nJayMI found this on the Airbus site post Paris Air Show 2005
I found this on the Airbus site post Paris Air Show 2005
http://events.airbus.com/A380/EVENTS/lebourget2005/articleDetail.aspx?ArtId=453
JUNE 16, 2005
INDIAN CARRIER INDIGO ORDERS 100 FIRM AIRBUS A320 FAMILY AIRCRAFT
InterGlobe Enterprises Limited today announced its plans to launch IndiGo, its nation-wide low-cost airline venture. IndiGo has committed for 100 firm A320 family aircraft with Airbus – world renowned for the customer friendly features and comfort of its airliners.
The venture is being jointly promoted by InterGlobe Enterprises Limited and Rakesh Gangwal, globally recognized for his management skills and expertise in the airline industry.
“IndiGo is the result of extensive analysis and planning by very experienced airline executives and we are convinced it will be a successful new player in a market that is both large and fast growing,” says Airbus President and CEO Noël Forgeard. “Airbus A320 Family aircraft have been chosen by many of the world’s new and successful low-cost carriers, and we like to think that our products are making a valuable contribution to their prosperity.”
Wikipedia adds fuel to the fire with the aircraft numbers for Indigo but adds the possibility that additional to the 34 in the current fleet there are 5 on short term lease.
nJayMThe actual numbers before 2016 is what I am keen on
from beancounter to beancounter:
If you rotate planes every 6 years and have orders from 2015 to 2025 you have probably already ordered the replacements of the replacements.
On another note, the livespan of an aircraft type is getting very long. The A320 familly now has orders till 2025 that would be 35? years in production. The 737 and 747 have already been in production longer. Where is the variation for us spotters coming from?
rgds
EC
Hi civilspotter
The actual numbers in service before 2016 is what I am keen on.
KabirT in his post above has indicated that there was an order placed at the 2005 Paris Air Show.
In theory if the 2005 Paris orders are firm then they should be showing as in actual service quite shortly and hopefully account for the additional 46 (80 of the 180 on MOU are replacements) or a phased replacement of the existing 34 or some of them.
As you say the 6 year rotation may then make a little bit more sense of the 80 on MOU over 9 years as replacements of replacements and the 100 as growth and possibly eventually some as replacements.
I personally for a LCC/LCA would rotate a/c out of service on actual hours in the air rather than on a pure 6 year period (yes possibly a personal statement with regards amortisation/depreciation)
I share your opinion from a spotters perspective though of the longevity of models depriving us of much visual variation.
nJayMDoes the 2006 Paris Air Show order account for the balance 46?
nJayM: do not forget the order IndiGo places during the 2006 Paris air show.
Hi kabirT
Does the 2005 Paris Air Show order account for the balance 46?
(80 on new MOU as replacements – 34 in actual current service)
Are there firm delivery dates for the complete 2006 Paris Air Show order ?
nJayMSomewhere the numbers aren’t ……
some more info…
“Our info is 80 planes are replacement and 100 are growth. IndiGo uses planes on 6-year sale/leaseback.” – Reuters
Hi KabirT
Somewhere the numbers aren’t falling in to place.
Indigo’s current fleet details are (source Indigo Web site 13 Jan 2011)-
Aircraft Airbus A320-200; Total in Service 34; Seats 180
Engines IAE V2500
Yet you say 80 planes are replacement. (of the 180 on a MOU)
For what aircraft (they currently have 34 Airbus A320-200 – where are the balance 46 coming from) and when?
Nothing personal here just my ‘bean counter’ arithmetic may be bad but not that bad.
nJayMTotally my point about possibly ‘wild’ forecasting/extrapolation
Hang on, this is an MOU. Meaning not an order. IndiGo (however unlikely) can still back out with ease.
Expect another announcement for another order (which will be this one being signed for) soon. Making it look like to Job Bloggs, they have two 180 frame orders.
Hi Bemused55
Totally my point in my earlier post about possibly ‘ultra optimistic’ business forecasting/extrapolation.
An MOU is no where close to a real order.
Juggling words in English does not increase the real cash flow to EADS/Airbus. May re-assure less astute bankers but not real ‘bean counters’.
I am assuming there will be possibly many considerations (some mentioned in posts here already) requested by Indigo before the actual money gets paid and the MOU converts to a firm order of 180 or maybe finally much less.
I suspect it is a lot of ‘hype’ and ‘bait’ as a possible attempt to transfer technology (part assembly) to India.
Shucks possibly more EU job losses.
nJayMI couldn’t agree more
[QUOTE=Skymonster;1688532 Sadly the industry has changed a lot since then… ……the industry would need to charge in order to provide service levels they demand when things go wrong.
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Andy
I couldn’t agree more.
I still do EDI-LHR T5 return on BA for relatively better value overall (seat reservation, baggage allowance, meal/snack/drinks, etc included) and with the rapid Heathrow Express journey into Central London it can be quite an efficient contrast from going in to Stanstead on an LCA. (I book as early as possible of course with BA)
nJayMInteresting from a bean counter’s perspective
WOW, I did not see that one coming at all! That’s a whole lot of planes! Does IndiGo intend to operate all of them, or will the last deliveries be used to replace the first deliveries? Kind a like Ryanair replacing their planes before their first D-chek (?) comes due.
Interesting from a bean counter’s perspective – (mine).
Their current fleet details are –
Aircraft Airbus A320-200; Total in Service 34; Seats 180
Engines IAE V2500
The new order against the new MOU begins in 2016 (5 years away) and the spread of the new order is over 9 years (2025)
Interesting extrapolation/financial forecasting is all I can say at this stage.
nJayMIndiGo commits to 180 A320s, largest jet order in aviation history
Becomes a launch customer for the A320neo
Here’s the official Airbus URL (not much different in it)
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/indigo-commits-to-180-a320s-largest-jet-order-in-aviation-history/3103/
nJayMI wouldn’t describe EZY as a weak LCA
If it was BA it wouldn’t be in the news.
Kick the weak, as per the usual British press……
……Must be hell being a reporter, my heart bleeds.
Wan**ers, as bad as the politicians they often mock.
I wouldn’t describe EZY as a weak LCA.
Stelios is recently kicking up hell (my recent post) and demanding more EPS.
In my post I suggested exactly what has possibly happened in this situation – a sacrifice of customer service in the pursuit of pure profit. http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105917
nJayMI am not disputing the technicalities of what you say…
Not necessarily the airline’s fault – could be the fueler. No point in crossing an airline off because of a mistake. Realistically what could easyJet do? The aircraft couldn’t be legally dispatched overweight, the fuel couldn’t be taken off (well not in a reasonable way anyway), easyJet only have a couple of Geneva flights into BHX (all likely to be full on Boxing Day), contrary to belief airlines don’t just keep spare aeroplanes and crews kicking around waiting for cockups to happen, and even if they did there could be slot problems (flow problems into Geneva on a busy ski day too possibly)… S@@t happens And could to any airline – seems like this was one of those occasions but sadly the chavs who travel with the locos won’t accept that these days.
Andy
Hi Andy
I am not disputing the technicalities of what you say, and recognise the problem of slots out of BHX and in to Geneva. Nor am I going near the detail in the news report of the problems to passengers as it may be full of ‘holes’.
I have contrasted it with the days when BA had a standby ‘shuttle’ aircraft on the EDI-LHR or GLA-LHR for overflow passengers. These were the days when the shuttle was open ticket, literally walk on board and fly.
If the report is true about all the passenger inconveniences though it sure spoilt some peoples’ festive season/holiday.
nJayMYou aren’t rambling – thanks
There are several instances where overweight aircraft have been lost on/ shortly after take off. Africa is littered with examples (no pun intended) and many people (French investigators not withstanding) believe it was a contributory factor in the loss of Concorde.
hope my rambling helps
regards
“and many people (French investigators not withstanding) believe it was a contributory factor in the loss of Concorde” – count me in on this belief – I have been driven by close French friends past the crash site at Gonesse long before any tidying up was done. What a tragedy all round
Lindermyer you certainly aren’t rambling – thanks for the comments.
nJayMUntil more facts emerge it looks like it !!!
Until more facts emerge it looks like it !!!
And they want to buy Branson out or Singapore Airlines’s share of VA out – God help VA ?
nJayMDo I read from this mostly useful set of posts ?
Do I read from this mostly useful set of posts ? …..
1. This wasn’t an emergency obviously by strict definition – an overweight aircraft deemed unsafe for take off.
2. The fuel once on the aircraft is the property of the airline. Therefore it cannot be returned to fuel trucks as they and the fuel in them (if they have any at all) are the property of the fuel owners.
3. The fuel trucks are simply ‘pumping’ devices between underground fuel storage tanks and pipes with safety shut off valves and receiving aircraft.
4. It’s better to give the passengers the ‘big e’ with meagre compensation (if any) rather than have a spare aircraft fly them to their destination ‘pronto’ (like BA used to do with their shuttle services for overflow passengers)
LCA are definitely off my tolerance limits as this shows their attitude to passengers even though the overloading of fuel was most likely the airline’s fault.
Aviation fuel if dumped (anywhere) in an emergency while in flight is okay but in the situation that presented (non emergency on ground) there was no where to dump it without everyone being accused of pollution.
Isn’t this a scenario that has surely presented before, and in one extreme case in point ended in a tragedy most of us in this forum lament?
nJayMAnyone know what actually happened ?
Anyone know what actually happened ?
Maybe someone took the company slogan “Now everyone can fly” literally.
nJayMYes see Boeing URL
I seem to recall Boeing starting to produce a 767-400 in the mid to late 90s on the back of an order from Delta A/L. Did this model ever go into production and did any other airlines buy them. How many were built
Yes see Boeing URL http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/background.html
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