This thread is about “fighters”. Not bombers, attack aircraft or interceptors.
F-4E. A good choice, until the F-14 comes out, then to the F-15.
The way I understand it, it’s about the search for one combat aircraft to equip your air force. Naturally, that has to be something with a robust A/A capability but also A/G. So one multirole fighter to equip your air force. I’m not sure a 70s Tomcat beats a late model F-4E in the A/G area.
Interesting that they use the Block 32D as aggressor aircraft. The GE aircraft have always been stated to have better overall performance, but maybe the aggressors prefer the lighter block 32’s.
Aggressors surely would prefer the big motors, but Blocks 40/50 are reserved for frontline units while Blocks 30, 42 with -229 engine and 52 are reserved for ANG/reserve units. Blocks 32 and 42 with -220 engines are what’s left.
Alaskan aggressors fly Block 30 though. From a climate perspective, it would make sense to swap with Nellis.
How about the F-4E.
First flight in 1967. The slatted wing, which is the one to have, was introduced in 1972. Many USAF units didn’t get the E model before ’70 and before the F-15 achieved IOC in ’75, it was state of the art. For a while longer as a multi-role jet.
I’m gonna say Hunter. 4x 30 mm guns for the win. Later upgrades offer Sidewinders and robust A/G capabilities with AGM-65. Can be kept until the 90s if you’re really desperate 😀
Only possibility remains that a larger country decides to develop a new plane on their own, again for political reasons and advancing its knownhow base, and then tries to offset some expenses by selling their product. So far best chances of that seems to be the new prospective Turkish trainer, which seems it will be in T-50 size, which means it may one day be turned into some sort of combat aircraft.
Or the new Ukrainian fighter. To be powered by two АI-322F engines for a total thrust of 8400 kg. If it ever sees the light of day, I wouldn’t be surprised if it looked a lot like the L-15 aka Yak-130M.
The question was you could only have one aircraft. The F-111 could only drop it bombs and runaway. It could not defend itself. It only had a gun if you put it in the bomb bay, reducing payload or fuel.
OK back to the original question then. If you can have only one aircraft, it’s neither of those because they’re both useless as fighters. I disagree with your anti F-111 post of course but that’s not the point 😉
If we define fighter for the 60s as one that needs to be in service for at least half the 60s, i.e. entry into service no later than 1965, that leaves out a few options. No F-4E f.e. Not sure I would want a gunless F-4, so the Mirage III would probably be my choice. Powerful guns and 2 IR missiles, great. As an allrounder probably better than the F-104 which would be my second choice.
The F-105 was just as capable, more advanced version came about briefly before McNamara’s flunkies made sure it was no longer used, as would have been the proposed B-58 TAC version.
The Air Force wanted more Thuds badly beforre McNamara killed production. The F-111 was not capable of defending itself, the F-105 was.
Pilots who flew it said nothing could catch the Thud at low altitudes.
In what ways was the F-105 just as capable? Can’t be payload/range. Or avionics, think low level terrain following at night and in bad weather. Speed? The 111 is faster. Self defence? The 111 could outrun pretty much everything and could carry Sidewinders. Internal gun possible.
Just to give you some numbers: Ferry range for the F-105 with full internal (i.e. with weapons bay fuel) and external (3 tanks) fuel: 1917 nm. FB-111 ferry range without external, with weapons bay fuel: 3033 nm. 4313 nm with 6 drop tanks.
Granted, the FB-111 carried somewhat more fuel than the F-111 versions, but you see where this is going. The F-111 is vastly more capable.
I recommend this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-hrrMlksNA
When we looked into the much more important flight behavior, the related accident-rate in the hindsight, the ones with a true Mach 1,5 capability were more than enough. The F-5E for the 60s had been the most cost-effective solution.
F-5E first flight: 1972
F-5A: no radar, not exactly what you would want to be the core of your fighter force.
It seems you are right:
https://www.facebook.com/Truppendienst/posts/1622983254381157
I don’t think they train for any air to ground roles these days. Certainly not with the Saab 105, only 12 are to remain in use and receive a modest update with more modern instruments. Their role is air policing (with gun pods) and training. The 15 strong EF fleet initially shared a whopping 12 IRIS-T missiles, maybe more have been acquired since, but no other weapons (aside from 27 mm rounds). That leaves the PC-7. The pic above with rocket pods is from 2005. I don’t think they’re still in use. They do use 12.7 mm MG pods for the slow mover interceptor role.
No idea if the A/G stuff is stored somewhere.
@ Vnomad:
That F-5F is carrying an ECM pod under the left wing, Ericsson VISTA 5/Erijammer A-100 used for ECM training and nowadays flying on the PC-9. The bomb shaped thing on the other side is just a counterweight, not a bomb.
Does anyone have any photographs of ANY of the Austrian air force planes, from 1970s until today, carrying a bomb or a rocket pod? Any image of any plane (including trainers) with any kind of bomb would suffice.
There’s a couple of pics of Saab 105 armed with Rockets: http://www.doppeladler.com/oebh/luftfahrzeuge/saab105.htm
The fighter bomber role has since been discarded.
Thanks eagle. that makes sense. sounds like really, they should consider Gripen or golden eagles.
But they have already asked for more than QRA and Saab didn’t even want to reply so that ship has sailed.
next question. are you and eagle1 rivals? German Swiss vs French Swiss?
No. eagle1 is French French afaik 😉
The RNAF swap QRA duties with the BAC every 4 months, under a joint air policing pact signed in 2015.
They also coordinate closely on overseas deployments with joint bases and detachments with the BAC & RNAF aircraft relieving each other annually or biannually.
I’m aware of that.
But with shrinking fleets, cooperations of that kind will become a must rather than optional.
It’s RNLAF btw., or KLu 😉
question. why is the typhoon too expensive to do QRA and the Rafale and F-35 not? even though as you said, they are all around the same price
They’re all too expensive and overkill for simple QRA duties.
I ranked them for out of area ops – 1. F-35, 2. Rafale, 3. EF.