM-ER is just for NASAMS, or is it planned for air launch too?
Labour can only win in 2022 if they change.
The volume constraint is for the carrier aircraft. Think at the added volume of the inlets, hence larger fins, hence heavier body (structural needs) hence larger size etc…
In the 80’s, solid propellant tech were what they were and the Ramjet road was a brilliant choice. Today, solid propellant efficiency has increased by a factor of somewhat two and today (well… next tomorrow) , dualphase propellant (solid to liquid) could even better the overall power efficiency ratio.Think that the rocket model is the most efficient propulsion system: no external drag added, no propulsion drag, lower aero impact with lesser structural needs and, at the end, more compact missile in term of diameter.
Gone are the days of the mammoth size Genie missiles
Fins can be made fold and the UK and Japan are working on a new version of Meteor for the F-35. The inlets don’t really make the missile much wider. And if I was in a fight, I’d want the slightly thicker 6ft spear rather than two 3ft spears.
So how come:

And why the scramjet research by US, Russia, China, India etc.?
Well Tories made gains in local elections, surprise surprise.
Scottish results, SNP down, surprise surprise:
SNP: 21 (-5)
CON: 18 (+11)
LAB: 13 (-3)
IND: 8 (-3)
LDEM: 1 (-1)
GRN: 1 (+1)
You’re making assumptions. E.g. if X individual hadn’t invented the wheel so many years ago, does that mean we still wouldn’t have a wheel today?
So in the future Russian jets will be twin-seated and carry a computer hacker in the back-seat that will hack into the Meteor missile and redirect it towards the launch platform?
RF cyberwarfare is a real possibility regardless of which aircraft guides the missile.
I think you’re making unnecessarily complicated assumptions rather than simply reading the words as they stand. In such an instance the Typhoon would be a long way back behind the F-35 anyway. I also do not see what work is being done. If both aircraft are able to communicate with the missile, then both can direct it. It’s no different to buddy-lasing fundamentally and I’m sure this capability is also in service with many over-the-horizon surface-to-surface missiles. I mean, it’s essentially a flying mobile phone, it doesn’t matter which other mobile phone talks to it, although obviously it will be encrypted.
Well if Meteor is due to be integrated onto F-35 (circa 2024), the F-35 will need to be able to communicate with it, so I can’t really see a problem with Typhoon launching and F-35 guiding. It’s already been done between two Typhoons using AMRAAM 8 years ago, so it seems fairly obvious that Meteor will be able to do the same, though maybe not using the F-35 until 2024.
I think it is a bit optimistic . Granting a plateform control over a Missile or weapon launched by another plateform , is definitevely something in consideration in most AF, but unless I missed something, I do not think it has been acheived even less feilded yet . “Meteor can be operated using thid party data” mean, I think , the guidance system can accept input originating from third party data , but still passed-on by the launching plateform. Or is there more evidence to suggest otherwize ?
AMRAAM has definitely been fired passively by a Typhoon at a target located by another Typhoon.
And:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=12762
Meteor can be operated using third party data, enabling the Meteor user – the pilot – to have the most flexible weapon system.
Network enabled capability through data link
Now it’s generated a false return.
Maybe after the payment of the €100Billion BREXIT exit payment she wasn’t too far wrong on only being able to pay policemen £30 per year….
Juncker and the ever rising Brexit bill remind me of this:
I think that Labour will just ‘edge’ i
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This is much in the way we neded Churchill, with all his faults in wartime, but kicked him out for the peace that followed.
My only issue is that the current Labour leadership are so anti-business that they would be unlikely to assure a prosperous journey into the sunlit uplands.
Moggy
Well that’s the problem. If we default to WTO trading conditions, you need to counter that with a business friendly tax regime, and unless Labour change radically, they are obviously not going to do that.
Farron has also shot the Lib Dems in the foot with his handling of a certain gay rights question. I still think they will see an increase at the polls, simply due to being the only pro-EU party. UKIP will probably vote Tory and I see the SNP losing seats above the border, hopefully enough for a Con-Lab coalition (I know, blasphemy) leadership up there.
I know the figure of 57% is wrong, because only 44% go to Europe in total and 5% head on to other global destinations from EU ports. And JFC, just because the wheel gets invented during a period it doesn’t mean the EU takes credit.
Security co-operation pre-dates the EU.
Since we joined the EU the manufacturing portion of GDP has dropped from 20% to 10%. The class formerly known as working is now unemployed. The EU’s the sort of thing I’m not sure I’d want to be part of even if it were free.
From Simon Sweeney, Lecturer in international political economy, University of York.
“What did the EEC/EU ever do for us? Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade; structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline; clean beaches and rivers; cleaner air; lead free petrol; restrictions on landfill dumping; a recycling culture; cheaper mobile charges; cheaper air travel; improved consumer protection and food labelling; a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives; better product safety; single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance; break up of monopolies; Europe-wide patent and copyright protection; no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market; price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone; freedom to travel, live and work across Europe; funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad; access to European health services; labour protection and enhanced social welfare; smoke-free workplaces; equal pay legislation; holiday entitlement; the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime; strongest wildlife protection in the world; improved animal welfare in food production; EU-funded research and industrial collaboration; EU representation in international forums; bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO; EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty; European arrest warrant; cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence; European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa; support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond; investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital. Finally the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed”.
Yes, Reg.. but apart from all of that, what has the EU ever done for us?
All inaccurate, they only account for 39% of our exports.
Break up monopolies – Merger after merger after merger.
Most of the rest is garbage that would have happened with or without the EU.
Technically it isn’t a ramjet though, it’s a VFDR. The propellant is solid, so no volume constraint.
Launcher exposure? Drag? Think you may be overestimating the extra drag of a few small ram intakes.