Again you are lying, I did not say that you condone it. It utterly destroys you that you keep lying. It does however puzzle me that you refuse to acknowledge the subject let alone condemn it.

You are still using 60 year old western ideologies to justify current crimes being committed on a large scale by Muslims.

You said unlike you meaning to imply I somehow condone it, so no im not making up lies but its you who is making things up. Im against the flogging of women anywhere is that loud and clear for you, and im not acknowledging the subject because its social and cultural related not religious. There is many interpretations to shariah law and what you are describing is not universal in muslim countries, take turkey for example. And lif you that much worried about social and cultural issues why dont you take more worry on the american women being raped every 2 mins, women traffacing across mexico and other ills of society created by man.

As for current crimes, americans have killed this century alone more muslim civilians than muslims have killed american civilians. So cut the bull out on barbaric ideologies/crimes because they are present today.

Unlike you it sickens me that in the 21st century women get flogged for being raped and people threatened with murder for drawing cartoons.

Just becouse you admit to being a liar after lying it does not stop you from being a liar.

Stop trying to use old western ideologies to justify Islam. Nazism does not make stoning women to death or beheading people in the 21st century right.

Since when have I condoned flogging women or threatening murder? why do you do this to yourself making things up about me.

Old western idiologies dont make me laugh, these ideologies still exist. Stonning women to death isnt right as much as making concentration camps to kill jewish people for the simple reason of them being jewish. Accept that barbarism exists in all parts of the world and its not localised to any religion/race/peoples.

Once again you are ignoring the persecution of women, homosexuals, liberals etc etc as a result of Islam.

I am not wrong, I am right. This is an ideological war, one between an ideology that treats women as sub human, engages in medieval punishments and has genocidal tendencies. You are the one who is clueless and you are a proven liar.

Persecution of women, dont make me laugh, those are social/cultural problems and not religious. There are plenty of women in the west persecuted do you really want me to pull up some stats?

Its funny also how you talk about laws in islamic countries such as the flogging of the women in saudi arabia who I might add is americas closest ally. If your that concerned ask your government to stop supporting repressive regimes, which again brings me to my point of geo-political reasons.

A proven liar by whom? care to point out some facts or you pulling out more crap?, as for genocidal ideology well the west is quite an expert on that to, fasicm, nazism all started in the west. Genocide is not localised to a religion but to all peoples. So really get a clue.

As usual you avoid the point, when confronted with the savage and barbaric nature of the ideology you support you resort to lies and criticism of the west.

It is common knowledge that Islamic militants hate the west on ideological grounds just as much, if not more so, than pure geopolitics.

Your the one who avoids the point, and resorts to name calling to divert the subject. Since when have i supported any savage idioligy, again see you make things up to get your point across. Rather pathetic just because your reasoning has no proper argument.

These same islamic militants that hated the west so much actually were in a partnership with the west around 25 years or so ago fighting the soviet union or did you forget that?. The ideology isnt strong enough to want to travel thousands of miles abroad to kill innocent people, I dont buy that ridiculous notion, its about geo-politics and has allways been. Take your blinkers off you might actually learn something.

The ironic thing is that even the most deranged Russian fan boy should support it. Islamic extremists hate them almost as much as they hate Americans. Hell if you have ever drunk vodka you have crossed a line as far as your average Jihadist is concerned. I will give you a practical example, the UK is currently fighting an Islamic insurgency on its own soil, so far it has not progressed to true military operations but it is COIN nonetheless. When the UK police seize a Jihadi’s computer they never find pornography. More to the point they despise it to the point whereby they want to kill anyone who views such material.

I think your over exaggerating abit here, Russian fan boys dont support the american war on islam because apart from the Chechan issue islamic militants dont have an issue with Russia. Now to suggest just because the russians are vodka drinking constitutes militants from carrying out suicide bombings and other operations in Russia is overlooking the reality.

The reality is we are here today because of political and not religious reasons, the west has interfered far too long in muslim countries the militancy is a spawn of that.

SOC, with regards to discrediting the US government, heres something that you might find interesting, which has been put together by researchers showing the lies the administration made.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=project_home&context=methodology&id=953

This is recent you can bet there will be a muted reaction from the white house.

Something else you may find interesting is the letter addressed to Bill clinton in 1998, the authors of the letter ,Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Armitage, members of bush’s admin. I will highlight the points that I found important in this context:

It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard.

The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration’s attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts.

We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf.

If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Lets put this into context, this is pre 9/11, bush is not in power and the future leaders of the Bush admin are advising the current president to carry out regime change in Iraq. Not once they mention implementing democrasy but are more geared towards protecting “their interests in the gulf”

While im on a role might as well add good old Dick to the list as well:

Speech to the Veterans of Foreign wars August 26, 2002:

rmed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror, and seated atop ten percent of the world’s oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world’s energy supplies, directly threaten America’s friends throughout the region, and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail.

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.

Somebody say not a lie?

And there is no doubt that his aggressive regional ambitions will lead him into future confrontations with his neighbors — confrontations that will involve both the weapons he has today, and the ones he will continue to develop with his oil wealth.

What weapons was Dick speaking about with so much authority, im still waiting for him to show them to the world. Was plain simple scare mongering on the part of the bush admin for regime change and to control those “vital interests in the region”

It is you who is making things up by saying that I hate Muslims and that you do not condone violence.

just take a read over again the last few pages and point out to me where I condone violence.

Muslims so take responsibility for the savage parts of your ideology and stop blaming others.

Sounds like abit of hatred there. But ok you dont so i believe you. 🙂