It was an effective/essential RAF drill – had it been for real rather than a hoax
It was an effective/essential RAF op. – and had it been for real rather than a hoax we would not be arguing about costs/who ordered the ‘scramble’.
A 3rd Typhoon or other RAF a/c had it been required is all it would have taken to carefully manouvre the civillian aircraft out of any civillian airspace e.g. to over the sea. Then the bomber (in this case hoaxer) may still have detonated but the losses would have been minimal on the ground. Sure the pax on the civillian were sadly sacrificed but that was the bomber’s original plan anyway. On the other hand if the RAF Typhoons got the civillian down lown enough over an ocean already ready with some rescue vessels ready to go out then there would be a chance of saving some of the civillian pax.
2 Typhoon flankers and one Typhoon/other RAF a/c up top preventing the civillian gaining any unecessary height would be the ideal.
The RAF train and possibly require regular drill in these manouvres and probably would have got themselves out of trouble had the civillian detonated.
On the other hand that is what we admire and bow to the RAF as guardians of our UK skies for – to do exactly that including the ultimate sacrifice for Queen and Country.
And had I lost a loved one on the flight in question (unlikely as they have more discerning choice of carrier) I would sadly mourn but know that their sacrifice was to ensure the safety of many others not directly even connected with the incident.
Had this possibly happened (USAF jets) in the case of the 9/11 hijacked aircraft Nos 3 and 4 then history of that day may be different. No more on No 4 though enough controversy rages already on that one. And by miracles if Nos. 1 and 2 had been intercepted what a different world we would be facing.
All praise to the boys in blue I salute you and this country needs you.
Ahem nearly Emu burgers or a nearly badly damaged aircraft
You’ll love this then… had me laughing for ages: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=010_1295904756
Hi Bmused55
Ahem nearly committed to Emu burgers for a long time or a nearly badly damaged aircraft.:D
My uncle (dad’s first cousin) a UK qualified doctor flew himself from surgery to surgery out in remote parts of Oz.
I must ask him how many similar near misses he had.
He must have some good tales of kangaroos, ostriches and emus to tell, leaving aside any ‘Crocodile Dundee’ tales.;)
Thks for the vid.
Supposedly Lothian Buses have a random (on clocking in) breath test for drivers
Traces of alcohol can remain in the blood for 24 hours. The aviation limit is so low that a couple of beers the night before would probably show up the next morning. So it is best not to drink alcohol on the evening prior to a flight.
Hi 27vet
Supposedly Lothian Buses have a random (on clocking in) breath test for drivers.
No good professional pilots would do anything bar abstain for the necessary pre flight period therefore introducing this on major safety concious airlines may not cause too many Union protests. Administering it randomly may be a problem at out of ‘home base’ airports and possibly the requirement that all flight crew prior to boarding take the test may be easier to implement.
All good professional pilots please don’t take my head off, I am not pointing fingers at any of you that adhere strictly to the rules and ethics.;)
As already said by many the irresponsible media ‘make hay even while the sun does not shine’ with reporting sensationalistic ‘garbage’.
Yeah pull all my legs – no retract that not the 3rd one….
I think you meant to say SQ, as in Singapore Airlines, not South African Airways…;)
Hi Cloud9
Yeah pull all my legs – no retract that not the 3rd one – too painful:D
Clarifier inserted in to my previous post.;)
Jay
No worries – I knew you were ….
he he, I was just kidding you on. We all know what you meant. π
Hi Bmused55
No worries (Aussie coming out there, heaven forbid, what’s happening to my Queen’s English they taught me, the SNPs got it I guess).. I knew you were.:D
They may consider having ‘Eunuchs’ as stewards !!!!
……..who wouldn’t want to fly on Virgins United…….?
Hi ChrisGlobe
They may consider having ‘Eunuchs’ as stewards – then everything will be boringly ship shape and ‘bristol’ fashion.:rolleyes:
Clarifier put in to my post
What do V Australia (VA) have to do with this? π
Hi Bmused55
Clarifier put in to my post.;)
Jay
The big operational question is are they able to buy fuel at preferential prices ?
The big operational question is are they able to buy fuel at preferential prices ?
While in their ‘home territories’ is there a preferential price for aviation fuel that they enjoy that gives them an operational advantage and if so they simply buy in the staff to provide the customer service and pay the flying crew attractive packages and they are in a position of strength?
Possibly from a western business perspective frightening but true.
Sadly this has happened to many developed country businesses and industries. Only yesterday at a London Stock Exchange led talk and Q&A we shared similar thoughts that the increased luxury/standard of living (I call laziness) of the developed west has led to the ease of buying commodities and services from developing countries and has resulted in a vast depletion of local jobs.
GA – Yes of course that was why the tongue in cheek comment about my blinking
Hi GA
Yes of course that was the reason for the tongue in cheek comment about my blinking. π
As in that time AirAsia stopped showing interest and Etihad replaced them as interested parties in V. Atlantic.;)
Not a pretty situation at all !
Not a pretty situation at all !
Pilots (good and excellent ones) seeking jobs and an experienced pilot has to go and soil his copybook.
It’s easy to be moral philosophers but the stresses on human beings just now is taking it’s toll during the prolonged economic recession and this seems to be a classic case,of priorities gone haywire.
I agree with Andy it was either the culprit came to ‘recognise himself in the mirror’ and through Delta sought counselling and rehab. or the Captain had to spill the beans.
The flight could not have left the ground until a replacement was found as the right seat could not have been occupied by the very ‘hungover’ pilot.
Did I blink and miss something – AirAsia back to learning to fly then I guess!!
Did I blink and miss something – AirAsia back to learning to fly then I guess rather than making a bid for VA?
After the recent thread showing the mess made of a slogan (Anyone Can Fly) carrying AirAsia aircraft dug deep in the runway/taxiway peripheries; maybe they had sensible second thoughts.:D
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106082
Good thing too that they came down to earth !!!:rolleyes:
The Virgin Atlantic routes are the attraction – Branson being the only one holding the decision for the majority stake 51% or is Etihad interested in the Singapore Airlines stake (minority =<49%)?
Same topic – different options on replacement aircraft for Southwest
Same topic – different options on replacement aircraft for Southwest
Slightly older article by a few weeks to that of the FT.
http://www.glgroup.com/News/Southwest-Airlines-fires-warning-shot-across-Boeings-bow-51982.html
Southwest Airlines fires warning shot across Boeing’s bow
January 3, 2011
Analysis by: GLG Expert Contributor
Analysis of: Southwest doesnβt rule out fleet type expansion beyond the 717
Published at: http://www.flightglobal.com
“Summary
Southwest Airlines fired a warning shot across Boeing’s bow when its #2 executive said the carrier is open to a third aircraft type, after the 737 and incoming 717. This opens prospects for Bombardier and its CSeries, but it’s not likely the Airbus A319neo has much of a chance.”
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