lightning F57The vast majority of people of the islamic faith will look at this cartoon episode as Europe and the wests hypocrasy on freedom of expression. There are different rules for everyone.
lightning F57The vast majority of people of the islamic faith will look at this cartoon episode as Europe and the wests hypocrasy on freedom of expression. There are different rules for everyone.
lightning F57If you regard the defence of freedom of speech as foolish then you morals are severely misplaced.
The problems are not about free speach here though, Europe is full of hypocrisy, in most european countries if you deny the holocaust or question the full historical account you go to jail for a very long time. Where is the free speach in that?, the Iranians produced some distasteful pictures about the holocaust if European press is so upbeat about free speach why did they not show them?.
Two years ago the Catholic church won a court injunction to ban a fashion ad based on the Last Supper. The judge said the ad was “a gratuitous … act of intrusion on people’s innermost beliefs.”
In sweden a clergyman told his congregation that homosexuality was a “deep cancer tumour” on society. He was soon after rushed to the court. Hes conviction was overturned by swedish courts they ruled that his comments were protected by free speech laws. the clergyman said “I wanted to spark a debate and I’ve done that” the same thing the newspapers say about the cartoons today.
Lastest news these days about 5 muslim guys were jails for downloading, viewing and sharing extremist propaganda, where is the freedom in speach in that. They have now been released as no connections to any terrorism was linked to them, they were jailed because of curiosity.
A muslim woman was given a suspended sentence for writing poetry glorifying terrorism/violence.
In the US several states have restricted funeral protests from anti-gay christian protesters who have said the soldiers killed in recent conflicts such as in Iraq died because they were gay. The states gives “a constitutional right to state their opinion” but have curbed these nevertheless.
I could go on endlessly and give examples. If one answers by saying on the moral high ground or to act against inciting hatred then why depict satire images branding all muslims as terrorists which itself is inciting hatred very well knowing it will cause sensitivities within the minorities living in Europe. If european press has nothing better to do than look for ways of instigating seperation than cohesion then morals are clearly lacking.
lightning F57If you regard the defence of freedom of speech as foolish then you morals are severely misplaced.
The problems are not about free speach here though, Europe is full of hypocrisy, in most european countries if you deny the holocaust or question the full historical account you go to jail for a very long time. Where is the free speach in that?, the Iranians produced some distasteful pictures about the holocaust if European press is so upbeat about free speach why did they not show them?.
Two years ago the Catholic church won a court injunction to ban a fashion ad based on the Last Supper. The judge said the ad was “a gratuitous … act of intrusion on people’s innermost beliefs.”
In sweden a clergyman told his congregation that homosexuality was a “deep cancer tumour” on society. He was soon after rushed to the court. Hes conviction was overturned by swedish courts they ruled that his comments were protected by free speech laws. the clergyman said “I wanted to spark a debate and I’ve done that” the same thing the newspapers say about the cartoons today.
Lastest news these days about 5 muslim guys were jails for downloading, viewing and sharing extremist propaganda, where is the freedom in speach in that. They have now been released as no connections to any terrorism was linked to them, they were jailed because of curiosity.
A muslim woman was given a suspended sentence for writing poetry glorifying terrorism/violence.
In the US several states have restricted funeral protests from anti-gay christian protesters who have said the soldiers killed in recent conflicts such as in Iraq died because they were gay. The states gives “a constitutional right to state their opinion” but have curbed these nevertheless.
I could go on endlessly and give examples. If one answers by saying on the moral high ground or to act against inciting hatred then why depict satire images branding all muslims as terrorists which itself is inciting hatred very well knowing it will cause sensitivities within the minorities living in Europe. If european press has nothing better to do than look for ways of instigating seperation than cohesion then morals are clearly lacking.
lightning F57As delusional as thinking the “Reds” are potentially back in full force. And the people in Russia, oh there doing just great!
Its kind of low to attach a picture of a poor suffering person.
lightning F57From the way Russia has been poking around other countries airspace and waters lately its the rest of us who should be concerned about them!
I find that comment rather ironic and funny.
lightning F57Putin vows ‘arms race’ response
The Russian bear is back!!!
lightning F57No ‘islamophobia’ at all, just serious concerns about human rights.
Lets look at all this in context, a Christian Archbishop mentioning having some aspects of Shariah law for muslims to deal with marriage settlements, children and finance ect. Go onto the BBC Have your say website and have a look at the reaction asking people to go to islamic countries if they have a problem. What I find wrong about that is muslims arnt asking for Shariah within the UK now I hate to imagine had the head of muslim council of GB had said something like that which im glad he didnt. look at some of the responses in this thread alone:
pete trumans comments
Under Sharia law, what hapens to the bodies, limbs etc of people mutilated, stoned, beheaded, blown apart with Kalashnikovs or explosives, will they be dumped outside of Bradford Woolworths for all to see as an ‘example’
i mean where has adding whole of shariah law been mentioned? for gods sake a christian head of church is talking about a few family laws which are already in practise but not recognised within the UK system. So allot of people are blowing this out of context. Islamaphobia is on the rise in the UK, people get scared and jump the gun, more racial and religious motivated attacks have increased against minority groups and things like this will only increase community tensions.
lightning F57No ‘islamophobia’ at all, just serious concerns about human rights.
Lets look at all this in context, a Christian Archbishop mentioning having some aspects of Shariah law for muslims to deal with marriage settlements, children and finance ect. Go onto the BBC Have your say website and have a look at the reaction asking people to go to islamic countries if they have a problem. What I find wrong about that is muslims arnt asking for Shariah within the UK now I hate to imagine had the head of muslim council of GB had said something like that which im glad he didnt. look at some of the responses in this thread alone:
pete trumans comments
Under Sharia law, what hapens to the bodies, limbs etc of people mutilated, stoned, beheaded, blown apart with Kalashnikovs or explosives, will they be dumped outside of Bradford Woolworths for all to see as an ‘example’
i mean where has adding whole of shariah law been mentioned? for gods sake a christian head of church is talking about a few family laws which are already in practise but not recognised within the UK system. So allot of people are blowing this out of context. Islamaphobia is on the rise in the UK, people get scared and jump the gun, more racial and religious motivated attacks have increased against minority groups and things like this will only increase community tensions.
lightning F57I see sealord is back to hes usual islam bashing. Just to clarify the archbishop has mentioned about using some Shariah law in courts not any muslim body so before everyone go’s out and starts to lynch muslims do read that part again.
On a more serious note, religious courts do exist in the UK and have such as the jewish beth din. If hes refering to something like this well it kind of allready exists. I dont support implementing any shariah within UK law, this country is majority non-muslim so it makes no sence as i think it may isolate minority groups more. Hes speech seems more politically motivated, maybe hes trying to draw more masses to the church. Might actually work.
With the amount of islamaphobia going around these days im not suprised with the reaction though.
lightning F57I see sealord is back to hes usual islam bashing. Just to clarify the archbishop has mentioned about using some Shariah law in courts not any muslim body so before everyone go’s out and starts to lynch muslims do read that part again.
On a more serious note, religious courts do exist in the UK and have such as the jewish beth din. If hes refering to something like this well it kind of allready exists. I dont support implementing any shariah within UK law, this country is majority non-muslim so it makes no sence as i think it may isolate minority groups more. Hes speech seems more politically motivated, maybe hes trying to draw more masses to the church. Might actually work.
With the amount of islamaphobia going around these days im not suprised with the reaction though.
lightning F57omething being overlooked here is just why did that Song class sub surface? The every last thing any sub captain would want to do is surface in a stupid position, was the sub forced to surface through problems, either inside the sub or problems from outside. When the news came out about it few actually bothered to think about it properly prompting many a kneejerk reaction. Put your self in the Chinese sub captains shoes, would you choose willingly to surface in that situation or would periscope pictures be enough proof if you wanted to say you were there. Something is not,does not add up here guys….
As far as I remember the chinese called that incident coincidence, and shrugged it off as such. So who knows if there is more to it. They could of been worried about being detected (close proximity) and to avoid any potential incident felt the need to surface and show there was no ill intent. Could of had a double message to say we patrol these waters as well.
lightning F57You just cant admit it can you, in many of its incarnations Islam causes persecution.
You cant admit that your flawed logic of jihadists waging war against the west because the west consumes alcohol, watch pornography and have a different way of life to them. This is flawed because there are millions of “barbaric” muslims in non muslim countries around 30 million in europe alone and they arnt going around butchering people.
Misguided folk are targeting the west now because of geo-political reasons arising from constant interference by the west, not your fairy tale reasons fox tv presents you.
lightning F57Hes wrong on most geo-political issues, I wonder how many muslim countries hes traveled in to be able to make a generalised opinion that islam is barbaric. Too much fox news i think.
lightning F57You list acts regarded and treated like crimes by the west and then compare them to acts committed and condoned by Islamic states. That is a fundamentally flawed approach.
No its not flawed because these are social issues and not religous. Flogging of a raped women in Saudi arabia is not a common theme but just as it hit the news recently and seems to have hit your heart on the matter your taking on a personal crusade over it. There are many tribal and cultural practises carried out in muslim countries that dont mean its down to islam, its like saying priests raping young boys in the west makes christianity a pedaphile religion. Totally ludicrous way to try and demonise islam.
Stop trying to blame the oppressive and violent nature of Islam on the west and take responsibility for Islams actions.
By you saying islam is violent dont make it violent so continue to jump up and down, the west needs to take responsibility for the geo political problems they have caused in muslim countries giving rise to extremism.
wah wah wah wah wah wah, evil west makes us stone and flog our women, murder homosexuals and bomb underground trains and nightclubs waaaaaaah!
Get a grip.
Muslim armys have not invaded Europe or America becouse they are too weak to do so., or in the case of Turkey not barbaric and savage to the extent that the likes of the Taliban are.
I havnt called the west evil so you get a grib but highlighted the ills of humanity is not localised to any religion/people or race. Why are you having a hard time with that.
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