R-77 family, MICA family, TC-2 (?) from Taiwan, SD-something from China (probably SD-10), R-33/R-37, Derby excluded
:p R 77-the best missile in the world if you intend to score against airliner during the tests…
MICA-short range compared to the C 5 lofted profile(probably RF seeker comparable)…
SD 10, TC 12-non operational yet…
R 33- :p semi-active
R 37-dropped :p
“Derby excluded”-finally something wise :p
No no no, my friend.. It is YOU who has to find superior weapons to the rest of the world, not me. That easy to get I ain’t.
C 5-the best operational AAM
Compared to shooting down an aicraft with a cannon (under $5,000), yes it looks VERY expensive.
If the missile achieve a kill, than is a good investment.Otherwise, a cannon kill would imply a dogfight and dogfight is a great equaliser-you may drive an F 15C, an f 16 C or even an F 22 and get your ass kicked by a Mig 21…
You are forgetting one thing. Russkies have MUCH longer tradition in building high-performance airborne passive IR seekers than we Euros have, don’t see the point why the latest KOLS shall be inferior to Pirate.
It is only your personal anglo-saxon preference that lets you say *KOLS???!!! Made in Russia?! sheesh, forget it no way!!!!!*, but let us be honest, you know a sh!t about KOLS for your opinion to become objective
KOLS is a optical system (lens, scanning IR sensor) Pirate is an imaging array sensor… By the way, to avoid being accused of anglo-saxon prefference” i would rate OSF from Rafale much better than the KOLS :p …
Paul Metz must have been well paid by LM PR dept. For a house in Florida, Ferrari F360 and two local beauties on Hawaii as a bonus I would say anything, too..
Makes me wonder why we only hear superlatives about Typhoon’s capabilities from Maurizio Cheli, Wolfgang Schirdewahn or Chris Worning, superlatives about Rafale from Eric Gerard, superlatives about Su-3x from Anatoliy Kvochur or Yevgeniy Frolov.
That not the point; what he said (and I have no reason to suspect him of lying), is that the Raptor did passed the IR signature tests… That what ‘s important.
3. ..and.. Especially weapons are one field that Raptor does not necessarily excel in. AIM-120C has several serious counterparts today,
Really? Name a few…
You need superior weapons to make them dead. And Raptor does not have any..
The same question: name a few superior weapons, compared to AMRAAM…
Imagine an old MiG-21 being shot by AMRAAM, which is alone as expensive as the victim itself.. What a waste!
Flex, I heard this BS so many times. The price of an C 5 is $ 290,000! This looks expensive?
What makes you think enemies will operate isolated and depend solely on their airborne equipment? And what makes you think that there aren’t any airborne passive IR sensors with a search range quite exceeding the range of AMRAAM? Pirate? KOLS?
Pirate-maybe, KOLS no way (except for thr Russian weapons phanatics :diablo: )
Unless you got the measures taken to reduce the F/A-22’s IR signature – the ones you still have failed to mention
The measures to reduce IR signature are at least as clssifed as the measures to reduce the RF signature. However, Paul Metz (LM test pilot) declared that the Raptor IR signature was tested against the best IRST in the world (at least at that moment; however even today there are no comparable system except the EF Pirate and Rafale OSF): the AAS 42 of the F 14D. This sensor is credited with detecting “cold” targets over 100 km away. The Raptor passed the test…
1) If Chinese GDP is measured in PPP then it would rake 2nd or 3rd
…It would be the second largest with 7.(or, 😉 )700 bn$…[QUOTE]
but pegging isn’t all that bad since it protects the currency and creat stability
not to mention that the underevaluation of yuan helps exports…
However the Chinese economy grows at a atonishing rate of 9% a year and that will continue for at least a decade and that will make her surpass the EU in GDP in a very optimistic forecast or at least catch up with the EU`s GDP in a moderate forecast in less than two decades
In the 80′ the same was said about Japan (if Japan would keep the growth rate it will surpass US in 10 years; but Japan did not manage to keep this rate…)
I see that the link do not work.The data are from wikipedia and they quote the IMF statistaics. Here are the figures (I used copy/paste) :
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
This is a list of the world’s economies sorted by their Gross domestic product (GDP) at market or government official exchange rates. The data here is an estimation for the year 2005 produced by the International Monetary Fund in April 2005.Rank Country 2005 GDP (nominal)
millions of US dollars
— World 44,168,157
— European Union 13,926,873
1 United States 12,438,873
2 Japan 4,799,061
3 Germany 2,906,658
4 United Kingdom 2,295,039
5 France 2,216,273
6 People’s Republic of China (Mainland) 1,843,117
7 Italy 1,836,407
8 Spain 1,120,312
9 Canada 1,098,446
10 Russia 755,437
11 India 749,443
About the cumulated GDP of US and EU that’s 26.364 bn if you are from Europe or 26,364 bn if you are from US (.instead of , as 3 digit separators:) )
It is true that the GDP adjusted after purchasing power would push the Chinese close to US. However, the Chinese themself strongly oppose that type of calculation and do not pretend to have a higher GDP.
Some people here blabber on about economics yet without the slightest understand of the subject.
I did not pretend being an economist, I just quote some data I find on net… Sorry :diablo:
The figures given for the SA-10/SA-12 in the 1997-1998 almanac for the german magazine Military technology is 100 SA-12s for the army, and 2,000 systems of SA-10 and SA-12 for the PVO or air defence forces for the Russian federation alone. Belarus also had SA-12s, the Ukraine army and air defence forces also had SA-10 and SA-12s in service in numbers. The 95-96 almanac also lists 2,000 SA-10/SA-12 systems for the Russian federation PVO alone.
Are you shure that there are 2000 systems? the number seems very high. According to Global security, India purchased 6 SA300 systems with 1 bn. $. That means that 2000 systems (PVO) would have cost Russia over 300 bn. $
May be 2000 missiles?
3. So called Western economic supremacy no longer exists and hasn’t been for some time now.
Really?
According to the International Monetary Fund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29),
the GDP of US + EU= 26.364 bn $;
the GDP of China + India =2.592 bn $
That means that the GDP of China +India is 10 times less the GDP of US+EU.
So, how on earth the western economic supremacy “no longer exists and hasn’t been for some time now”?
China and India could well have the most dynamic economies, with the highest growing rate, but they have a long way until they could challenge the western supremacy (if ever)…
China a menace for Australia? :p
China is not taken seriously by Taiwan, so how can became a threat for Australia?
SRAAM and BVRAAM are damn near mutually exclusive. I could see a two-stage AAM operating without the booster as a short range AAM- maybe
Yes and no.
The 120 C 5 has been delivered with 70 deg. off-boresight capability (corresponding with the off-boresight coverage of the f 15 APG 63(V)1).
No big SAM made in thousands? That is funny. How many SA-1s were made? How many SA-2s were made? The Soviet Union had more SAMs than the rest of the world combined.
You are correct about this, the question should have been: how many thousands of SA10/SA12 were made/ordered?
May be that NK and SK have ‘K’ in common was reason enough for them to attack
yeah sure…
So who is a greater threat – Someone who has hundreds of nukes and will use it for a preemptive strike, or someone who ‘will develop’ nukes and ‘may’ use?
Gurus please clarify
Stupid judgement.
The country that “will develop’ nukes” and “may” use (NK) attacked SK in 1950 without any reason, provoking a war that result in ~2 million deaths. Now, this make good credentials for NK in your eyes?
China would only launch military ops against Taiwan if certain openly stated conditions were violated (or if a more extreme regime came to power to China – highly unlikely). These include:
a.) Taiwan declares independence
b.) Taiwan is under threat of foreign military intervention
c.) Taiwan descends into internal political strife.
I hope the Beijing will not consider the usual K 1 fights in the Taiwanese parliament as political strife :diablo:
Carlos is very good with equipment stats, capability and facts
He could be, but he presents facts in a distorsioned way. For example, in his crusade for F 22 he usually try to show how unsuitable is the F/A 18 for Australia. In doing so he compares the combat radius of the Hornet in low altitude bombing mission (~300 Nmiles) with the combat radius of the Flanker in air-to-air mission (~900 Nmiles) and the conclusion is that the Flanker has a combat radius 3 times bigger than the Hornet… He also ignores the fact that the non-navalised Aussie version is more agile and accelerates better than the USN version. He compare the NEZ of the AMRAAM with the kinematic range of the R 77 and he concludes that the R 77 has twice the range of the AMRAAM, and so on…
But then The SA-12 has been operational since the early 80s… how long has the THAAD been operational. How many thousand THAAD are operational now?
And how many thousands of SA12 are operational now? :diablo: I don’t recall a big SAM system ever made in “thousands”.
By the way, according to FAS site “In early 1996 Russia astounded the United States Army by marketing the Russian SA-12 surface-to-air missile system in the UAE in direct competition with the United States Army’s Patriot system. Rosvooruzheniye offered the UAE the highest-quality Russian strategic air defense system, the SA-12 Gladiator, as an alternative to the Patriot at half the cost”
Mid 90′ is something different from early 80’…
and give the United States more to ponder as it figures out how to deal with Venezuela.
Long-range, heavily armed Su-27s in the FAV’s possession, however, would complicate any U.S. military intervention in the region. Air superiority — gaining and maintaining total control of the air over the battlefield — is essential to U.S. military planning. In any U.S. operation against Venezuela, the formidable defensive obstacle presented by squadrons of Su-27s would have to be overcome before air superiority could be achieved.
If Chavez believes that two squadrons of Su 27 would stop US from invading Venezuela (if US would really consider this), he has serious mental problems…
Venezuela shoud better stick with beauty contest, this is the best they can do:D
Talk about innocent till proven guilty. They are moving forwards to create a conventional power generation capability.
Powergeneration my ass! If they are so innocent, why are they refusing IAE controls? IAE is an interantional body,it is not US.Every country wanting a peacefull nuclear program (power generation or research) must allow inspections. If the Iranians would be intersted in power generation, they wouldn’t build centrifuges for enrichment, since the Russians would provide the fuel.
Wasn’t the whole purpose of a Jewish bomb to counter any potential arab or in this case Persian bomb? I mean having been thrashed so many times by the Arabs in land, sea and in the air one is hard to explain why they wouldn’t want a nuke just to feel safe but come on…
When the Arabs thrashed the Israeli?Or it was a joke?
Read Khrushchev’s memories if you don’t believe me, he explains perfectly why he thought the Hungarian invasion was justified whereas he didn’t think the same of the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia
Khuscheov memoirs are the ultimate truth? Saddam plans to edit his from the prison. You bet the the attack of Iran,the crimes against Kurds and Shia,the invasion of Kuweit will be “perfectly explained” and justified…
Even though the US might not have planned an invasion of Iran in the past, you can’t deny that the US intentions could well have been percieved as hostile during, for example, the 1980s. And today just as well.
The facts are that until Iran started its nuclear program, not in a single ocasion did US mass forces at Iran border,draw plans for an invasion or even speakofan attack. The Airbus incident was regretable,but unlike the hostage taking of UA diplomats, not planed or even wanted.