JinanSeriously?. Condemning the IN for an inability to conduct a single RAS, in bad weather, with a new ship and in unfamiliar waters?. Who writes this rubbish???
Idiots, obviously. Such drivel.
JinanAll Russia seems to be building in Submarines, Frigates, and LHD’s. As “major” combatants in the near future???
What good are bigger ships without escorts….?
JinanThe new 4k ton US national security cutters sport a Bofors 57mm
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JinanAgain, all this is irrelevant as it is beyond Angola’s naval capacity
The Navy numbers about 2,500 and operates seven small patrol craft and barges.
The Angolan Navy (MGA) has been neglected and ignored as a military arm mainly due to the guerrilla struggle against the Portuguese and the nature of the civil war. From the early 1990s to the present the Angolan Navy has shrunk from around 4,200 personnel to around 1,000, resulting in the loss of skills and expertise needed to maintain equipment.
In order to protect Angola’s 1 600 km long coastline, the Angolan Navy is undergoing modernisation but is still lacking in many ways. Portugal has been providing training through its Technical Military Cooperation (CTM) programme. The Navy is requesting procurement of a frigate, three corvettes, three offshore patrol vessel and additional fast patrol boats.
Most of the craft detailed are from the 1980s or earlier, but the navy acquired new boats from Spain and France in the 1990s. Germany will deliver Fast Attack Craft for border protection from 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Armed_Forces#Angolan_Navy_.28Marinha_de_Guerra.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Navy
Fast Attack Craft
4: Mandume class (Bazan Cormoran type, refurbished in 2009. The four boats are the Mandume, Polar, Atlantico and Golfinho)
Patrol boats
3: Patrulheiro
5: ARESA PVC-170
2: Namacurra class (operated by the Navy and Fisheries Ministry)
Fisheries patrol Ngola Kiluange and Nzinga Mbandi delivered from Damen Shipyards in September and October 2012, followed by a 28 metre FRV 2810 (Pensador). [These patrol boats are operated by Navy personnel under the Ministry of Agriculture, Rural Development and Fisheries]
Landing craft 1-3: LDM-400 (often unserviceable)
JinanAs of March 5th 2013, it was being reported that the Japanese government were considering the transfer of four small destroyers [frigates] (later confirmed to be of the Hatsuyuki class) from the MSDF to the JCG, in light of the extreme strains on the latter’s resources due to current events. Of the four, one has already been decommissioned (in March 2013), with the other three to decommission over the course of FY2013. If the transfer goes ahead, the four vessels will likely be modified to JCG requirements (e.g. removal of the Harpoon launchers) and redesignated as PLHs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japan_Coast_Guard_vessels_and_aircraft
Bofors 40mm cannon (others like PL and PLH have twin 35mm Oerlikon naval gun, yet others have Mk44 Bushmaster II 30 mm gun)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JCG_Hida_class_patrol_vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JCG_Aso_class_patrol_vessel
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Similar armaments as well as 76mm can be found in the South Korean coast guard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Korea_Coast_Guard#List_of_ships_of_the_Republic_of_Korea_Coast_Guard
Checked out Russian, Indian Coast Guards?
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Jinanwhat are the potential air wing and fleet for this?
what roles would Angola need it for (protecting oil rigs?)
IF transferred, ….
Keep in mind Spain will for now keep its AV-8B Harriers (12 EAV-8B+ 1 TAV-8B) for use on SPS Juan Carlos I LHD. At least until such time as e.g. F-35B becomes available to Spain. F-35 for Angola? No funding! So, the only option would be ex-USMC AV8Bs (which are old, long in the tooth, worn) or … Angola might acquire remaining SHAR’s from India (same restriction applies)? Expect an all helicopter wing (if a wing at all, she may just deck heli’s from sister services.)
JinanExpanding African navies would be more likely candidates e.g. Algeria, Morocco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_National_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Moroccan_Navy
JinanComplement Principe de Asturias: 830 (total); 600 ship crew, 230 air crew
Country Angola
Type Navy
Size 1,000 Personnel
So, PdA alone would require 60% of current navy manpower
As we read on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Navy#Surface_Vessels
In December 2013 it was reported that Angola would be buying a package of old ships from the Spanish Navy. The Príncipe de Asturias is a small (16,000t) Harrier carrier, to be transferred along with the former USS Harlan County (a Newport-class landing ship), the F-32 Diana (a Descubierta-class corvette converted to minesweeper support ship), P-61 Chilreu (lead ship of its class of ocean patrol vessels) and the P-27 Ízaro (an Anaga-class patrol ship)
So, not just the PdA carrier (complement 600 ship crew, excl. flight crew), but also an Newport class LST (Complement: 14 officers, 210 enlisted), a Descubierta class corvette (the Diana was transformed to MCM support ship M-11. Complement: 118), Chilreu OPV (crew 36) and Anage fishery patrol ship (crew 25) > 600+224+118+36+25=973 crew needed to absorb new (additional) ships
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/angola/navy-equipment.htm
Naval Organization
The Angolan fleet consists of seven patrol vessels and four naval aircraft. All of the naval units operate from bases in Luanda, Cabinda, Lobito, Namibe and Soro. The naval aircraft operate from Luanda.
Naval Forces
The Angolan Navy (AN) currently consists of seven patrol vessels:
Four Mandune class patrol boats.
Three Patrulheiro class patrol craft.
http://www.amiinter.com/samples/angola/general.html
HOW LIKELY, YOU FIGURE!?!?!?!?
Jinanthe Hamiltons are the worst possible choice for Philippines. They are too lightly armed to function as real warships, and too big and unwieldy to function as patrol vessels in the shallow water around the shoals. The long range of the Hamilton is also useless because the area of conflict is about 100nm from Filipino bases. They are too aggressive in appearance to use as counter to unarmed Chinese coast guard vessels and fishing boats, but can’t maneuver against smaller vessel in an area where even small patrol vessels are constantly in danger of running aground. The most likely end of these hand me down ships is that they will accidentally run aground on some shallow shoal and rot away in place. Philippines would be much better served with a large number of smaller shallow draft patrol ships and a number of landing craft/transport support vessels to better supply the island garrisons.
Philippines will never have the resources to face up to PLAN in a straight up battle. But the South China Sea conflict is not even a military conflict. Thus far, China has only send unarmed coast guard vessels to safe guard its sovereignty and protect Chinese fishermen who have fished these waters for countless generations. This conflict is more like the Cod Wars than Battle of Leyte Gulf.
So, the Hamilton’s can stay and patrol the area for long periods at a time, with helicopter’s used to ferry in/out any personnel or supplies that are needed urgently as needed. As in in PN service, the Hamilton has a 76mm and perhaps some 25mm cannon and HMGs, not unlike Japanese or other nation’s coast guard ships
JinanIs the Hamilton class a waist of time for the Philippines Navy
As I look at it I think the Hamilton class is a lot of ship for the money cost to Philippines 10 million dollars each operating cost of about 1.5 million a year a crew of 80-100 it has range of 14,000nm and can support helicopter operations these ships could do with a bit more fire power and the Hamilton’s have been deployed with harpoon and Phalanx in the past so by refitting Harpoon and swapping Phalanx for Sea’ram these ship could have some teeth with low costs and if it was me I would be looking for 3 more them to bring the fleet up to 5. Will the Philippine Navy be able to stop the Chinese Navy in the South China Sea if it comes to it No but by having these ships there it forces China to acknowledge there is a dispute and that any military action will be seen as aggression by the rest of the western powers
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They also had sonar and 2x triple ASW tubes (see dark patch behind ship’s boat)
JinanWhat does npomash have to do with anything here ?
gyroscopic devices for missile complex «Iskander»
JinanJinanFrankly? To me the Hamiltons (irrespective if they are 2, 4, 6 or “50”) are absolutely useless in military terms if the objective of the Philippine Defence Ministry is to somehow “deter” tha Chinese Naval encroachment of disputed South China Sea areas… The Philippine Navy would have to begin with some 10 FREMM-equivalent ships just to START making China Notice them, othewise it is just money thrown away… inevitably ending with the aknowledgement of Chinese ownership of the disputed shoals and reefs…
Also I would never trust the US to guarantee my nation´s territory at sea, at the very key moment they might find themselves too busy elsewhere, then you are screwed.Regards,
Hammer
Yes. But consider the fleet as is: operating WW2-era ships as main surface combattants…..
Cannon-class destroyer escort
Auk_class_minesweeper
Admirable-class minesweeper
JinanNovator denied anything to do with Iskandar-K. And the fact that Iskandar is KB mashinostroyeniya product.
http://www.npomash.ru/npom/en/default.htm
Not on this site as product
Just
Main products: gyroscopic attitude controllers and rate gyro package for launch vehicle «Souz-2», anti-ship missiles «Yakhont», «BrahMos», gyroscopic devices for missile complex «Iskander».
JinanBrazilian Navy drops Thales IMast from next gen corvette program. http://www.alide.com.br/joomla/component/content/article/75-extra/4614-thales-i-mast-esta-fora-da-nova-corveta-brasileira This is a big blow to Thales Nederlands…
Inflexibility toward incorporation of Brazilian radar(s) + cost….
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