nJayMSo its an AN24 specific ‘wonder’ bucket
From what both Kabir and Zoot Horn Rollo state it is a AN24 specific ‘wonder’ bucket, with lid ofcourse.
Just hope MOL doesn’t get his hands on similar buckets.
It will sure give Boeing 737s a terrible reputation if he does.
nJayMYou aren’t that old surely Kabir …..?
Reminds me of a flight on an AN 24. They had a water pucket as a loo to pee in. If you had go do the other stuff, you have to wait before it lands. 🙂
Hi kabir
You surely aren’t that old….., it sounds in airline terms ‘pre-historic’.
A bucket of water for doing the waterworks in and holding back with anything more solid.
Out of sheer interest was the ‘bucket’ anchored to the structure and large enough and how did they cope when it did fill up, ie who emptied it ?
Sssh, quiet MOL may read/hear and think of getting rid of the last toilet he proposes on RyanAir and replace it with a bucket and sell adult nappies if anyone needs to do anything else more solid.
Give us a bigger laugh.
How long ago was all this and where ?
nJayMInteresting – at least it was pillows not meal trays – messy
Pillow fight on Lufty
Was/is there any confirmation as to the actual cause/reason for this strange behaviour?
Initially watching the video clip I thought the female looked almost atired as cabin crew but then when she was shepherded away by a member of the cabin crew I assumed different.
Tongue in cheek – possibly they were ‘testing the pillows to destruction’ – didn’t see any pillows burst in the video clip.
Good aspect is that it wasn’t meal trays with meals on them – could have been a ‘tad’ messy.
If Monty Python was still being produced – this would give them great material.
nJayMAt least we aren’t discussing MOL- Ryanair – reduction in toilets
Hi TommyInYork
At least we aren’t discussing MOL madness and a reduction in toilets on RyanAir.
Downstairs toilets do possibly give you an opportunity of stretching your legs on long haul routes.
I personally would concentrate though, on the your planned exciting destination rather than the upstairs downstairs concept of toilets since you aren’t on RyanAir.
nJayMThere was a very interesting documentary on Sky a few Years ago and it was based on the effects of a sun storm on Canada/NewYork and if the facts are correct the possible effects on the ground could be quite extensive ,
I would guess that manufactures of aircraft will have taken EMP Very serious and will taken steps to eliminate its effects as mush as possible
Now I believe that Nasa Have 2 satellites in position to monitor such an event and give some amount of warning of its approach and to switch those systems at risk off until the storm has passed
In the URL http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29may_noaaprediction/ dated 29 May 2009 (you quoted previously) and the one I opened the thread with is also from NASA http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/solarstorm3D.html dated 14 April 2009 the problem is being identified, and commented on and they claim to have 2 satellites in position acting as possible warning systems.
Is there evidence to show that aircraft manufacturers are taking this seriously as well as airbourne and ground support equipment manufacturers?
e.g. existing satellites launched previously cannot be easily protected and may be part of the essential guidance support systems aircraft all over the world depend on.
Other than NASA has anyone seen or able to quote any evidence of European scientific interest or research into this topic?
Unlike the pre Y2K predictions of doom and gloom including aircraft going haywire because of failing ATC and radar computers (none of this ever came to pass) and other utilities on the ground having crises this problem looks real.
nJayMMaybe then the ‘drill’ should avoid alerting the media with aircraft types
[QUOTE=rdc1000;1621050]Only the long haul ops of Air Zimbabwe to London (!) and Kuala Lumpur/Beijing. Whoops 😮
Maybe then the ‘drill’ should avoid alerting the media and certainly avoid stating aircraft models or types especially if they have scheduled flights in and out of Harare of those same models or types.
nJayMThat’s an unusual – special – for EDI
That’s an unusual – special for EDI.
With tongue in cheek it came to my mind that it would be a whole lot of Sushi that could be carried in a ‘Jumbo’ – but obviously not. I love Sushi by the way only second to SukiYaki.
I could have gone out to EDI had I known too.
nJayMI have watched the battle of skills and wits with a wry smile
Hi Guys,
After reading the posts – battle of skills and wits, brings a wry smile to my face.
My personal opinions –
1. Every accident involving an aircraft that occurs at a regular (high throughput) airport is an expensive risk that if it can be reduced or avoided would be excellent.
2. At a busy airport (even with a second runway) if a crash blocks and/or damages a runway or it’s surrounds this can cause untold havoc to other airlines in cost, lost customers and flight crews being over their time limits due to delays and replacement crews being in the wrong place. (just to mention a few likely problems)
3. To those pilots who fly the MD-11 and love it. Great that is again a personal opinion of enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with having aircraft you love flying but possibly consider getting them out of the busy airways and airports.
Or in future moth ball some for posterity at museums or collectors airfields.
May I add though to your families or relatives and to the world of flying you enthusiatic highly skilled pilots are better alive than dead in a tragic MD-11 freighter accident.
4.Boeing should soon be able to commercially decide whether they see a long future for the MD-11 (freighter/passenger) and in what sectors.
5.Maybe the best commercial value could come from salvage of all the supposed on-board high tech instruments, systems and controls including HUD.
To this effect may I suggest if you haven’t already please watch or get a copy of Channel 5’s Documentary 30 September 2008 – “Megastructures: 747 Demolition”.
This was referred to in this section of the Forum previously
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84793
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=91809&highlight=megastructures
You guys sure kept the moderators busy with the personal mud slinging on this thread.
In my opinion in commercial aviation it’s always worth looking forward especially at increased passengers, comfort, safety, fuel efficiency, and increased revenue. Let history take it’s course with some aircraft that may be should become enthusiasts ‘fun to flys’ at air shows.
nJayM? how the media react – possibly controversial angle though
“Telling the media was part of the exercise. We wanted to see how the media would react”
End Quote
David Chawota
Civil Aviation Authority head” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10879353
Testing media reaction – interesting but possibly controversial angle had any actually gone to print.
Hopefully there are no scheduled 767 flights in or out of Harare routinely, as if the media had foolishly published a vague early “hot off the press report” then it could have possibly caused some people in parts of the world some anguish in case anyone they knew were due in to Harare from London that same day. Had this gone to print many relatives wouldn’t know if the person/s they were concerned about were on a 767 or another model aircraft so in my personal opinion it is a little like playing with fire to include giving media ‘bogus’ messages during purely a ‘drill’.
nJayMThanks – spotted your note preceding the pics as well
Hi Mate
It took off just after 9:16 in the morning, i was pitched up enjoying a cuppa and it taxied past me and took off banked left at end of the runway and was the last we saw of it
Thanks for the positives all 🙂
Hi Pete
Thanks for the update on the C27J but I also notice since that you’d made a comment preceding your pics which I missed (was so keen to look at your excellent work with the lens).
The C27J was one of my favourite displays at Farnborough 2008 and I saw it static on Saturday 24 July and was hoping I’d see it flying on Sunday 25, never knowing I’d have to be a very early worm to catch it at 9.16 am.
Pity it has great market potential and makes a fun/great display to watch.
nJayMGreat pics; what time did the C27J Spartan fly on Sun 25 July ?
Nice pics, thanks.
What time did the C27J Spartan take to the air on Sunday 25 July?
I was in the grandstand from the start of display flying until 4 pm and cannot recall seeing the C27J go up while I was there, although the C130 did display as scheulded?
nJayMyep…they have a tendency to do that, regularly. :rolleyes:
Hi KabirT
Though this is old news on this crash there are 50 pictures and some of them are controversial if their caption reports are to be believed; as they speak of a ‘flash strike’ by Air India workers in response to a ‘gagging’ order issued regarding this same crash.
There are some heartening shots of rescue of the few survivors and the survivors post rescue. Miracles still happen.
See URL and scroll down to the bottom of the page for the pictures and a video.
Your views would be appreciated.
I found this only by chance while looking at the sad news on the Pakistan Air Crash.
nJayMApparently, the plane made an ILS approach to runway 30, so it can then go on a racecourse track to come in and land from the other direction (runway 12) which had no ILS. But after the first 90° turn it went straight into the mountains.
CAA is leading the investigation and i hear a team of BAE is also coming tomorrow.
That is extremely concerning (disaster after a 90 degree turn) and I hope they find both CVR and FDR intact as in theory the reported plan seemed logical (approach on ILS on 30 – then go racecourse track round to 12 to land).
Also the airfield radar plots and ATC recordings will be invaluable in the investigation.
nJayMElectronics and systems alone cannot sustain a modern airliner
mmmmmmmmmm…so MD-11’s with electronic flight bags, head-up displays with enchanced forward vision sensors and main deck fire suppression systems are not up-to-date then???? It shows how little you know about the industry when you use the terminology “kept up-to-date by specialists”
(please pm me if you don’t know what these are)
Advanced electronics and systems alone (and whether I personally know about them or not is not critical ) cannot sustain a passenger airliner as there are many more vital aspects that contribute to a modern airliner’s overall safety in a progressively improving aviation safety concious world.
The MD-11 could continue as a freighter in and out of less critical passenger airfields or in areas of the world where safety lies far behind greed for profit.
nJayMComplete crap. Nearly all pilots who fly the MD-11 love it. As for it being dated, yes it has the good old Douglas cable and pulley flight controls, no FBW but have you ever stepped foot in the flight deck? It certainly isn’t dated and has a high level of automation. Nobody cares if you want to fly in one.
It can’t be all crap – someone somewhere that has good business sense and takes customer/passenger attitudes seriously must have made decisions to reflect what is (if accurate) shown on this list at http://md-eleven.net/Production-List
The only major European carrier shown in the list still flying the MD-11 in passenger configuration is KLM which surprises me.
The facts in URL http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm speak for themselves and the original accident reports can be used to authenticate the summaries/extracts shown in the URL.
Nice flight deck or not it’s reaching a big decision time at a level higher than our arguments can ever influence – Boeing.
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