When the Israeli AF sent its aircraft to bomb the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, they chose the F-16’s as the attack craft and F-15’s as top cover (instead of using another group of eight F-16’s as top cover). On 09/11/01, when the NORAD mess was straightened out, the USAF had Air Force One escorted by F-15’s!

A, you are comaparing apples with oranges! In the moment of the Osirak raid, the F 16s were F 16 A! No BVR capability, only being able to launch Sidewinders!
Nowadays F 16C blk 50 (not to mention blk. 60 with APG 80) with the APG 68 (V)9 and IFF are dangerous because of their smaller RCS compared with ~10 sqm of the F 15!

Ahmed Ali Shah,

On this forum I red a lost of enormities, but I don’t think that I’ve heard anything more funny as your nationalistic posts :p . Pakistani pilots achieving kills against Isralesi pilots? In your dreams!!!!!!!!!!!! :p 😀 :p 😀

Relax, mon ami!

First, I presume you are French, because of your nickname-IIRC Fonk was the top Freench scorer in WWI.

I suppose being French have one advantage over being only english speaking, we can understand what is writen by French officials and write (back) about it without making a hard mess of it.

:p Ha,ha, I am not from US, if this is what you imply…

“a unique EW technique that locates an enemy radar in range and bearing,”

Tha’ts the PRIMARY function os SPECTRA. ELINT/SINGIT. Not too much to do with active cancellation yet.

I suppose being French have one advantage over being only english speaking, we can understand what is writen by French officials and write (back) about it without making a hard mess of it.

“calculates the scatter that it will receive from the Rafale,”

ECMs again not too much to do with active stealth as yet, as for myself, as long as i haven’t validated my sources i won’t post any “Articles” on it…

“and transmits an exact mimic of the aircraft’s actual echo — but one-half wavelength out of phase, so that the radar sees nothing. “

From what AvLeak said (I don’t know how reliable is as a source), it results clearly that active cancelation is supposed to defend the Rafarle against fighter radar.

Now I don’t know if this is true, I just quote AvLeak; I’m not aware what French sources say about Spectra.

Before you can afford doing anything of the kind, you might want to be a USAF F-15 exchange pilot flying a Mirage 2000 5F with 2/2 and talk about your recent encounter with your ex-squadron pals flying the very aircraft you thought superior. Get real.

? Don’t understand

tha’t a good one Have you heard about these operational radars: APG 63V(2), APG 79, APG 77, APG 80?”

Yep heared of them, so did Thales, and since they cannot afford so many variants of the same technology, they simply stick to the actual schedules for the RBE2AESA service entry while developing its technology further:

These are not “variants”. There are 5 separates radars, each one suited for 5 different fighters.

But I must admit that the French produces some of the bets target drones for USAF/USN they are called, let me remind, oh, yes Mirage!”

USAF aren’t operating Mirages which are 50 years old but Kfirs C2s which are just a little younger. I supposed this is too old an history for you to recall.

:p I was not speaking about Kfirs, I was talking about the Mirages that USAF downed in confilcts 😀

Almansur is right. I can’t see how active cancelation would work against more than one radar, not to mention the new AESAs that spread the emmited signal in dozens of separates frequencies instead of only one (as in the case of mechanical scanned or phase scanned radars). The Spectra shoud retransmit all these subsignals back in order to obtain “an exact mimic of the aircraft’s actual echo — but one-half wavelength out of phase”. This is practically impossible.

Also, don’t forget that the continuos retransmission of radar waves would transform the (otherway discrete, I must admit) Rafale into a huge lighthouse for RWRs around.

They should say a big thanks, as some systems that are being used on the F-16U have been developed in Elisra, an Israeli company.

If I would be from Israel, I will restraint myself from such comments. Are you sure that US must to say “a big thaks” to Israel and not vice versa?

Very high AoA capability is needed in fighter aircraft because it means that pilot will control the fighter in any maneuver, without fear of departure.

For example, when avoiding missile during high g transient maneuvering, or when pointing its weapons to high g maneuvering targets, etc, etc.

The pilot confidence that its own fighter is free of departure in any maneuver is of utmost importance

Very high AoA is achievable only at low speed! Most dogfiths recorded up to now (in jet era) took place between 0.6-1.2 M. At these speeds, you can’t perform cobras, bells, kulbits, etc.

From a flight control system standpoint, it is extraordinary.

Yeah, and from a military point of vue is worthless… 😀

Firebar, the F 22 can suatain 60 deg; it can too execute a 360 deg rotation. What I considered incorrect formulated was this:

-SU-30MKI with 360 degrees, unlimited angle of attack.