Hi Eagle, I think most turbofans for fighters of the 1970s had a low bypass-ratio. I have in mind F404, RD-33, RB199 and M53. I’m not sure if the F404 has worse specific fuel consumption compared to the others? If I had to guess, I’d say that the M53, with its single shaft, is the engine with the disadvantage, we’d want to find the figures, though.
Low bypass is relative of course, when talking about fighter engines, I’d say we are in the range of 0.2 to 1 BPR.
In that context, the F404 with its about 0.3 BPR is low, whereas something like the F110-100 with its 0.87 BPR is a high bypass fighter engine.
Here’s some figures for specific fuel consumption, dry, lb/lbf hr (from http://www.jet-engine.net/miltfspec.html)
F404-GE-400: 0.853
RD-33: 0.74
RB.199-34R-04 Mk.105: 0.637
M53-P2: 0.853
F100-PW-229: 0.726
F110-GE-100: 0.745
So you can see your low BPR engines like F404 or M53 use quite a bit more fuel compared to the higher BPR alternatives.
A single F125IN (max afterburner) can produce up to 9080 lbf – https://aerospace.honeywell.com/en/learn/products/engines/f125
But a single F404 is rated between 17,700 and 19,000 lbf https://www.geaviation.com/sites/default/files/datasheet-F404-Family.pdf
That is double the F125IN.
Yes, double so 2x F125 equals one F404.
The F125IN version for the Jag seems to be slightly derated. No reason to use that version outside the Jaguar. 9250 to 9500 lbf are mentioned for other applications.
More importantly though, the weight of the engines is not in F125’s favour. It’s not a 600 pounds engine, but 1360 lbs. That’s 2720 vs about 2300 lbs for a single F404. So you would need about a 10500 lbs version to match the F404’s thrust-to-weight ratio.
So even with its worse fuel consumption, a single F404 is the better alternative – unless Honeywell can offer a lot of extra thrust. In practice I mean, in theory there’s the proposed advanced versions with 12500 up to 16400 lbf of thrust.
LOL. How much thrust do you think 2 X F-125IN produce? 40 kN in afterburner! So with 2 X F-125IN it’ll produce even less thrust than the existing F-404-IN20. Adour is no better, and heavier than the F-125IN. If anything, the IAF is VERY happy with the F-404 engine. In multiple interviews this has been mentioned. the previous Air Chief Marshal in an interview mentioned that the F-404 consumed less fuel at 7,000 ft-10,000 ft than a MiG-21 consumed at 33,000 ft. Even earlier, it has been said that the F-404 is a “fuel sipper” of an engine. Plus it’s reliable.
Check your numbers. The F125 is rated at more than 9000 lbf of wet thrust, depending on sources (and variants I guess) up to 9500 lbf. Per engine of course.
The F404 is very reliable, true. But not that economical. This should come as no surprise considering its low bypass ratio.
Compared to an R-25 turbojet, any modern turbofan is a fuel sipper.
Yes I pointed out the position of the canards. And indeed they added some structure to rectify that problem if you remember.
If this is again just some unrealistic visualization, why bother with that? Why not simply show a realistic concept?
OK, to be fair I guess these renderings are intended for a different target audience. But still it makes it harder to take it seriously, and that is unnecessary imho.
What engine is planned for this TEDBF/naval deck based fighter?
Clearly not F404/F414 engines, as those won’t fit as shown by Deino on his Twittererer I think.
Also cool that the ORCA apparently doesn’t require a main landing gear 😉
A new build already exists: JAS 39 Gripen.
Gripen complies with the same 800 meter take-off and landing requirements.
It is lighter and cheaper, with at least the same payload/range capabilities. Gripen E certainly has more.
Needless to say, it is way more advanced 😉
For the US market, there’s the Boeing T-7…
Those were the days…
And I’m feeling quite old now.
BTT: Yes the new forum is a trainwreck. I visit many forums, not one uses this layout. There are some established, very good forum softwares, why not just use one of them?
And as I just noticed, the emoticons are terrible.
[ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:”none”,”data-size”:”full”,”title”:”Scan00053.jpg”,”data-attachmentid”:3874760}[/ATTACH]
found on http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/
RAF Typhoons.
Most likely on their way from Oman where they took part in Exercise Magic Carpet to Butterworth airbase, Malaysia for exercise Bersama Lima 2019.
Source.
Even with air to air refuelling, they had a few stops along the way:
This year’s exercise provided the first opportunity for Gripens to use tankers during Red Flag, and was also the first time the Swedish aircraft had deployed to and from the USA with air-to-air refuelling support, in the form of two USAF KC-10s. This meant the number of required and planned stops could be reduced from six or seven landings used on earlier deployments, to only three.
That was in 2013, and they stopped at Lajes. In earlier Red Flags, AAR wasn’t possible and they needed six or seven stops. From here.
Air Force announces newest Red Tail: ‘T-7A Red Hawk’
The Air Force’s all-new advanced trainer aircraft, the T-X, has officially been named the T-7A Red Hawk.
[ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:”none”,”data-size”:”small”,”data-attachmentid”:3873845}[/ATTACH]
Congratulations, no naming shenanigans this time. :applause:
Well, sort of, as the USAF has two training aircraft designation sequences… the one where the T-6 Texan II is the latest before T-X, and the one where the Cirrus T-53 is the latest. :sleeping:
Belgian Air Force wet-leases 2 Falcon 7X’s for VIP transport.
The deal with Dassault has a vallue of €124 million and involves 2 Falcon 7X aircraft, these will replace the Embraer 135/145 wich will be put up for sale.
the deal was made without public knowledge, the contract has a period of 12 years.opinion: the deal has caused a stir in public opinion, especialy as the Belgian Armed Forces are underfunded and are struggling to pay wages to its personel.
also the high cost of the deal raises questions, at that cost, they could have simply bought them, or lease executive aircraft from Belgian air charter companies.
Your headline says wet lease while the article says dry lease…
A dry lease seems to be better suited for an air force. 😉
[ATTACH=JSON]{“alt”:”Click image for larger version Name:t150626-F-YG608-010.JPG Views:t0 Size:t159.1 KB ID:t3873296″,”data-align”:”none”,”data-attachmentid”:”3873296″,”data-size”:”full”,”title”:”150626-F-YG608-010.JPG”}[/ATTACH]
The first F-39 will perform flight tests in Sweden until the end of 2020, then continue flight tests in Brazil.
If I had to guess, I’d say AAR certification of the E model will be part of the flight tests before going to Brazil.
Probably still going to include 1 or 2 stops… maybe Gando air base (Gran Canaria/Spain).
Fly there? It’s not like the Gripen can’t cross the Atlantic…
LMFS , On Mig-41 program the last boss of Almaz-Antey Igor Ashurbeyli had said in an interview that the next generation SAM that they were working on wont be land based but will be only Air Based.
The S in SAM stands for surface… it’s a surface to air missile. If carried by an aircraft, a missile is not a SAM but an AAM – an air to air missile.
Besides, AAMs are no replacement for SAMs. Each system has advantages and disadvantages. Obviously an AAM doesn’t need a booster to get off the ground. But then it needs an aircraft…
Is this the same guy who’s fantasizing about a Mach 4 interceptor? Probably has seen Firefox too many times. :highly_amused: