JohnWooThe J-xx if it can match the f-16 blk 50 will be a good achievement for the chinese
Some people said J-10 can be a match to F-16 later blocks, I don’t know how true is it.
Reports said the developing XXj/J12 is twin engines, stealthy, f-22 class (Can it match up?) fighter, that’s why China has no interest to join PAK FA project.
JohnWooSure. Do you ever follow who wrote what? Go back and read the thread again.
Sorry, it is my bad. I thought your are making two opposite statements. 😡 😡
JohnWooNot to mention the Russians are toying around with the idea of selling them Backfires and HAVE sold them just about anything else they wanted to buy. Have they told them “nyet” on anything?
Now you are contradicting with your statements.
First you said Russia does not want to cooperate with China, now you change and said Russia wanted to sell many things to China.
Do you ever follow you own logic?
JohnWooYou’re kidding right? They’d buy most of the technology from them and steal the rest.
You kidding or me kidding?
Why should China spend billions of dollars to buy a technology that is not exist yet (only in electronic simulation form)? How can this technology be stolen it even not exist in this world?
JohnWooTo be honest its not really in Russia interest to co-operate at all with China
Then, why we saw reports that Russia was asking China to joint this project?
This is really contradicted with your statement.
JohnWoolol ! erm what help would china give Russia ???
A lot of $$$$$$ :diablo:
JohnWooWho says the XXJ program even exists? How can you be sure it even exists? 🙂
Huitong website has a description, CDF has a thread on it, USA CIA has reported, altough China Officially does not memtioned anything about it.
Just like J-10, no official words but there are a lot of photos flying arount the net.
JohnWooI’m surprised they didn’t mention China. While China doesn’t have the tech level (yet) they could certainly bankroll the thing.
China is not stupid to spend billions of dollars for a project controlled by another country. China will not get the return as much as Russia which gain more technology expertise. While spending all this big money, there is no guarantee this PAK FA will be a sucess.
Besides, China has a silmilar project doing all alone, that is XXJ/ J-12. Sucess or not, China will still gain more experience from his project.
JohnWooyeah yeah yeah, The IAI Lavi Elta El/M-2035 radar was offered to the J-10
Yeah, so sad that there was J7, if not Elta 2035 might win the bid for J10
an so you came to the conclusion the J-10 is indigenous
NOOOOO…, the only one conclusion I got from the help of you is J7 is a clone of Levi.
because again you give a excuse speculation as an answer saying MAYBE the J-7 was fitted with Elta EL/M-2035
Every one here staing their own speculation as argument. Very sad that some one even twisted the meaning of report and articles to fit into their own prejude mind, and especially you, the second one is me who learn from you.
heheheheheehehe yeah you maybe seems like you are re writining History
No, Flagger is the one rewrite the history and I am just one of the his fan readers.
😮 this would not bother the US simply becuase a J-7 is so primitive in fact is MiG-21 not a threat to the US
Whhooooo… China is so lucky not to mad the uncle sam with their J7s.
BTW, what is Mig-21, is it also a clone of Levi?
JohnWooI will repeat it until you give me satisfcatory answer, your answer is an expeculation he is talking about the J-7 hehehehehehehehehehehehe yeah 😉
Satisfcatory answer? Hey, you are the one who help me resolved this matter of which one J7 clone from. Lari is the one who helped you, and you are the one who helped me.
So A = B = C and then D must be equal to C, hey I am learning your logic, don’t you see!
perhaps he is talking about the X-6
Yeah? So X-6 incoporated into J6 then. You are a genius, you help me to solve alot of miseries.
heheheheheheheheheheheh, you only dodge the question and do not face it
Prove he is talking about the J-7 he is saying might have dirty hands because there were US concerns about the IAI Lavi, and there were reporst of IAI engineers working at Chengdu in the J-10, and is obvious that the J-10 was based in the IAI Lavi because four reason:same configuration, US reports of Israeli assistance and tech transfer of IAI Lavi technology, Israeli offering of the Elta EL/M2035 and Python 3 and four and last David Lari interview.
You are totally wrong again, when the time he refered, J7 was the fighter that was building in Chengdu and it was CHINA BEST FIGHTER at that time, it must be clone of Levi, may be a few numbers of J7 using Elta raders. That’s why Elta radar disqualified from the bid for J10. Since J7 has it, J10 don’t need it anymore. As a result, KLJ-3 (type 1473) was born.
Perhaps they put the canard in the J-10 is not it? heheheheheh
That’s why CHINA BEST FIGHTER J7, don’t you see?
May be some day they would eliminate carnard from J10, and the performance of J10 dramatically improved. Don’t you agree? if not agree then, prove it.
JohnWooDavid Lari said China recieved aircraft technology from China and he said some Israeli companies MIGHT have dirty hands.
That is really boring, you repeat this sentence again and again and .. for more than 10 times. His statement has many meanings, different readers has different understanding. For you, it was meant to J10 because of your prejude. For me, it was refer to J7, because J7 is a clone of Levi, they both have one air inlet and one engine and delta wing. But somehow, China didn’t satisfied with the canard, so they eliminated the canard from J7, as a result the performance of J7 dramatically improved.
At no moment he said no aircraft technology was transfered to China, he enfatically admits Israel sold and transfered aircraft technology.
He was an Israeli high official in fact he was a director of the Israeli defence ministry.
You are right, he was refering to J7 again.
tell me what military aircraft technology he is talking about? is it Lavi, Kfir, Phalcon? if the Israelies offered the IAI Lavi radar, the Elta EL/M-2035 for the J-10, so why the Israeli IAI Lavi was not of any use to the J-10 when both aircraft are so similar and the US claims Israeli technology got into the J-10 and it`s based on the IAI Lavi?
I believe he was refering to Levi, which he never stated, to incoporate into CHINA BEST FIGHTER J7, that’s why US later on be quiet becuase it has nothing to do with J10. At the end Elta was disqualify and Type 1473 is the winner.
Israel is the second largest weapons provider to China, China uses israeli military equipment in the PLAAF, builds Israeli military stuff under license, so you can see Israel has lots to gain from miliatry deals with China and that is Money because Israel in among the 5 World`s top arms exporters and China among the 5 world`s arms importers
Yeah, Israel sold many weapon systems to many third world countries like China, Indian, South Africa, Eastern Europeans, etc. What a shame to these large and big population coutries.
Do you satisfy?
JohnWooif you are born in the western hemisphere are you oriental? there are reports where is mention several possible common systems between the J-10 and Lavi Check the american scientists webpage, known systems are Elta EL-M-2035 and Python 3
You memtioned a word, “POSSIBLE”, do you know what does it mean? Whoever wrote these reports did not even sure what the true is, so they use the word “POSSIBLE”, it meant they also copied or echoed from some other source or media, which also reproduced from some other rumors. Only the fools belived these reports which no any hard evidences.
Elta? It was all over the internet that China may have a deal that J10 may use either Israel’s or Russia radar, but it turned out KLJ-3 (type 1473) is the winner for this project.
Python 3? Is it a fighter? Oh, I remember now. It is a SAM that China got lisence from Israel. Now, wait, what does have to do with J10 and Levi? What does it prove? Nothing!!! as I recall, Israel sold many weapon system (or upgrade Mig-21)to many countries, including Indian, China, South Africa, some east europeans etc. So, based on your logic, all these coutries are building a Levi clones.
Commo’n Flagger, don’t try to fool forum members here, you are only fooling you self, because of your prejudges, and sterotype upon China.
JohnWooNot really, mostly only Chinese claim the J-10 is Chinese, why?
What a ridiculous and a dump question!!!
J10 is made in China by Chinese company, funded by China Gov’t, and using Chinese Tech (may be some help from outside), only Chinese can claim it is Chinese, who else can claim?
Israeli and western members in the forum claim the IAI Lavi was related to the J-10 why?
Totally wrong again, NO MORE Israeli or Western members claiming that, ONLY you (Flagger) and (Brute) who are not Westerners keep claiming that because some hard feeling reasons.
The first allege was came from USA(CIA) way before J10 appeared, they need to prove what their claim is and they never did that. After J10 appeared, they shut their mouth up.
Only some forum members like you and your collaques keep using the old (rumor) documents as you reasons, but that is really dump.
If you guys have proves, show us the prove from some reliable source, showing all the same features of both planes, side by side comparison, and the name of technologies that J10 is using from Levi. Very glad to learn what I don’t know.
I don’t recall there is a single report showing all the detail J10 using from Levi. Don’t be a rumor monger and drive by your hard feeling.
JohnWooRead all these arguments, nothing can be approve that J10 is related to Lavi, but just some western alleges (especially from US).
Now, J10 is out(potoes are all over the internet), why US is quiet and not continuing their alleges, because they cannot find any single connection between 2 planes.
J10 shuts their mouth up.
JohnWooIs this realy a Yuan or something else?
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