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  • in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2025906
    Jinan
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    3rd project 21631 ship will join the navy tomorrow.

    Do not really know why Russia is planning to build so many of these ships to the Caspian sea because these ships would be very useful in the Baltic sea and also in the Black sea. It is always a good thing to be prepared but why build so many ships to the Caspian sea when Russia could bring more ships from the black sea to the Caspian sea if needed.

    Negotiations related to the demarcation of the Caspian Sea have been going on for nearly a decade among the states bordering the Caspian – Azerbaijan, Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Iran. The status of the Caspian Sea[34] is the key problem. Access to mineral resources (oil and natural gas), access for fishing and access to international waters (through Russia’s Volga river and the canals connecting it to the Black Sea and Baltic Sea) all depend upon the outcomes of negotiations. Access to the Volga River is particularly important for the landlocked states of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. This concerns Russia, because this potential traffic would utilise its inland waterways. If a body of water is labeled as sea then there would be some precedents and international treaties obliging the granting of access permits to foreign vessels. If a body of water is labeled merely as lake then there are no such obligations. Environmental issues are also somewhat connected to the status and borders issue.

    All five Caspian littoral states maintain naval forces on the sea.[35] It should be mentioned that Russia got the bulk of the former Soviet Caspian military fleet and has the most powerful military presence in the sea. Fewer assets were assigned to Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

    According to a treaty signed between Iran (Persia) and the Soviet Union, the Caspian Sea is technically a lake and was divided into two sectors (Persian and Soviet), but the resources (then mainly fish) were commonly shared. The line between the two sectors was considered an international border in a common lake, like Lake Albert. The Soviet sector was sub-divided into the four littoral republics’ administrative sectors.

    Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan have bilateral agreements with each other based on median lines. Because of their use by the three nations, median lines seem to be the most likely method of delineating territory in future agreements. However, Iran insists on a single, multilateral agreement between the five nations (as this is the only way for it to achieve a one-fifth share of the sea). Azerbaijan is at odds with Iran over some oil fields that both states claim. Occasionally, Iranian patrol boats have fired at vessels sent by Azerbaijan for exploration into the disputed region. There are similar tensions between Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan (the latter claims that the former has pumped more oil than agreed from a field, recognized by both parties as shared).

    The Caspian littoral states’ meeting in 2007 signed an agreement that bars any ship not flying the national flag of a littoral state from entering the sea.[36

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea#Territorial_status

    The Caspian Sea borders between Azerbaijan, Iran, and Turkmenistan are not yet determined, although this problem is set to be resolved peacefully in the coming years through slow negotiations. After the breakup of the USSR, the newly independent republics bordering the Caspian Sea claimed shares of territorial waters and the seabed, thus unilaterally abrogating the existing half-and-half USSR-Iran agreements which, like all other Soviet treaties, the republics had agreed to respect upon their independence. It has been suggested by these countries that the Caspian Sea should be divided in proportion to each bordering country’s shoreline, in which case Iran’s share would be reduced to about 13%. The Iranian side has expressed eagerness to know if this means that all Irano–Russian and –Soviet agreements are void, entitling Iran to claim territorial sovereignty over lands lost to Russia by treaties that the parties still consider vivant. Issues between Russia, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan were settled in 2003, but Iran does not recognize these agreements, on the premise that the international law governing open water can not be applied to the Caspian Sea, which is in fact a lake (a landlocked body of water). Iran has not pressed its Caspian territorial claims in recent years because it relies heavily on Russia’s support in its nuclear-development battle with the West.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Iran#Current_territorial_disputes

    The main focus of the Iranian Navy seems to be developing new frigates, corvettes and medium to large fast boats capable of carrying modern precision anti-ship missiles.[citation needed] Three of five frigates (Vosper Mark 5), however, were commissioned over 25 years ago and these ships have been updated with Chinese C-802 missiles.[citation needed] Iran’s three corvettes were commissioned over 30 years ago; one (the Hamzeh) was originally a government yacht but has now been equipped with Chinese C-802 missiles as well, but it is deployed at Anzali on the Caspian Sea.[citation needed

    On September 29, 2003 Iran’s domestically produced Sina class (reverse engineered Kaman class) missile boat Paykan, equipped with modern anti-ship missiles and modern electronics entered service in the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy. The ship was launched in the Caspian sea to protect Iran’s interests there and was mentioned among the achievements of the Iranian Navy by Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari.

    In 2002 Iran announced it would start the production of its first domestically produced destroyer. By most international standards the ship, the first of the Moudge class, would be considered a light frigate or a corvette.[11] On November 24, 2007 Iran’s rear admiral Habibollah Sayyari announced that Iran would launch its first domestically produced destroyer, Jamaran and an Iranian Ghadir class submarine. It is said to be a sonar evading stealth submarine. Moje (aka Jamaran), later known as Moje I which appears to be a development of the Alvand (Saam) Class. Jamaran guided missile frigate entered service in 2010. Another frigate in the same class, named Damavand, has been commissioned in the port of Bandar Anzali in the Caspian sea (2013). This ship just like the Jamaran has the capability to: carry helicopters, anti-ship missiles, surface-to-air missiles, torpedoes, modern guns and air defence guns. The ship is also equipped with electronic warfare devices. The two mentioned frigates have brought Iran’s frigate arsenal from 3 to 5, while two others are being built, to be added to Iran’s fleet of warships in the Persian Gulf.

    Bandar-e Anzali (formerly known as Bandar-e Pahlavi) was the major training base and home of the small Caspian Sea fleet, which consisted of a few patrol boats and a minesweeper

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar-e_Anzali

    In short, Iran has increased its caspian fleet with a 1400 ton corvette, 250 ton missile boats, mini-subs.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2025923
    Jinan
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    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2025957
    Jinan
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    It is a complicated story, and one I am not sure I even have right, but something about Kashtan going out of production, them having AK-630s available for cheap, and wanting to deliver the ships as fast as possible.

    IDK, how hard could it have been to modify it for Palash? Thankfully it has VSL Shtil, otherwise missile protection would be very dubious.

    My thoughts exactly

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2025975
    Jinan
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    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=421723&download=2&type=.jpg

    Ustinov, today.

    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/342780.html

    Tula is arriving to take Ekaterinburg’s spot @ Zvedochka for repairs and life extension.

    INteresting series of pics, esp with thoe Carden Lloyd carriers….

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2025979
    Jinan
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    A user @ Balancers took some nice photos of what is happening @ Yantar right now:

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=421661&download=2&type=.jpg

    Grigorovich.

    Why nothing more substantial than a pair of AK630s (esp considering what the 22350s got)?

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2025983
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    http://www.nrk.no/norge/_-vi-ser-et-tydeligere-russisk-naervaer-1.12086499

    Cool- the Norwegians spy on the Peter the Great making her recent Granit launch- pretty rare footage.

    PDF?

    in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2025990
    Jinan
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    Quite obviously some sort of supply vessel.
    The largest Japanse coast guard ships are the Shikishima class (PLH), with a displacement of 6,500 tonnes (9,300 tonnes full load) but they are more like a combatant
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikishima_class_(PLH)
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/JCG_Shikishima%EF%BC%88PLH-31%EF%BC%89.JPG/1024px-JCG_Shikishima%EF%BC%88PLH-31%EF%BC%89.JPG

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/JCG_PLH31_Shikishima_20070617.JPG/1024px-JCG_PLH31_Shikishima_20070617.JPG

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026409
    Jinan
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    Perhaps they will build additional 11356 frigates? That shipyard built Krivaks in the past, if their keel+underside is identical, they should have all the specialized tools/equipment to quickly start construction.

    Possibly

    Old Gaiduk thread http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105224-Gayduck-Ukraine-corvette-Prject-58250
    See page 2 for construction elements.

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=293835&download=2

    Last february
    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1574
    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1559

    http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2014/february/Ukraine_Project_%2058250_Corvette.jpg

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2026439
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    Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook

    Since the ABs carry long VLS’s, stacked-quadpacks i.e. octuple packed cells?

    Mk41: The height (missile length) of the launcher comes in three sizes: 209 inches (5.3 m) for the self-defense version, 266 inches (6.8 m) for the tactical version, and 303 inches (7.7 m) for the strike version.
    Mk 57: Height (ft) 26 (7.9m)
    Sylver A-70: 7m

    Consider CAMM/Sea Cepter is about 3.2m, VL Mica 3.1m, ESSM 3.66m…. x2 > 6.4, 6.2, 7.32

    You’ld need small diameter middiles and arrange them 4 + on top of 4 x?

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026443
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    http://flotprom.ru/2014/175571/

    This is interesting. The shipyard “Zaliv” in Kerch (gloriously re-taken Crimea) is getting an order for 4 navy ships. No info about what kind.

    Kinda funny, the shipyard has two websites now, one controlled by the company and an older one controlled by Pro-Ukranians who are naturally not happy with the change in status.

    Never realized how substantial this shipyard was. They even built the Sevmorput!

    Buyan-M or Gepard.

    Or, maybe, it is taking over the order for four Gayduck (remember that one?) or replacing it.

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    Ukraine Navy to Receive Four Corvettes by 2021
    naval-technology.com ^ | 17 March 2011

    Posted on ‎17‎-‎3‎-‎2011‎ ‎13‎:‎47‎:‎43 by sukhoi-30mki

    Ukraine Navy to Receive Four Corvettes by 2021

    17 March 2011

    The Ukrainian Defence Ministry has plans to spend $2bn on four indigenous corvettes by 2021, Ukraine Defence Minister Mikhail Yesel said.

    The lead ship is expected to be constructed in 2016 in the Mykolaiv-based Black Sea Shipyard.

    In order to minimise costs, the project will involve designing and constructing the ships in Ukraine with foreign ship weapons and equipment to eliminate foreign policy risk.

    The Ukrainian Government had approved a defence programme for building ten ships-class corvettes in March 2009, however, due to budget limits the project has been reassumed to building only four ships.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2690151/posts

    See also http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105224-Gayduck-Ukraine-corvette-Prject-58250

    Which is rather similar to the 20380 and variants….

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2026531
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    ? Do you want to refer, to which navies former USN frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry class were transferred? Or which navies could receive former USN frigates?

    So far this is the list of transfers:
    1 Bahrain
    4 Egypt
    1 Pakistan (plus some additional?)
    2 Poland
    8 Turkey (plus 1 for spare parts)

    [PB]erhaps Tailand and Taiwan will receive 2 ships each[/B]. So fare the biggest operator of former USN OHPs is Turkey followed by Egypt.

    There were also 6 ships built for Australia, 6 for Spain and 8 for Taiwan – but these were never in service with the USN.

    Thanks for telling me wqhat I – and most other posters here – already knew. I was clearly referring to the potential takers for the last OHPs currently still in US active service.

    Taiwan’s Navy plans to move quickly on the procurement of Perry-class frigates in 2015, if legislation introduced by a US House committee on Nov. 20 is passed.

    The US House Committee on Foreign Affairs introduced legislation on Nov. 20 to release four Perry-class frigates to Taiwan: USS Taylor (FFG-50), USS Gary (FFG-51), USS Carr (FFG-52), and USS Elrod (FFG-55). The legislation still has to be approved by the House and Senate before the White House signs off on it. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee backed a similar bill last week.

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131121/DEFREG03/311210020/US-Poised-Release-Perry-Warships-Taiwan

    Taiwan To Receive Four Oliver Hazard Perry-class Guided Missile Frigates

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    Published on: April 11, 2014 | Last Updated: May 18, 2014 11:52 AM EST


    Jane’s is reporting that the U.S, House of Representatives on 7 April authorised the sale to Taiwan of four Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided missile frigates. The bill paves the way for the sale of USS Taylor , USS Gary , USS Carr , and USS Elrod to Taiwan under provisions laid out in the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA), the magazine noted.

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/taiwan-to-receive-four-oliver-hazard-perry-class-guided-missile-frigates

    Taiwan needs replacements for 8 Knox class ships. Turkey will be building its own ships in future.

    Delivery of U.S. Perry-class frigates to Taiwan could be delayed

    2014/09/09 21:48:49

    Taipei, Sept. 9 (CNA) The delivery of two Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided missile frigates from the United States is likely to be delayed, the Navy said Tuesday in response to a local media report that the delivery has been postponed until 2016.

    Taiwan has requested to purchase the two Perry-class frigates, which were previously scheduled to be delivered in 2015 to replace the Navy’s two aging Knox-class frigates.

    Asked about the report, the Navy said the delivery schedule could be delayed, but did not give specific information on when Taiwan can take delivery of the frigates.

    The U.S. Senate has not yet agreed the sale because it is focusing on other issues at the moment, the Navy said, stressing that there is no problem with the sale.

    The Chinese-language United Daily News reported Tuesday that the frigates were expected to be delivered in the middle of 2015, but the schedule has been put off to 2016, as the sale is still pending Senate approval.

    The frigates will cost NT$5.56 billion (US$185.42 million), the report said, citing an annual budget proposal by the Ministry of National Defense.

    http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aipl/201409090030.aspx

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2026559
    Jinan
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    USS Ingraham (FFG 61) was decommissioned on 12 November after 25 years of service.

    USN decommissions Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate

    http://www.navsource.org/archives/07/images/61/076135.jpg

    Most to Taiwan, some to Pakistan.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026598
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    I don’t understand all the drama around Ivan Gren’s fate.

    It’s a project born conceptually old, nobody in his sane mind would require or expect a landing ship to beach itself to disembark troops and vehicles.

    It’s even small and unable to provide logistic support, something obe could use only in very short range missions, like within Black Sea.

    No reason neither to rely on old concepts nor to reinvent the wheel: between LSD, LPD and logistical vessel there are plenty of working concepts waiting just to be picked up and tailored to specific black berets’ force structure and missions requirements.

    THen sell it. But this drawing out is so …. pointless.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026669
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    Assymetrical gun face?

    Looks like it, although the barrel itself may actually be centered.

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=416323&download=1

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=416334&download=1

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026672
    Jinan
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    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=416233&download=2&type=.jpg

    Ivan Gren looking like the Ivan Gren always does.

    That’s just …. wrong!

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