JinanSubskimmer Diver Propulsion vehicle
See
http://www.globaltradelink.co.uk/dpvsdv.html
http://sofrep.com/5847/navy-seal-mission-de-classified-operation-thunderhead/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subskimmer
Product: SUBSKIMMER SSK96
http://www.cipta-taruna.com/ssk96.html
Product: SUBSKIMMER SSK180
http://www.cipta-taruna.com/ssk180.html
Producer: MST Special Products is a wholly owned subsidiary of MST – Marine Specialised Technology
http://www.mstltd.co.uk/special-products
JinanLHA + land-attack cruiser …. go figure.
Jinanthe former Hermenegildo Capelo was sunk yesterday in the Algarve, to create a new artificial reef
Nicely done, dropped down horizontally.
JinanWhy?
Because, so far, all imagery is fan-art. Previously, we’ve seen models appear at some point. Besides, I think they will first work out how to use the three LPDs.
JinanWhat condition are the Thai AV-8S Matadors in?
http://thaimilitary.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/x7407538-10.jpg?w=450&h=339
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/analayo/Children%20Day%202552/X7407538-7.jpg
http://aircraftdown.blogspot.nl/2011/03/royal-thai-navy-av-8s-matador-harrier.html
(1997) McDonnell Douglas AV-8
9 handed over by Spanish Navy 24-Oct-96, & delivered 1997 on aircraft carrier ‘RTNS Chakri Naruebet’
operated by Squadron 1 Wing 3 (‘RTNS Chakri Naruebet’), but by 1999 only 1 aircraft was believed to be
airworthy because of lack of available spares;
retired from service 2006
INdividual aircraft details on page 14-15 of this: http://www.thai-aviation.net/files/Navy.pdf
JinanYes, an interesting idea, but it still falls foul of the cost of a refit (note that this is not optional: she needs a lot of worn-out equipment replaced), & there’s the problem of getting UAVs to work off the ski-jump. How practical is this? What development would it need?
Re UVAs using the skijump, I said ‘may’, not ‘must’. You can use many a fixed wing UAV from the deck by means of a catapult or RATO, and retrieve with a net or hook.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_060818-N-8547M-002_An_Unmanned_Aerial_Vehicle_(UAV)_Scan_Eagle_launches_from_the_flight_deck_aboard_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Saipan_(LHA_2).jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_060818-N-8547M-001_An_Unmanned_Aerial_Vehicle_(UAV)_Scan_Eagle_lands_in_the_skyhook_for_recovery_on_the_flight_deck_aboard_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Saipan_(LHA_2).jpg
http://news.usni.org/2013/05/02/new-hybrid-uav-and-helo-squadron-stands-up
http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=uav%20%22assault%20ship%22&source=web&cd=18&cad=rja&ved=0CG8QFjAHOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualacquisitionshowcase.com%2Fdocument%2F888%2Fbriefing&ei=R5e8UaaoDfSA0AW15AE&usg=AFQjCNFOSzwgsMiP5sVu_DiTLIMYI9Ce8g&bvm=bv.47883778,d.d2k
Meanwhile, I do seem to recall recently seeing a pic of a IAI Hunter UAV rolling off the deck of a US LHA/D…
I’m pretty sure that if what you want is a platform for helicopters & short-range UAVs for anti-piracy patrols it could be done much more cheaply. Such a ship wouldn’t need high speed, military damage resistance, or many other features PdA has. A merchant ship conversion would be perfectly adequate, & much cheaper to operate.
She gives ability to replenish other vessels at sea (and not just by vertrep but also by her own starboard side RAS station), has ample flight deck and hangar space, full maintenance facilities (i.e. endurance/staying power) and command/control infrastructure for coordinating multiple assets. I doubt a merchant ship conversion could give that and still be cheaper.
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Jinanwhat about ex british harriers
Sitting at AMARC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153741/Languishing-Arizona-mighty-fleet-Harriers–sold-price-just-ONE-US-replacements.html
JinanLook up………….Chinese Type 081 LHD
Scooter, its Wan. I’m doubting any official LHA/LHD
JinanLook again its a single seater comparision only.
Mig 35D formation takeoff with MiG-29K
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http://www.airliners.net/photo/1251551/L/
See also
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia—Navy/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29K-(9-41)/1969218/&sid=82633076eae69ad2ab9d718383edfbfb
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia—Navy/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29K-(9-41)/1985189/&sid=82633076eae69ad2ab9d718383edfbfb
MiG-29K, MiG-35D, MiG-29OVT, Su-35BM, Su-32FN (Su-344) During Moscow Air Show in August 2011
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http://www.deagel.com/library/Mig-29K-Mig-35-Mig-29-Su-34-and-Su-35-during-Moscow-Air-Show-in-August-2011_m02011091400005.aspx
More: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia—Navy/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29K-(9-31)/2138332
MiG-29 OVT,MiG-35 ,MiG-29K
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http://imgur.com/r/MilitaryPorn/iecpj
(very different 😉
JinanLoad her up, not with ASW heli´s but e.g. with a combination of UAVs (which may use ski-jump, if not rotary wing), armed utility helicopters and helicopter gunships and then put her out on anti-piracy patrol duties in the Arabian Sea, Gulf of Aden or thereabouts? Wouldn´t require a very expensive modernization, just maintenance / basic refit. Might Saudi Arabia be able to fund this, or possibly some of the ´Gulf States´ together?
JinanThat old MIG-29K has nothing to do with new MIG-29K. from the side profie they clearly different.
… hardly surprising when comparing a single-seater with a twin-seater. However that does not a fundamentally unrelated plane make.
JinanInteresting design but who would buy it???(other than PLAN):confused:
Is that something official, or a mere fan-art design? (I don´t think I´ve seen anything official in this respect, not on CDF at least)
JinanThe four ship Comandante João Belo class features a French design, identical to the Commandant Rivière class, with extra equipment for tropical climates. The two frigates remaining in active service were replaced, in 2008, by the Bartolomeu Dias class (Dutch Karel Doorman class) in the Portuguese Navy.
The NRP João Belo and the NRP Sacadura Cabral were sold to the Uruguayan Navy, becoming, respectively the ROU Uruguay and the ROU Pedro Campbell, which once (early 1990s) operated similar 3 Commandant Rivière class from France. (ROU 02 General Artigas, ROU 01 Uruguay, and ROU 03 Montevideo). These ran into problems, particularly with upkeep, and were decommissioned
F480 Comandante João Belo (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1967) Sold to Uruguay as ROU 01 Uruguay
F481 Comandante Hermenegildo Capelo (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1968) Decommissioned in 2004 (see above and F482)
F482 Comandante Roberto Ivens (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1968) Decommissioned in 1998 after colliding with a Tanker ship on a NATO exercise. Stripped of its equipment, taken to sea and sunk.
F483 Comandante Sacadura Cabral (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon,1969) Sold to Uruguay as ROU 02 Comandante Pedro Campbell
JinanThe four ship Comandante João Belo class features a French design, identical to the Commandant Rivière class, with extra equipment for tropical climates. The NRP João Belo and the NRP Sacadura Cabral were sold to the Uruguayan Navy, becoming, respectively the ROU Uruguay and the ROU Pedro Campbell, which also has 3 Commandant Rivière class from France. The two frigates remaining in active service were replaced, in 2008, by the Bartolomeu Dias class (Dutch Karel Doorman class) in the Portuguese Navy.
F480 Comandante João Belo (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1967) Sold to Uruguay as ROU 01 Uruguay
F481 Comandante Hermenegildo Capelo (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1968) Decommissioned in 2004 (see above and F482)
F482 Comandante Roberto Ivens (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon, 1968) Decommissioned in 1998 after colliding with a Tanker ship on a NATO exercise. Stripped of its equipment, taken to sea and sunk.
F483 Comandante Sacadura Cabral (Chantier Nantes, Dubigeon,1969) Sold to Uruguay as ROU 02 Comandante Pedro Campbell
JinanGiven the Thais brought AV-8S from Spain as well as A-7 Corsair for land based role and also included a ski jump on Chakri Narubet, it was clear that the Navy brought the Chakri Narubet as a full fledged combat carrier and not a disaster relief boat.
People forget this as the AV-8S and A-7 have all been withdrawn from service years ago.
Personally I think the carrier is grand standing, just like the Spaniards and the Italians.
“Look at us, we have an aircraft carrier, we are a power to be reckoned with.”
There were LPDs available in 1990 – e.g. French Foudre class.
Nobody said there were NO LPDs, just that Rotterdam/GAlicia/Enforcer may not have been available yet.
I don’t see how A7s factor in this equation (as they were landbased in the Thai case, just as e.g. with the Greeks)
Chakri came with a ski-jump, it wasn’t included as an extra. Spain’s flagship, Principe de Asturias (R11), and her smaller cousin ship, Thailand’s HTMS Chakri Naruebet, were based on the final US Navy blueprints for a dedicated sea control ship, but with the addition of a ski-jump ramp and follow a similar mission profile. The SCS was intended as an escort vessel, providing air support for convoys. The SCS was to be equipped with a mix of Rockwell XFV-12 fighter aircraft and anti-submarine warfare helicopters. It was tasked with carrying out anti-submarine warfare operations. The addition of the ski-jump allowed for better Harrier operations, but was not a necessity (as the use of ‘flat’ LPH and LHA in sea control ship roles proves)
AV-8S Matador = Export version of the AV-8A Harrier for the Spanish Navy. The exported model of the aircraft operated by the USMC was broadly similar to the RAF’s Harrier GR.1 but with Sidewinders.
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