Purpose of any forums is to ask, Q, & get a fair explanation on the subject matter. But some ppl with tinted nationalism do like to Q the persons integrity & their race & dont bother to give specific answers. So whose the problem maker, guy asking Q or guy bring everything nonsense & not answering them.

I will like to repeat again the Q earlier asked,
What is the feedback on chinese weapons exported tilldate?

Hopefully this thread is not repeating like the previous one, so I might just answer the question.

For two days I have been trying to search reports in the internet about the feedback, but I couldn’t find any. I think no any feedback has been published.

I think Chinese posters here are the same like you, and I don’t think anyone here has any kind of report. So, if you keep asking the same question here, it is just wasting your time.

If you really insist to know, then you might want to contact each individual user, their answer is most likely be truth.

Or you can find some kind of report somewhere, then you can create another separate thread so people who interested can discuss in there.

Since, no one has any kind of answer that you are asking, let’s move on and stick to the topic.

If you lose interest since no info about what you are looking for, then you are free to go anywhere else.

Thank you.

John

No one here argued that Chinese quality is great, this thread is just about the listing of exported products. Not that they refuse to talk about the quality, is that they are not qualified to talked about it.

If you insist to ask “how good’ or “how bad”, then you are asking a stupid question in this thread

Anyone with a reasonable logic know:
1) Chinese posters have NO qualification to rate their own products.
2) Only the users has a right to rate how is the quality.
3) You should go and ask those buyers, they have a very right to tell you and their answer is most likely to be truth.
4) Or you can google and find the answer you want, I believe you can find some info there.

How I am the drone? Am I the one conforming to authority…blindly following whats stated by the politbureau and other commie dicts.

A drone, in my definition, who feel himself so superior over other and keep calling others drone.

I definately dont want to close this this thread PROVIDED someone here gives us ENOUGH reasons to keep this chinese export worship thread open.

Who are you here? Are you admin in this forum? What kind right you have to decide what information should be posted here?

This thread is definately worth keeping IF:
1) we can discuss export product quality
2) why its high/low and what can be done to improve it or maintain it

If not…I agree with the admin

So you are NOT admin here, right? What kind of BS are you talking here?
When was admin had agreement with you?

this thread is definately a waste of bandwith

You are the one posting garbage here and asking stupid questions here and you are the one biggest waste of bandwith here. Oh, I saw a second biggest waste of bandwith in this forum, a failed and crashed engine thread called “World Class Engine”.

and is just a space to inline images of mediocre soviet knockoffs like AN-12 and Mig-19/21. So this is your chance to redeem yourself.

So, you have no interest on the information presented in this thread, right? Why are you wasting your time in here? You can go back to you one fantasy thread, and you have many of you own fellows who is blindly follow your BS.

HA . . . AGREE WITH THE ADMIN, keep making up.

There is a report, possibly from KANWA, that China acquired OLS-31E for J-11 manufacture. This is the IRST used on the Su-30s, but apparently it is also being used on the J-11s. This is one example of direct sourcing.

Yes, it was reported by Kanwa, I have just read an article in his monthly magezine.

By the way George, where is your similar contract for India’s Su-30 engines, huh? And how come Salyut’s order book never rose by one billion before because of your voluminous engine sparing factor for your Su-30s as you claim huh?

That’s because Sukhoi got the 3.3 bln 190MKI contract and the so called engine contract was included in there.
Then, Sukhoi pocketed the whole 3.3 bln and Salyut never got a penny from it.
But it does have to provide free engines.

Is that Possible? 🙁

Sad Salyut, very sad indeed. 😡

I didnt make up 920

I did not say you made it up. I saw number is floating in the net, CII, BR etc.

…i gave you a source…now if you want to see Lyulka Log books like I am sure you have seen and smelt KNAAPO long books or Salyults long books and know more than what your shiny brouchures tell you coz that as close to an a/c as you will ever get then what can I do? Who is the delusional one here? You are the one who didnt have the patients to follow up to Page2 of your google search to see the exact source: AWST 2001 for the # and you call me delusional?? Right.

I did saw that you had posted AWST as your source a few pages before this. Unfortunately, I don’t have the publication, that’s why I kept asking these questions: “Is it a still plan stage or a done (already contracted deal)? Or is there any official announcement from HAL or IAF?”
I didn’t specifically address you as delusional, (not over the number) but to those people whoever feeling so superior over the other. If you think that is offensive to you, then, I will take it back and I give my apology to you.

I think I have proved my point over and over. The Su-30K’s were never grounded coz yours truly has been there done that and coz their spares and maintainance is what you expect from a professional airforce that been bitten badly once before. Just coz you dont want to believe it does not mean its not ture..

Grounding and cannibalization is a common process for many AFs including USAF, for problem fixing. You don’t need to be so mad and calling other as drones or whatever. At this time frame, no high alert of being a war, it is beneficiary for one’s aviation industry to learn from grounding, problem finding, and problem fixing process (including improving the aircraft condition). It won’t learn anything by lazy process, hence just change the engines.

After all you come from a country where google searches are now going to be controlled. What else can I expect from your thought process. Similar monotonicity? Well thats what drones do

I did not came from that country you are referring, but I came from a country that its people (and gov’t officials) believe using cow *** to protect them from a nuclear attack in this 21 Century. MAN! I must be a drone. 😡

About you guys not understanding english? Please see how many times I have to repeat myself to make sure you drones understand a single point and keep you on track. This is not a discussion, this is you guys having an axe to grind…and being delusional enough not to look up simple reference to information to the contrary.

Frankly, English is not my first language. However, I was also educated in North America, and I don’t think I would have problem reading and expressing myself.
One most important thing I learned is, when expressing a subject, go to the subject direct, do not wandering around and talk garbage.

As far as the name calling goes. Well the honourable adminstrator/chief drone is the one who started resorting to name calling somewhere along Page4 after he/she/it figured that it really cannot defend this cannibal/grounding argument or bring down the IAF to the level of PLAAF. It aint my fault. I just pay back with interest. Kinda makes you think what kind of an admin does one make if you starte making grandois arguments and then resort to name calling once you start seeing your sand castle being systematically washed out. But then I remember this is Oracle’s AFM.

honourable adminstrator/chief?

If one is really interested, one can get the proceedings from the first event. That would pretty much resolve the 920 number.

That event said nothing about the 920 engines. It just a summery of a conference held by CII and HAL, and HAL Koraput engine division also presented in the event.

Added later: One can deduce from the level of interaction between CII and HAL, that CII is not just a run of the mill non-governmental and non-profit org. It’s a very well connected and influencial org.

Agree that CII may have connection with HAL. Too bad CII never mentioned where they got the engine news from. If you assume HAL provided information to CII since they have some connection, then there are questions still remain.

1) Why HAL secretly provide info to CII but never announced publicly?
2) Why Indian and int’l medias did not p/u the news?
3) Is the info provided just a plan or contracted deal?
4) If the deal is finalized, why there is no any UN record of sale?
5) Why Russia remained silence since it is a good boost or advertisement opportunity?

As of now, I don’t see any concrete evidence that the deal is finalized. Whoever using it as their supporting argument (to pull up IAF level) should provide us with the official documentation, otherwise it is just a delusion.

I applaud you for taking the effort to google. BR is far from a fan boy site like the rest of the stuff you see. BRF maybe but not BR. But then again I really cant expect much from some folks.

BR is not IAF, nor run by Indian government. It is not officially run site. People who run this site are like you and other fans, or perhaps some retired Indian military personals. Nevertheless, it is still a fan site.

That said I would really appreciate if you folks bothered to read my posts. You see I am posting coz I happen to read the garbage that some other folks post about “both countries”. So I guess if you folks still want to keep up the semblence of this being a respectable forum, the least you guys ought to do is READ. I understand that english may not be your forte’ but I dont think that stands in the way of some ppl (not you specifically)

What are you implying? If we don’t read your posts, how should we know that you are the one mentioned 920 engines? And how can we have a discussion with you?
Please do make sense.

when trying to bring down the IAF to the level of the PLAAF.

You kept repeating this sentence for more than 5 times, you afraid no one understand the level of IAF and PLAAF. You seem to be so proud of IAF level. But, what kind of level IAF is now in your mind? And how much do you know PLAAF level?
1 example you have used is using 7 engines as spare for 1 IAF fighter which implied IAF never ground its SU-30. Then one thing right out of mind that is WOW! IAF level is even better than USAF which occasionally grounded its fighters for problem fixing.
Unfortunately for you, your example of 920 engines(7 spare per one) did not support your argument as of now since it is not materialized yet (or maybe it will never happen). There is no any official announcement from HAL, IAF, or the Russian. You are just repeating some number from some fan sites to here.
Show us some official documentation.
If you can’t, you are just using planned (or rumor) number to support your argument, which the creditability is zero at best.