The latest Agat seeker is claimed to implement new technical solutions and have a range up to 90km vs a 5 sq m RCS target. It operates in passive, semi-active and active modes
With a range of up to 90 km, it could have the unprecedented capability to take out airborne warning and control system aircraft.
So what’s the RCS of the target that could be detected at 90 km? 100 sqm (AWACS) or 5 sqm? (fighter)
with a diammeter of 200 mm
Sorry for the typo!
The latest Agat seeker is claimed to implement new technical solutions and have a range up to 90km vs a 5 sq m RCS target. It operates in passive, semi-active and active modes
Is this a joke, or what? A 90 km range against a 5 sq m target the figure for a fighter radar such the Kopyo or APG 68. How on earth could a seeker that should fit in the nose of a missile with adiammeter of 200 match a radar with a weight of 100-150 kg and with a volume of 0.5 cubic m???
Don’t you get tired of such claims of Russian wonderweapons? It really starts to look like the German propaganda in the final months of WW II !
Putin is putting the armed forces back into shape, thumbs up to him
Now,that’s a good one.
Dionis,where are you from? (Russai, Ukraine,Belarus)? At least thiswoulw explain
But you agree that a fighter radar, even the Bars, could not detect a raptor at 100 km away
when assesing anti-asm capabilities of o US Navy carrier battle group, you shoud consider the CEC. This is more important than Standard, ESSM or RAM
as most Russian seekers have 45-60 Km range and the newer ones made by the Agat has got 90Km
ha, ha , ha the distance a active radar seeker is around 15-25 km
Lets say they can detect the Raptor at a distance of 100km
(???)In your dreams. 100 km could not be true even for the powerful bil board radar of the SA 12
The RAM is supposed to work against low flying ASm
This is from the Raytheon site:
There are well over 100,000 anti-ship missiles in the world’s inventory today, posing a serious threat to all naval vessels. Assured destruction of a large raid is the only means to ensure ship survival. The Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) Guided Missile Weapon System is the world’s most modern ship self-defense weapon, and has been specifically designed to provide exceptional protection for ships of all sizes. RAM is currently installed, or planned for installation, on over 80 U.S. Navy and 28 German Navy ships.
RAM is a supersonic, light-weight, quick-reaction, fire-and-forget missile designed to destroy antiship missiles. Its autonomous dual-mode passive RF and IR guidance design, requiring no shipboard support after missile launch, uniquely provides high-firepower capability for engaging multiple threats simultaneously.
The MK 44 Guided Missile Round Pack, coupled with the 21-cell MK 49 Guided Missile Launching System, comprise the MK 31 Guided Missile Weapon System. The weapon system has been designed for flexibility in ships’ integration, with no “dedicated” sensors required. A wide variety of existing ship sensors can readily provide the target and pointing information required to engage the antiship threat.
RAM has evolved in order to counter the anticipated non-RF-radiating anti-ship cruise missiles of the future. The RAM Block 1 missile has been designed to defeat tomorrow’s threat. While retaining the existing RF-to-IR guidance modes of the Block 0 RAM, Block 1 incorporates a new image-scanning seeker with the added capability of autonomous IR-all-the-way guidance, thus countering advanced anti-ship missiles which do not employ on-board radar seekers. This new seeker also allows increased capability against crossing targets and the ability to engage fixed and rotary-winged aircraft. Enhanced digital signal processing further provides increased resistance to countermeasures, as well as superior performance in severe IR background conditions.
The system emplys the Ku band radar of the Phalanx, it has a new FLIR. When a ASM is detected, the 21 missile pack is steered to its direction and the missiles are fired
Having an IR system that detects it or a radar that detects it doesn’t make you capable of intercepting it
Correct, but it will help the new RAM system (that uses a combined IR and RF) to locate the incomming ASM and attack it with the Sidewinder-based RAM (in case that the ASM escape the CEC controlled Standards and ESSMs). No matter how sinuous would be the final trajectory, a big ASM is no match for the agile RAM.
What makes you think the Russians can’t find a US sub? Even then, it was a retaliation weapon. When a US sub fires a torpedo, it will almost be certain that this will be a wire guided one. Russians can hear this torpedo. If they do this, they just fire a Shkval in the direction of that torpedo. A Wire guided one has btw a smaller range than a non-wire guided one, for obvious reasons
I did not say that the Russians cannot find an US sub. What I said is that in order to fire a Shkval, they had to get very close . The Russians had a lot of better, long-range options (ASMs) to attack a US ship from a bigger, i.e. safer distance.
A wire -guided torpedo isn’t shorter ranged compared to Shkval. While revolutionary in concept the Shkval has less that 1/4 of the range of a MK 48 torpedo (by the way the Shkval is not guided).
Russia is obviously ahead of everyone in terms of Anti-Shipping missiles, AAMs and Cruise Missiles (???)
I will comment only the AS portion. Many people believe that the Russians are ahead of the west in AS because they have longer-range, supersonic ones. In a aeronautical review (french) I red an article dealing with this subject. The author said that the west did not follow this path because the missile, going supersonic will let the other guy know that is comming, because:
1) in the first part of the trajectory, the missile is obliged to go ballistic, this will help a powerfull radar (SPY) would locate it (heped by the fact that these missiles are big as telephone poles);
2) in the last part, they will travel sea skimming. A flying object, going 2M at sea level, will heat so much, that you don’t need a very sophisticated IR system to see it.
On the other hand a Western system (Harpoon, Exocet) will let you know it is comming when it salmms in your ship. By the way, the anti shipversion of Tomahawk (BGM-109B TASM -Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile) that uses the Harpoon radar has a range of 500 km.
please tell me what the Shkval-M is based on? (I am talking about the western system it is based on, not the pervious model
The range of this torpedo is 10-15 km. If you think that that a sub can get so close to anything the West have undetected…
And a “mighty Russian” AAM has already been tested and successfully engaged a target at a range of 300km. 400km isn’t really all that much of a leap from there.
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If the test was like the one for the missile defense in the US,where the target has a beacon in it…
“Russian ARMs like Kh-58 AS-11 Kilter actually know where the target is in 3D space before it is launched”[B]
This could work if the emiting radar would not change its location (ground radar). An AWACS is moving all the time.
Also, I don’t know how the missile could know “where the target is in 3D space”. This would mean that the Flanker would have a geolocation capability (???).
The ALR 67 (V)3 radar warning receiver, the most modern in US fleet can only provide azimuth and elevation, not the range.
Even if these missiles would have an RF or IR seeker (around 25 km in range) it does not help alot, if the AWACS will change direction
According to The Journal of Electronic Defense, in 1999 in Kossovo, US and UK launched around 1000 HARMs and ALARMs. Less than 5 % of them scored against SAM sites (they did though forced the Serbs turning off the radaras).
Now if these missiles, fired from above, against fixed targets, from less than 40 km, did such a poor job, what would be the chance of a missile, even of a mighty Russian one (LOL) to score against a radar moving with 800 km/h at 400 km?