Looks like the IN looking to replace the Tarantuls
Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel
In the full article, the RfI stipulates that the vessel must have 8 ASCM/LACM, point defense missile, CIWS, and 25mm gun.
The RFP states: AShM + PDMS + VSHORADS + CIWS + medium gun + light cannon
USS Hermitage was decommissioned on 2 October 1989 and transferred to the Brazilian Navy as NDD Ceará (G30) the same day. First commissioned on 14 December 1956, NDD Ceará is just over 58 years old today. Siroco was first commissioned 21 December 1998 at DCN in Brest, France. She is just over 16 years old.
AFAIK, russian navy lack of 10 tonne naval heliopter, such as Nh-90, AW-101. I wonder why russian design naval version Mi-8/17 for RuNavy :confused:
Mi-38
http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/en/helicopters/civil/mi-38.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russia39s-fourth-mi-38-makes-flight-debut-405011/


There is another article in this series here and it sheds light on a previous topic of conversation:
From the article:
Aside from the sensational tale of how the vessel was acquired, the other significant takeaway from the article series regards Liaoning‘s engines:
Original statements said she lacked functioning propulsion (which may mean anything from no screws to engine control software not installed to whatever), which journalists – or whoever it was – then took to mean ‘it has no engine’ . A ship in that state of progress will have engines.
Great, so air dependent submarines are now called aerobic subs? :applause:
1x SMART-S Mk2 cost of well over US$8 Million per set. Likewise 1 Millenium gun. RIM-162 ESSM has a unit cost of $840,000 to $970,000 per round. It adds up pretty quicky
so is the price of 183 million dollars for a ship with the radar and sensors fitted and no weapons or are fixed gun and cannons fitted in the price
If you exclude the cost of the feasibility studies in 1999.
This is hull, mechanical and electrical systems only.
Mind you this is about 10 years ago (pre 2008 economic crisis), so do allow for inflation, devaluation etc.
Correlate price with the Huitfeldt frigate unit cost as well.
I would think Absalon would be a bit cheaper than Huitfeldt due to ‘lesser’ weapon and sensor suite (but not a whole lot).
Cost: DKK2.5bn(total),[1] (~US$225m/ship) excluding weapon modules
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-class_support_ship
One of the reasons that the Absalon class was attainable, was a willingness to accept systems being installed in phases. This meant a delay in acheiving full operational status but both ships were available for limited operations in the meantime. It has also resulted in some confusion over costs. Prices as low as 1.256 billion Kroner (Cdn $263M) have been quoted. The actual cost for the entire Absalon class program, completely equipped, is quoted as 2.7B Kroner (Cdn $565M).
http://www.casr.ca/id-danish-naval-projects-absalon.htm
= $282,5 million per unit
The latter figure sound quite reasonable compared to the unit cost of the huitfeldt
No small patrol ships?
A big frigate cannot be at 10 places at once to chase all those small fishing boats from neighbouring countries.
4 x Peacock-class corvette built for Minitaya in 1982 can’t either!
The assignment focusses on protecting off shore oil assets, sealift ship to help with disaster relief and movement of the marines. Inshore patrol duties and fisheries protection should be offloaded to civilian agencies.
The original fleet comprises 5 larger ships, with the Castle’s giving range/endurance and the frigates punch. That’s what I sought to replace, with maximum commonality. Damen Crossover has a stern that can house, launch and recover up to 4 RIBs and/or lcvp and/or combat boats. It could thus serve as base ship for those smaller vessels, which can be used for patrol, boarding, pursuit, in combination with the ship’s helicopters: refurbished, modernized SeaLynx.
The vessels in the XO ‘family’ are relatively small: the XO115 numbers 115 metres in length and displaces 4500 tonnes. The largest XO137 measures 137 metres in length and weighs 5600 tonnes. A high level of automation, allows for only a small crew, thus limiting the life-cycle costs.
Equip it with a Thales I-mast 500 (with 150km detection range APAR integrated), backed with Smart S MK2 (with 250km detection in 13.5 RPM long range mode, 150km in 27rpm mode), 1x MK41 8-cell with ESSM, 1x Mk41 8-cell with dual role (reduced warhead, increased range, antiship+land attack) LRASM, 2×4 deckmounted multirole NSM/JSM, a 127mm Oto/Vulcan, 2x 35mm Oerlikon Millenium and 2-4 remote control small caliber guns (12,7-27mm range). At least three ships should also be ASW capable (sonars, light weight torpedoes launchers) – in which case 2 should be more assault oriented – but if you can have both in the same package than preferable 5 identical ships. Pondering the question of an MCM capability e.g. using remote control boats and ROVs.
Equip JSS similarly except for the ASW component. Alternatively, to save cost, use I-Mast 400 plus 2×4 NSM/JSM, 2x35mm and 2-4 small caliber RCT. Funds permitting (depending on the XO unit cost, assumed $300 million here, and AF modernization plan) a pair of JSS ($500 million each) is the preferred option. Trade off here could be 1 fewer Damen XO (not preferred).



5 ships of the Damen Crossover XO / Mission Flexible Combatant design e.g. 3 frigates and 2 assault
Backed by a Damen JSS.
= 2 billion
use 1 billion to upgrade Lynxes, F18, P3s and get some uavs and aewc platforms
NAVY
*2x Karel Doorman Class – Joint Support Ship – Netherlands
*Price: $400 million each ($800 million)
€408 million per unit > $474 million
these ship are reported as costing $225 to $260 million dollars so I am sorry 900 million to to 1.04 billion for 4 ship its the 4 engine Iver Huitfeldt-class ships that cost 335 million each 80% same hull different fit out
Program Acquisition Plan: The Naval Material Command (NMC), in cooperation with a number of foreign designers, initiated a pre-feasibility study for the two Flexible Support Ships authorized under Defense Agreement 2000-2004. An integrated part of the study was the derivative design for the Patrol Ship variants.
Feasibility studies for the program, involving Direction Constructions des Navales International (DCNI) (now Armaris) and BAE Systems, were completed by the end of 1999. Three Danish shipyards (Oerskov Steel Shipyard, Odense Steel Shipyard (Lindoe Yard), and Danyard Aalborg Shipyard) were selected to submit detailed designs and prices by May 2001. Danyard Aalborg Shipyard declined to bid on this program. Tenders were returned in late June 2001, however, both were above the set ceiling price of US$110M (hull, mechanical, and electrical systems only).
On 03 August 2001, the NMC cancelled the tender activity and entered into parallel negotiations with Oerskov and Odense yards. Several meetings were held to clarify the specifications, and to mitigate areas of risk and identify cost savings in order to reduce the overall price. On 15 October 2001, as a result of these negotiations, Odense Steel Shipyard was awarded a US$110M contract for the detailed design and construction of the two ships. First steel was cut for Absalon on 30 April 2003, launched on 25 February 2004 and accepted by the Royal Danish Navy (RDN) on 19 October 2004. The second unit, Esbern Snare, was launched on 21 June 2004 and accepted by the RDN on 18 April 2005.
An additional US$256M was authorized to complete the construction and integrate both units of the class, allowing a total cost of US$183M per unit. The US$183M does not include the containerized STANFLEX systems, which are already in stock or funded through a separate budget.
http://www.amiinter.com/samples/denmark/DA6001.html
The Danish Iver Huitfeldt class, which costs as little as $333 million per ship (including sensors and weapons!)
http://www.navalreview.ca/wp-content/uploads/public/vol8num4/vol8num4art6.pdf+
The Danes claim Nils Juel and its sister ships were built for US $325 million apiece — an impressive accomplishment for a ship displacing more than 6,600 tons, fitted with a sophisticated combat and communications suite, armed with Standard, Evolved Sea Sparrow and Harpoon missiles, 76mm and 35mm guns, torpedoes and a helicopter, able to cut the waters at 30 knots and travel more than 9,000 nautical miles without refueling.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?159275-Iver-Huitfeldt-class-Frigate&p=7465389&viewfull=1#post7465389
he Navy should purchase any of the cheaper, more versatile, more survivable, LCS alternatives available on the world market:
Denmark’s Iver Huitfeldt class frigate is twice the size of the LCS, has twice the range, orders of magnitude more firepower, and at a price of $333 million before weapons and costs about $450 million less than an LCS.21 Crucially, it drafts only three feet deeper than the LCS.
http://www.ciponline.org/research/html/littoral-combat-ship
The Danish frigate displaces twice that which an LCS does (6,600 tons versus 3,300 tons), but costs only $332M per ship excluding weapons. Even if one assumes that the weapons will double the cost, the Huitfeldts’ pricetag remains about the same as the DOD estimate for the LCS.
http://warontherocks.com/2013/08/getting-our-moneys-worth-lcs-vs-iver-huitfeldt-class/
631 miljoen euro voor de drie schepen [€631 million for 3]
http://marineschepen.nl/schepen/iver-huitfeldt.html
Good reason not to select F414 for TF-X. Don’t want to put all your eggs in the American basket.
As if Turkey would be interested in addition OHPs…. (domestic building of 8 Ada class corvettes, 4 TF-100 frigates , 4+42 TF2000 AAW frigates)
Very loose use of the term ‘aircraft carrier’…
I think also what I really thought would be to have Tomahawks – just having the ability to target airfields should anything start would be helpful. The targets are non moving and we know them already, basically. Just a thought.
ANTI SHIP (potentially dual role):
LRASM-A. Lockheed Martin is basing this design on their stealthy, subsonic, turbofan-powered AGM-158B JASSM-ER (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile – Extended Range) cruise missile, which doubles the AGM-158 JASSM’s range to over 500 miles.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/LRASM.html
LANDATTACK
Tomahawk Block IV TLAM-E – 900 nmi (1,000 mi; 1,700 km)
I’ve seen a similar kind of concept being advertised for the Klub..a container that could be stationary or be carried on a railway bogey and look like any other cargo container. Would be very hard to neutralise something like that without very very specific intelligence and a platform nearby to act as a shooter to take it down.
I’m not familiar with terrain on the Falklands, but assume there is not railsystem and only limited roadspace to move around. Over distance, containers would be moved primarily by ship and/or helicopter (CH-47), and only small distances by truck (Scammel/Leyland DAF or Foden DROPS), I would think. Not as mobile as in, say, a UK setting.