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How about a SC-130J variation with enlarged port and starboard conformal ventral weapons bays: this should take 10 Harpoon. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/photos/c-130/Variants/M12-1166510A002%20SC-130J%20Sea%20Herc%20Bro%20Media.pdf
Personally I think the purchase of the Chakri Naruebet considering what its intended roles were in respect of disaster relief among others was a mistake. I think they would of been far better served with a variant of the Rotterdam Class LPD.
Large helicopter deck, hanger and a well deck all features that would be very useful for Thailand:
Agree. However, Chakri Naruebet was ordered in 1992, launched in 1996, and commissioned into the RTN in 1997. While the HNLMS Rotterdam (L800) was launched in 1997 and commissioned 1998. And likewise, work on SPS Galicia started in 1996 and the vessel was in the Spanish Navy in 1998. So, Schelde’s Enforcer series may not have been available yet when the Thai were doing their shopping (they considered a much smaller Italian design prior to switching to a Spanish ship, in the displacement range of the ST Marine LPD).
No – the casino was the excuse to get an real carrier trough the Bosporus, a ship, which is now used as carrier.
Chakri Naruebet is now used as royal yacht, but was supposed to be used as carrier.
Countries as Thailand and the Philippines cannot afford to operate carriers.
Oh, pls….
Chakri Naruebet has been deployed on several disaster relief operations, including in the aftermath of the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, and in response to separate flooding incidents in late 2010 and early 2011. Outside of disaster relief, the carrier’s few other departures from port are for a single training day per month, and transportation of the Royal Family of Thailand, leading to claims by some naval commentators that the ship is merely an oversized royal yacht
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The ship rarely leaves the proximity of the Sattahip naval base, and when she does, it is usually to transport and host the Royal Family of Thailand. Naval commentators consider Chakri Naruebet to be less an aircraft carrier and more the world’s most expensive royal yacht, while the Thai media have nicknamed the ship “Thai-tanic”, and consider her to be a white elephant
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November 1997, Chakri Naruebet participated in disaster relief operations following the passage of Tropical Storm Linda
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Flooding in the Songkhla Province resulted in the carrier’s mobilisation in late November 2000
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In January 2003, anti-Thai riots were sparked in Phnom Penh…Chakri Naruebet was sent to help with any evacuation of Thai citizens from Cambodia
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Following an undersea earthquake in the Indian Ocean [Jinan:2004], tsunamis struck multiple regions around the Indian Ocean, including the Andaman Sea coast of Thailand. The personnel of Chakri Naruebet were part of a 760-strong response by the Thai military to the disaster
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During the August 2005 filming of Rescue Dawn, the flight deck of Chakri Naruebet was used to represent the carrier USS Ranger.
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In November 2010, the ship was involved in flood relief operations following the 2010 Thai floods;
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Chakri Naruebet was sent to Koh Tao in late March during the 2011 Southern Thailand floods,
For a ship purchased to address the issue of “When Typhoon Gay hit Thailand in 1989, the Royal Thai Navy, as the main unit responsible for search and rescue missions, found that its ships and aircraft were unable to withstand the rough weather at sea” I think she is being used for what she was intended for. And when there is no disaster to respond to, why would they NOT used her for other roles, including transport of royals (rather than have her sit and do nothing at all). Particularly since they get only a day per month worth of actual sailing time. If I were the navy, I’ld also use any excuse to get out more…
I don’t know but could it be that there is some association of that particular use of the ship with practices such as the Royal Barge Procession, which is a Thai ceremony of both religious and royal significance?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Barge_Procession
its a French missile so for real does the Gripen and euro use it? isn’t the ASRAAM related to the mica missile? i think so
Research it before you state it, pls.
The Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile, also known by its United States identifier AIM-132, is an imaging infrared homing (“heat seeking”) air-to-air missile, produced by MBDA. It is currently in service in the Royal Air Force (RAF) and Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF), replacing the AIM-9 Sidewinder. The project started as a British-German collaboration in the 1980s; eventually the Germans left the project due to concerns over the missile’s performance. The British proceeded on their own, and the missile was introduced into RAF service in 1998. ASRAAM was developed to have longer range and higher speed than the Sidewinder at the expense of some maneuverability.
Concluding that they needed a missile with better performance than the Archer, the UK-German partnership broke down in the early 1990s, with the German Air Force deciding in 1995 to procure its own new air-to-air missile, the IRIS-T built by Diehl BGT Defence. Due to the numerous developmental delays caused by the UK-German disagreement over ASRAAM design with no solution in sight, and in light of threat of Archer, the US could not wait any longer and began development of their own improved version of the Sidewinder, the AIM-9X in 1990.
In February 1998 the British-French Matra British Aerospace consortium won a contract to supply ASRAAM to the Royal Australian Air Force for use on their F/A-18 Hornets following competitive evaluation of the improved ASRAAM, the Rafael Python 4 and the AIM-9X
At the DSEi conference in September 2007 it was announced the UK MoD was funding a study by MBDA to investigate a replacement for the Rapier and Sea Wolf missiles. The Common Anti-Air Modular Missile (CAMM), would share components with ASRAAM.[6]
MBDA has agreed to jointly develop a new generation air-to-air missile with India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM
The MBDA MICA (Missile d’interception et de combat aérien, “Interception and Aerial Combat Missile”) is an anti-air multi-target, all weather, fire-and-forget short and medium-range missile system.It was developed from 1982 onward by Matra. The first trials occurred in 1991, and the missile was commissioned in 1996 to equip the Rafale and Mirage 2000. It is a replacement for both Super 530 (interception) and Magic II (dogfight)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile)
MBDA is a missile developer and manufacturer with operations in France, Italy, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain and the United States. It was formed by a merger of French Aérospatiale-Matra Missiles (of EADS), Italian Alenia Marconi Systems (of Finmeccanica) and British Matra BAe Dynamics (of BAE Systems) in December 2001. The consolidation of Europe’s missile companies began in 1996, when parts of Matra Defense and BAe Dynamics merged their missile activities to form Matra BAe Dynamics (MBD).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA
Mica clearly predates ASRAAM. Although now marketed by the same company, the latter was developed seperately from Mica.
This is the street-smart part of the missile manufacturer,
when they pull out a number, they pull out the distance at launch, head on distance more specifically,
and to spice up numbers extra it is also at high closing speed and vs non maneuvering targets.
a.k.a anywhere between 1 km to 40 km, depending on launch parameters
If someone calls Mica a sraatm then what is 9X? (i.e. the exact km don’t matter for the point)
It’s a SRAATM.
So is 9X … 21-23 miles radius a.k.a about 35-40km
MICA is a replacement for both Super 530 (interception) and Magic II (dogfight). There are two MICA variants; MICA RF has an active radar homing seeker and MICA IR has an imaging infra-red homing seeker. Max missile range quotes by 1/2 Cigognes Air Defense Squadron is 80km. Mica efficiency radius is sometimes given as about 55 km for the RF variant, and 13km for the IR variant. Besides on Rafale, it is used also on Mirage 2000 e.g ROCAF (960 missiles) and IAF (490 missiles). But also Greece, UAE, Oman and Quatar.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Mica-Seeker-Range-1.jpg
I thought Thailand got a carrier to act as a Royal Yacht?
Yup, an China has a floating casino from Ukraine.
Tell me again how an aircraft carrier is useful in this force.
Keep your hat on, sir, I merely reflected on the potential roles and not on the wisdom of this particular navy making such an acquisition.
Then again, Thailand is an example of a similarly ‘lacking’ navy in the region that actually got such a deck for just such a role….
Likewise, how usefull is a single carrier in the navy of the PLA?
And that is a PROTOTYPE weapons system that is not going to be the standard production if such a system is widely adopted. Developmental products would cost a heck of a lot because well they are always cutting edge….
So, that’s affordable (unless the original question was how many DIFFERENT systems can the country afford)
China bought a rusty Ukrainian, ex-Soviet carrier.
I would have thought a proud Chinese poster like yourself would know this.
Palembang is the capital city of the South Sumatra province in Indonesia….
How many of these laser defense systems can a country afford?
The laser prototype recently put on a US LPD cost just under $32 million. That’s half a jet fighter.
Gulf deployment of navy’s laser weapon – with video
USS DEWEY also gets a laser?
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?51570-Airborne-Laser-Completes-Laser-Ground-Tests&p=2026488#post2026488
Why on earth would the Philippines want an aircraft carrier? They cannot control their own airspace as they have no fighter planes and their largest warships are ex-Coast Guard Cutters with no self defence capabilities.
A bunch of armed helicopters would let her patrol quite a nice area (with both ASW and ASuW armaments), and she has saying power (endurance) smaller ships may not have. The ability to air assault troops onto small contested islands should also not be undervalued.
In short, it’s not about fighterplanes.
So, you believe the Mig-29K can match or even best any of the forthcoming 5th Generation Fighters. (F-22, F-35, PAK-FA, J-20, and J-31)
I don’t think you will find many members of this forum that believe a Fulcrum is better than a Flanker regardless of the model. Let alone a Fulcrum being equal or superior to a 5th Generation Fighter.
Regardless, I’m sure all of us can come up with some examples of ‘older’ jets besting ‘newer’ jets. The general point would be not that the winning jet is better but rather that conditions, doctrine, tactics, weapon systems and/or missile performance favoured the older jet in the exchange.