Why? In what scenario would the Swiss air force undertake strike missions?
As I said, to regain basic knowledge. So that in the event of a crisis, it doesn’t take x years to rebuild the air force, but x minus y years only. That’s the theory.
Scenario? The mission of the Swiss Army, of which the Swiss AF is part of, is to defend Switzerland. Any national defence scenario that requires air defence probably requires A/G too.
Surely all the contenders provide good enough basic A/G capabilites.
SH, Rafale and Gripen have the edge in recce capabilites thanks to their dedicated recce pods – but I don’t think the Swiss AF asks for more than RecceLite etc. can deliver.
Not necessarily, IMO. Switzerland cannot even maintain 24/7 watch of its own airspace currently. Dominance is hardly something to aim for when you cannot even scramble a single jet in response to an air violation for several hours of the day and instead depend on your neighbors to do it for you.
The first target has to be adequate number of airframes and pilots to be able to meet a 24/7 QRA requirement 365 days of the year.
Switzerland thus far can’t mantain a 24/ QRA because 24/7 QRA wasn’t required before 2014. Not because there aren’t enough airframes. It’s currently being implemented, to be completed before the end of 2020 – as it says in the link you posted above.
You don’t need more than 24 airframes for that.
30-40 jets are required for round the clock CAP for some days, as specified in official requirements.
I agree though that this is not about air dominance. Not even proper air defence – 60-70 fighters are required to provide credible air defence.
Besides 24/7 QRA and limited CAP, the 30-40 fighters should allow to regain knowledge in the fields of A/G and recce, lost in 1994 and 2003 resp.
Saab’s T-X parts will be built in a US factory. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saab-nears-decision-on-us-facility-for-t-x-work-455834/
If SweAF is allowed to grow back to 120 fighters, they can decide what to do with legacy Gripens once the order of 60 E models is nearing completion. By that time, they’ll probably know which next gen. project Sweden will be part of and when to expect the new jets. Can always order more E/F models if necessary.
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He insults the east I insult the west by bringing up actual reports from sources that are accountably true.
I’m sorry to hear you actually think those “reports” are true.
Here’s some free advice for you: As a rule of thumb, any source using yellow font can’t be taken seriously. It’s called yellow press for a reason. Also applies to aviation related stuff btw. … so back to topic.
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They just don’t have the resources or even talent to keep up with the “West” anymore”
Showing your true colours again, nice.
GTFO.
Oh btw, they knew they shot down an F-16D because that was the picture first used in articles when writing about an F-16 kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#/media/File:Pakistani_F-16.jpg
Probably used that pic because it’s public domain…
Since that picture clearly shows an F-16D, it must have been an F-16D that got shot down. Obvious logic is obvious. :very_drunk:
Here’s the deal, its quite obvious from your posts that you are as nationalist as any Indian out there and will equally do everything to claim no F-16 was shot down etc. That’s fine, that’s your prerogative, but please lay off the spiel about 4x missiles (when 2 are clearly missing significant portions which would well indicate they are wreckage from an intercept), heck, the Pak side even has access to the PRC to get a handful of low cost R-73Es to play around with it as it sees fit. Lets even discount the amount of consistent evidence the Indian side has provided (AWACS footage, R/T calls, AMRAAM wreckage) while the Pakistani side has been making inconsistent remarks from day one and has provided NO evidence to point out that all its F-16s were safe. Now you want the Indian side to not even mention that. Whereas if it were a US Russian conflict or anything of the sort, you would be the first to constantly point out the obvious discrepancies.
That’s the kind of post I was thinking about when I wrote making yourself look like fools…
Missiles missing parts indicates an intercept how? Firing only parts of the missile? :stupid:
Evidence? What evidence? Show me any evidence.
Again, saying you have evidence is not evidence. Evidence is evidence.
Why don’t they just show the radar tracks then, or even better satellite imagery as [USER=”40269″]FBW[/USER] mentioned must exist.
Saying you have proof is not the same as actually having proof. Show the proof or stop making yourself look like fools.
I don’t think that was ever mentioned in any official RFI made public though I would have to go back and read the couple of solicitations that I did manage to save years ago.
I thought I read something about how the RAM turbine was supposed to be lower drag than the propellers but I can’t find anything about that now. So it’s probably nothing… Well maybe they just hoped the new design would reduce drag.
Anyway, my suspicion that the new pods are draggier is true: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25180/the-navys-new-jamming-pods-for-its-ea-18g-growlers-cut-back-their-range
Wasn’t IDS supposed to do air superiority?
The IDS? I don’t think so Tim…*
Not sure if the IDS radar even has any A/A modes. The twin AIM-9 at least provide an emergency QRA capability, similar to the RAF Hawk fleet.
* unless of course levelling enemy air fields is considered air superiority…
OK here goes.
Mirage IIIE have been a better choice than F104
No. The F-104 was first and foremost a nuclear bomber, delivering US special weapons. Not possible with Mirage III.
F-4E should have been adopted not the castrated F4F w/o bvr weapons
Due to the deletion of Sparrow black boxes and one fuselage tank, the F-4F was quite a bit lighter. Coupled with slats this meant having the best performing F-4 for WVR combat.
The role of German F-4s was to combat anything that got through the BVR interceptor screen (provided by other air forces) and SAM belt. BVR missiles were not deemed necessary for that role, esp. considering their poor performance at the time.
F16 or F18 should have been bought rather than investing so much in tornado IDS
Neither of which is a domestic product.
And of course they’re also completely outclassed by the Tornado in the low level (nuclear) strike role. No TFR for starters.
I thought the NGJ pods were supposed to have lower drag than the old ALQ-99 pods. Hard to imagine. Unlikely the low-band pod is going to be any smaller.
Those SH CFTs will come in handy, however range will still be quite poor compared to regular SHs flying with center tank and CFTs or F-35Cs. CFTs plus wing tanks is probably not an option.
Well it’s because J-31 look closer to US approach. XD
Probably… though I’m not really sure if [USER=”1416″]Scooter[/USER]’s obsession with a Russian “J-31” is just his idea of a running gag…
Or maybe in his F-35-uber-alles world the F-35 is the bestest, cheapest super fighter for everyone. If your air force for whatever reason can’t be part of the illustrious F-35 circle, the only viable alternative is “J-31”. Because it looks similar to an F-35. :very_drunk:
J-31 in quotes because obviously no such thing actually exists.
Maybe – probably – one day China will have another VLO fighter besides the J-20. Russian AF will not have the same type.
That Indonesian Su-30 is a CGI.
https://www.deviantart.com/siregar3d/art/Su-30MK2-TNI-AU-v2-259017714
And the ASRAAM will at least give them a decent self-defence capability. Putting a small AESA radar into the nose and changing the nose profile, as on the Jaguar DARIN III should have been explored as well, but the cost of the upgrade would have gone up significantly. But if the IAF wants that, it should be possible as well.
Interesting stuff, turning the Hawk into a viable light attack aircraft.
Integrating a radar would not be so simple though. There is no space in the nose for a radar let alone provisions for cooling and power supply. Look at the Hawk 200 – the added avionics basically occupy the front seat area.
Such a modification would not only be pretty expensive but also extensive, resulting in a different aircraft, and defeat the purpose of having combat-ready trainers for war-time emergencies.