Non-StopLink to POPULAR SCIENCE On-Line article about the 7E7.
“BOEING, BOEING, GONE ?” Article – June 2004
I’d like to fly in one of these Boeing planes someday.
It could give Airbus a run for it’s $$ . . .
Non-StopOriginally posted by steve rowell
Air New Zealand used to do them too, until they lost DC-10-30 ZK-NZP in November 1979 after it crashed into Mt Erebus with the loss of all on board
Tragic loss.
I remember watching a documentary about that crash on A&E.
Do you remember what the cause was, mechanical or human error, or both ? ?
Non-StopI FEEL THE “NEED FOR SPEED”
I don’t know about the commercial viability, but this is intresting info about the SCRAMJET that your kids or grandkids may get to try one day:
From the BBC:
The US space’s experimental hypersonic research aircraft, the X-43A, could one day revolutionise long-distance travel.
The unpiloted 3.7m-long vehicle uses a scramjet to reach a design speed in excess of Mach 7, more than 8,000 km/h (5,000 mph).
Scramjets burn hydrogen but take their oxygen from the air which is forced into the engine at very high speed.
A scramjet operates by the supersonic combustion of fuel in a stream of air compressed by the high forward speed of the aircraft, as opposed to a normal jet engine, in which fan blades compress the air.
But scramjets only start to work at about Mach 6, or six times the speed of sound. And this means they first have to be boosted to their operational velocity.
In the case of the X-43A, this was done by a modified Pegasus rocket released from under the wing of a B-52 bomber.
The 1,300kg wedge-shaped research craft separated from its booster and accelerated away with the power from its scramjet.
The engine operated for just 10 seconds, after which the X-43A glided through the atmosphere conducting a series of aerodynamic manoeuvres for six minutes on its way to splashdown.
Saturday’s test marked the first time a non-rocket, air-breathing scramjet engine has powered a vehicle in flight at hypersonic speeds.
Engineering challenge
Scramjet technology was first proposed in the 1950s and 60s. Because they take their oxidant from the atmosphere, the weight of any aircraft is therefore substantially reduced.
Those weight savings could be used to increase payload capacity, increase range or reduce vehicle size for the same payload.
TOP SPEEDS
Concorde: 1350mph (2173km/h)
Japan’s bullet train: Record: 277mph (446km/h); scheduled service: 186mph (300km/h)
French TGV: World record (1990): 515.3km/h (320.3mph); scheduled service: 259.4km/h (161.1mph)
The scramjet attraction is obvious. If the many engineering challenges can be overcome, this propulsion technology could make it possible to fly, for example, from London to Sydney in just a couple of hours.
More likely in the first instance, they will find applications in the space delivery business – launching small payloads, such as communications satellites, into orbit.
The first-ever free flight of a scramjet was conducted by the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) in 2001. Its engine was fired from a gun in an enclosed facility on the ground.
A year later, University of Queensland researchers flew their HyShot scramjet on a missile.
Non-StopOriginally posted by Jeanske_SN
Are we talking about the magnetic north or the actual north? Flying over the magnetic north would twist all HSI’s, and doesn’t that give navigation problems…
I was referring to the actual North Pole (where Santa Claus lives….), the one that tourists visit from time to time…….. 🙂
Stay away from that Magnetic Pole !
Non-Stop[B]Carl Sandburg
FOG[/B]
THE FOG comes
on little cat feet.
It sits looking
over harbor and city
on silent haunches
and then moves on.
[B]Robert Frost
STOPPING BY WOODS ON A SNOWY EVENING[/B]
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Rod McKuen
Non-Stop[B]Carl Sandburg
FOG[/B]
THE FOG comes
on little cat feet.
It sits looking
over harbor and city
on silent haunches
and then moves on.
[B]Robert Frost
STOPPING BY WOODS ON A SNOWY EVENING[/B]
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Rod McKuen
Non-StopMy father being a pilot for Trans-Texas Airways, there’s a good chance that I flew in the womb……..but the first flight I remember, was on a Convair 600 Turbo-Prop.
For my 5th birthday, my parents and I flew from Dallas Love Field to Los Angeles on a “big jet”, an American Airlines 707. We arrived at night, and took a cab to the hotel, where I was brought a cupcake with a candle in it——some Birthday :confused:
Well, the next morning we got dressed and walked out the other side of the hotel………and there was a friggin’ Monorail!!!
I was going to DISNEYLAND!!!! Now that was something pretty special for this 5 year old! The best part was seeing my mother freak out in the front seat of the Matterhorn Bobsled ! It looked so tame as it begins . . . . PRICELESS ! ! 😀 😀
Non-StopWith Tom Arnold as one of the un-expected “white” guests, along with Snoop Dog, it could have some funny moments, in between all the “hip-hip” humor……..It’s a premise, that might , or might not “fly”………But, I guarantee it will be big on Cable and Rental ! !
And look for the Soundtrack to be pushed..
Summary:
Why just fly when you can soar with soul? After a humiliating experience on an airplane, Nashawn Wade sues the airline and is awarded a huge settlement. Determined to make good with the money, Nashawn creates the full service airline of his dreams, complete with sexy stewardesses, funky music, a hot onboard dance clud, and a bathroom attendant. Departing from all-new Terminal X in Los Angeles, Soul Plane gives “fly” a whole new meaning taking it’s passengers on a maiden voyage full of comedy.
BTY, the same weekend, May 28th, THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW opens. I will probably see that instead, and check out Soul Plane on rental ………:D
Non-StopOriginally posted by Whiskey Delta
Oh, and I heard that it wasn’t the 727 that was going to be brought back but the 707. I swear!;)
Best News I’ve heard all week ! !
While they’re at it, Boeing, for nostalgia’s sake, should go ahead and bring back the 377 Stratocruiser.
I’m, of course, awaiting the return of the rigid airship (with helium this time around:):) )……
Non-StopThis is all very interesting. But, there is really a matter of health in mostly just sitting for 20 hours.
In the future, there are plans to design and develop a hypersonic aircraft that would cut the flying time to around 5 hours from the US to Japan. Will this ever be developed on a London to Sydney scale….I don’t know.
While it will be physically possible to do many things, I don’t see how or why regular people would want to be “jumboed” , especially in coach, for 20 hours anywhere. But, perhaps there are people or cultures that will welcome that, and thereby make it viable.
In the early days of the Pan American Clipper flying boats, only the ultra-rich could afford to fly to China from the US. And those were “long” hauls. With 30+ hours segments. And, the passenger loads were reduced for those longest non-stop segments.
Non-StopRe: Re: Re: LHR-SYD
Originally posted by greekdude1
Correct, same flight time ‘eastbound’ and ‘westbound.’
How does that work?
Where is SID?
Thanks, SID is Sal, Cape Verde – Amilcar Cabral International (off the west coast of Africa, about 300 mi w of Senegal).
Point to point, it is further in statute miles from NYC to SIN than it is from LAX to SIN. But, because you use a polar route for NYC to SIN, it looks like it will actually take a little less flight time to get there, than it will to fly from LAX to SIN, although in statue miles, LAX to Sin is shorter.
I use a world globe and some stirng to visualize these routes, otherwise, I don’t think I’d get it to easily…..:)
Non-StopRe: LHR-SYD
Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
Does this mean that it will be possible to operate a nonstop flight from LHR to SYD? It’s about time!
Does someone has more information about the 777-200 LR, the range charts of boeing say it cal also fly nonstop from LHR to SYD.
Don’t know about that yet. That’s still out of reach??
Air France will be the first to operate the 777-300ER this April. Does anyone know the routes are yet?
This August, Singapore AL begins NS service between EWR and SIN. A polar route, correct?? And actually not as long as the LAX-SIN route in nautical miles, but is actually longer in statue miles I believe. These Polar routes are interesting things……. But, these two will be the #1 and #2 longest NS flights.
#3. Would be the east-bound route of ATL-JNB on a 346 at 8,439 miles
(the westbound route JNB-ATL stops for refueling at SID–Sal, Cape Verde – Amilcar Cabral International ).
#4. Would be EWR-HKG on a 772 at 8,055 miles.
(I get different miles from different sites……For example, for the LAX-SIN NS route with SQ, I got 8,650 / 8,762 / 8,771……)
Non-StopFRA-DFW on AA 767 Bus Class almost 11 Hours, and then there wasn’t a gate available, so we sat out on the tarmac for about 30 minutes!
That was in 1998 or there-abouts.
Enjoyed the warm mixed nuts and all, but in the future, I want to keep my non-stop flights pared down to 8 hours max, if that’s possible. But if it’s going to be a transfer nightmare, then I’ll just tuff it out. Going west to get to the east, I would almost certainly prefer any layover in HNL !:D
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