Though the middle ship doesn’t have any hangar facilities: it is merely a deck on top of a dock.
I see you’re posting links to comedy articles now. A hazy recollection of a telephone conversation with an unnamed person whose status is equally unknown but who’s supposed to be an American in a consulate in Brazil, & who admits that he’s relaying rumours . . . Come on, is this serious?
As I said, interesting reading. Which is not a reflection on the trustworthiness of the source. Then again, you can label anything comedy. Including … this forum.
Buy Rafales. đ
That was easy, wasn’t it?
There’s no urgency, since the current carrier isn’t a serious force projection tool. The Skyhawks will do as a token capability until they’re too worn out. They’ll maintain skills, for that distant & perhaps never to come day when the hypothetical new carriers are bought. New carrier aircraft can wait until then.
For the navy, new frigates are far more urgent, & it’s very worried that it won’t get the money for them. No point to a carrier with no escorts.
The Skyhawks wont last indefinitely…
Meanwhile for the AIR FORCE, the Rafale, built by Dassault Aviation, is competing with Boeing’s F/A-18 “Super Hornet” and Saab’s Grippen NG. The Brazilian government “has not made a decision yet, but is is clear that the Rafale still is being considered, alongside the aircraft of the other competing countries.” Boeingâs F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Franceâs Dassaultâs Rafale, Saabâs JAS-39 Gripen NG were picked as finalists. But after repeated stalling, the question is whether Brazil will actually place an order, or fold up the competition like the ill-fated 2011 F-X process.
http://www.laahs.com/content/35-Brazil-Still-Considering-the-Rafale
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/brazil-embarking-upon-f-x2-fighter-program-04179/
Can the ex-Foch (comfortly rather) than barely operate Rafale-M or Super Hornet? And how smart is it to put the expensive Rafale’s on a carrier the age of the Foch/Sao Paolo…. (is a replacement ship even on the horizon)?
BTW, Brazil didn’t buy ex-US Skyhawks then transition to Kuwaiti ones. The ex-Kuwait AF A-4s are the only ones Brazil has ever owned.
Oops, confused there with Argentinian jets, but that country replaced its A-4Q Skyhawks with French-built Dassault-Breguet Super Ătendards and flew those of the Brazilian carrier.
Meanwhile, what BETTER alternative does Brazil have?
It is also assured that there is no chance of Finnish or Swiss F-18’s being retired prematurely and coming to 2nd hand market. If anything, those countries would buy more of them if they could. They’re also not flown with particularly forgiving flight profiles.
It means support for the C/D version will continue for some time…
Those Kuwaiti A-4s had no carrier landings before being bought by Brazil, & fewer flight hours, or years of use, than USN F-18C/Ds have now. They’ve not had anything like the intensity of use of USN F-18s since being bought by Brazil.
YEt, thats why I mentioned them.
The post which prompted this specifically referred to the possibility of ex-US F-18C/Ds (not F-18s operated by other countries) being retired earlier than scheduled & sold to Brazil.
And indeed that was what I was initially referring to (and still am, using US jets to get started on this type)
BTW, the F-18A/Bs out there will all have more flight hours than the ex-Kuwaiti A-4s. The Australian ones needed major work to keep them flying until F-35 arrives, because the airframes were worn out. Carrier use? Not a chance!
Did I suggest using A/Bs?
So here we are, you summarizing my suggestion exactly. What would keep Brazil from acquiring Kuwaiti F/A18s eventually? In the meantime, they can use other source (read: US) F/A-18s to get started on the type. That is exactly how they did it with the A4s…. don’t see why they can’t do that again. It is not as if the ex-US jets would see an intensive use in Brazilian service …
How many carrier landing cycles do they have left? Enough to justify buying, setting up infrastructure, training? I suspect not.
Yea yea yea, Brazil has been flying A4s for many years. Like its most recently acquired set of ex-Kuwaiti A4 Skyhawks are new…. Incidentally, Kuwait also operates F/A-18C/D. Eventually those will be retired too. How many carrier landing cycles did those make? Not to mention the planes operated by Finland and Switserland (and A/B models of Canada, Australia, Spain). So, why not start with some ex-US planes?
Not really.
RAH-66 Commanche got cancelled and replaced by much cheaper and much less capable UH-72. In fact same thing happened to YAH-56 Cheyenne. B-2 and F-22 procurement was also seriously curtailled.
And from a naval perspective it happened to Enterprise class carriers – 6 planned, 1 built. Other 5 were cancelled and they acquired more Kitty Hawk class .
USN has already started building new Arleigh Burkes in place of Zumwalts. Apparently they’ll probably stilll be building Arleigh Burkes (Flight IV) into the 2030s.
Ah, but will flight IV be the same old same old? There is expectations that a Flight IV would follow later with technologies from DDG-1000/Zumwalt.
I think it’s about time to stop calling them Destroyers when by any measurement they’re Cruisers! Hell, the Burke Class are so large and powerful. Maybe they should start calling them “Light Cruisers”????
If the japanese can have DDH22 (and not call it a carrier), why bother?
A new image ….
If the red paint is indicative of waterline,… this sit rather low in the water for a carrier. Looks like 7 decks, at compared to e.g. 9 for QE. Perhaps a test vessel for catapults? Strange the catapult is paralellel to the centre line: would have expected it to be canted outwards (if a waist/flank cat rather than a bow cat).
ski jump is not really good design, just a stop gap solution because the country could not afford or have technology to build catapult.
it limit the airplane too much.
PLAN is only using ukraine ship as stop gap and acknowledge it as so before making full chinese carrier with catapult.
india should do same.
I’m quite willing to settle for a skijump an Su-33s (as compared to no carrier).
âINS Vikramaditya will serve Navy for 30 yearsâ Rear Admiral Madhusudanan declined to comment on reports about the carrier bracing for induction without a close-in-weapon system (CIWS) or missile defence. âYes, there are certain issues there,â was how he put it. The AK-630 CIWS is slated for integration aboard the Vikramaditya in a year or so
Mmm, that’s kind of minimal. I expect Barak will eventually be taken from INS Viraat when she retires, and reinstalled on Vikramaditya.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/final-nod-soon-for-navy-s-advanced-stealth-frigate/1150502/0
Project 17A will get approved soon. Might be armed with Brahmos 2.
The frigates are expected to be equipped with the latest version of the Brahmos missile, possibly the hypersonic variant if developed on time.
There’se the rub. It will likely be 10 years before that’s ready for operational service, so the P17A ships will have started arriving already.
The fleet of legacy F/A-18 Hornet aircraft â mostly C models â could be swiftly retired, leaving an all-Super Hornet fleet of Es and Fs
… might be of interest to Brazil, to reequip its ex-French carrier with the F/A-18Cs. Could also be of interest to smaller airforces?
http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=343427&download=2&type=.jpg
Big photo of the ship today.
Apparently first metal for the 4th ship will be cut soon.
Nicely uncluttered design.