nJayMThe voice of the captain reminded me of Donald Sutherland
The voice of the captain reminded me of Donald Sutherland
Extremely unique. And I agree who said romance is dead. Alive and kicking in Canada obviously.
Interesting how the cockpit door did not become controversial as since 9/11 I miss that option that I sometimes used to enjoy when I was on a flight where a friend is captain or 1st officer.
nJayMThis is synonymous with the problem of hidden charges
This is synonymous with the problem of hidden charges.
bmused55 has brough the up the problem of hidden charges in the thread titled giving “RyanAir Another Chance”.
Over jealous marketing, in reality marketing falling behind the ‘real time’ situation (ie flights fully booked yet advertisement is still visible on web pages, etc). LCC’s aren’t alone as rail companies are always being accused of this.
Trading Standards authorities can move on all similar issues if they wish to along with in this case the ASA.
nJayMYes that’s part of their not so ethical business plan
[QUOTE=cloud_9;1706930]There is no value in suing them if you’ve only paid an extremely low-fare because, as Bmused55 suggested earlier, the cost of taking them to court to get your money back far outweighs the cost of the original ticket in the first place…and boy don’t Ryanair (and others!) know about it and use this to their advantage.[/QUOTE]
Hi Cloud9
Yes that’s part of some LCCs’ not so ethical cunning business plan/s.
Yet if a trading standards officer/CAB took up the case wrote on behalf of aggrieved customer/s and individual banks disallowed the transactions or re-called them on behalf of their customers (aggrieved by the LCC’s un-professional financial behaviour) the cases would mount up. The FSA would have to act against the LCC if adequate evidence went collectively from Trading Standards.
It does not involve a customer necessarily having to fight their individual case through the SC court/s.
Certainly ‘across the pond’ lawyers (no win no fee) would have a field day (they would get a group of genuinely aggrieved customers and represent them) and it could in theory close the LCC down pronto with a hefty law suit/s and damages awarded against the LCC.
nJayMThis is a whole different ball park to un-authorised transactions
This is a whole different ball park to un-authorised transactions[QUOTE=mrtotty;1706806]Using Ryanair to save money is ironic. One way or another, they will extract from you the difference between their headline fare and what the next cheapeast fare was, plus more besides.
You’ll probably end up wishing you’d flown a full-service airline, but good luck anyway.[/QUOTE]
Hi mrtotty
Bmused55 was originally concerned with the possibility of unauthorised transactions. That could see RyanAir closed very quickly and MO’L in jail for fraud.
What you refer to is the ‘almost blackmail’ situation they put the traveller in. For example you cannot board or disembark before you pay more. At this stage in the hurry (RyanAir flight is called, you cannot get an alternative flight) you may inadvertently not see essential T&C which may implicate you in authrorising further charges via the card (it’s still illegal to do this – but they get round it by saying that in principle you agree since you accepted the new T&C giving them permission to debit your card further).
They bank on customers who are either too busy or don’t see any value in suing them and in principle just want to go from A to B and choose to ignore the hidden surcharges (and amusingly say they flew LCC).
Many LCCs should be re named LCCWHC – Low Cost Carrier With Hidden Charges.
nJayMContinental must have done the checks previously as their 67 aren’t grounded
Continental must have done the checks previously as their 67 Boeing 757s aren’t grounded
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41610832/ns/travel-news/
A strange oversight on the part of United
nJayMA lawyer will keep you right – and you shouldn’t have to go to a SC Court
Yup. One of my friends is following up on it. It’s illegal for sure. But he’s not sure he wants to chase them for £7, knowing full well it’ll cost him 100 times that to get anywhere close to taking them to a small claims court.
Hi Bmused55
A CAB/Trading standards lawyer will keep you right – and you shouldn’t have to go to a SC Court, simply get your bank or CC company behind you and dis allow/have the bank or CC company reclaim any unauthorised transaction. Before which of course check the small print in your original T&C. That still does not permit RyanAir to retain your complete CC or DC details after your original transaction cleared under secure electronic trading conditions.
nJayMSafe journey an dhit em where it hurts if they touch a penny without your permission
Today, for the first time in 6 years I have booked a flight with Ryanair. 😮
As money is extremely tight I had no other choice than to entrust FR with 50 of my hard earned pounds sterling. The next cheapest fare I could find was with easyJet for £119. Normally I’d have taken that but needs must 🙁
Details are:
Outbound:
Flight FR3648 Depart EDI at 06:25 and arrive BRE at 09:05
Inbound:
Flight FR3647 Depart BRE at 07:25 and arrive EDI at 08:10The last time I booked with them, they changed my booking and wanted money to put it back to how I had it on my printed confirmation sheet. More money than the original booking was for! This cheated me out of my last chance to fly a 737-200 from within the UK (and probably forever too).
I must admit to feeling incredibly apprehensive about clicking that confirm button after giving them my card details.
I’m hoping it goes smoothly but cannot help remain suspicious of them.In short I am expecting this to go wrong in some way or another.
Expect the worse, hope for the best.
Hi Bmused55,
I don’t envy your predicament in the situation described.
Let your bank know or your CC company that you aren’t authorising anything more than agreed at the time of pressing the ‘confirm’ button.
In theory when you transact electronically there is a simple secure trading triangle.
You – the customer paying by Debit or Credit Card
The Merchant – in this case RyanAir
Your bank or CC company
You are presented with a trading proposal/offer to purchase on screen by RyanAir (The Merchant). You look at the total and the T&C and authorise payment using your DC or CC ensuring you are seeing a secure trading icon. The payment is securely cleared or rejected by your Bank or CC company. The Merchant should not be receiving/retaining all your CC or DC details to initiate any more payments without your knowledge. The Merchant will have your demographic details (name.address, telephone, maybe passport number for flights which you gave them) but not your full financial details (although you entered your financial details on the screen they should not be visible to the Merchant – only cleared in encrypted form to and through your bank or CC company). The Merchant does not require your full financial details as all he/she is interested in is whether a full payment has been authorised or rejected.
I am not suggesting RyanAir are frauds but if your Card details are used by them without your having agreed in the T&C of the main transaction you have them by the ‘short and curlies’.
Your local trading standards officers or CAB can keep you right and a lawyer will be happy to file against RyanAir if they have transgressed. Your bank or CC company should support you and give you a free replacement card with a new number at once.
Good luck and safe journey to Bremen and back.
nJayMAha we have a down to earth numerate post!
I see journalists are as innumerate in the UK as they are in the U.S.
Sounds like someone sold Easyjet a really expensive wax and polish job.
Hi P.Koschei
Journalists make money on ‘sort’ of facts. Knowing that only a tiny minority of those they tarnish, will bother to take them to the ‘legal cleaners’ (cost, time and effort).
Maybe they threw in a manicure and pedicure for life for EasyJet’s CEO in the package.
My gut feeling is that if the aviation world knew about this before or since 2002 when TripleO went public and if it made savings of the claims made then it would be standard for most civil aircraft.
nJayMTripleO claim on their web site to have painted the Vulcan
TripleO claim on their web site to have painted the Vulcan
http://tripleops.com/index.php is TripleO’s URL
Having been established since 2002 it does seem a long haul to only get recognised now in the civil aviation world.
I am no chemist or materials expert but if the details provided on TriplO’s web site are plausible, then the polymer coating acts as a sealant (literally shutting off all the pores in the aircraft’s skin) and the ultra lightweight paint is then applied.
nJayMThese colours are unique for Boeing – a tribute to some of Boeings customers
just another quick picture..
These colours are unique for Boeing supposedly a tribute to some of Boeing’s customers for whom these colours are in keeping with cultural themes of good fortune.
nJayMGo for it stun us with your critique
Read me latest post. I’m no luddite.
In the aeroplane world, as you know…things only improve because somewhere, 250 people enter the ground like a dart.
Hi PeeDee
Never suggested you were a luddite.
Things don’t take an airliner disaster to improve – progress is made all the time.
Here are two pics of the structures of the Boeing 787 and the Boeing 747-800, stun us with your critique of the structures.
Source http://www.seattlepi.com/boeing/787/787primer.asp
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Source http://www.newairplane.com/747/incredible/
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nJayMThanks for this – I learnt something useful
Ah, it doesn’t really come from being a purist musician, it comes from many years as a live sound engineer (the guy you see at concerts in the middle of the audience behind a big thing with loads of dials and buttons that even we don’t understand).
Basically when we talk about “weighting” we talk about applying a curve to a measurement in an attempt to make it more appropriate for a specific purpose. A, B and C weighting curves attempt to simulate how the human ear hears sound, but there’s a problem. The A weighting curve (along with the B and C curve) were developed with a pure tone in mind (so a fairly pure sine wave like a whistle), but the human ear responds very differently when it encounters a pure tone and when it’s hearing sounds over many octaves like a jet engine produces. So we could take, for example, a 737-800 that doesn’t produce a huge amount of low frequency sound and something like an A330 that does, and using the A weighted curve the 737 could actually appear louder in the measurement because the curve is ignoring the higher amount of low frequency energy the A330 is producing. The A330 could seriously rattle windows and cause much more annoyance than the 737, but the smaller 737 could still measure as the loudest because the A weighting curve is ignoring the low frequency energy.
So yeah, it’s a kind of meaningless measurement.
🙂
Thanks for this – I learnt something useful.
When I last went to a live concert (The ‘Boss’ in Glasgow, Hampden Park penultimate live concert) I have guys like you to thank for making me want to never go home and just sit or stand simply lapping it all up.
Thanks again.
nJayMKilling off so much innovation – ahem !
She’s a bute alright. Stunning lines, stunning wing design.
It’ll kill off the A380. Mind you, the jugular of that has already been slit, it’s a long death.
I hope it kills off plastic aeroplanes too, incl. 787, XWB and C series. The technology/experience isn’t ready for paying passengers to be put at risk by using CFRP in primary class 1 structures on large airframes. Keep CFRP to secondary panels and U/c doors, fairings etc.
Hi PeeDee,
The Boeing 747-800 will certainly give Airbus A380 a run for its money and win back some lost ground for Boeing in the >400 seat pax airliners but it’s hardly likely to kill off the A380.
As for the Boeing 787, the Airbus XWB and the C series being killed off it’s most unlikely.
Innovation with sound R&D behind it helps society to move forward otherwise we would all be wearing animal skins like Fred and Barney, driving around in Model Ts, cycling on Penny Farthings and flying in canvas string-bags.
Have confidence things do progress to the betterment of humanity most of the time.
nJayMAs requested KabirT
Jay could you post the cockpit picture?
Hi KabirT
As requested
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Apologies Boeing for infringing copyright but all in a good cause of enthusiasts – acknowledging source of picture http://www.newairplane.com/747/incredible/
nJayMNow you are in a purist musicians league and I am out of my depth
dBa is used by all airports and it’s the only measurement allowed for commercial use at airports. Unfortunately the A, B and C weighting curves were only really developed for measuring pure tones which jet engines don’t produce and neither do concerts, which again are generally measured using A weighting. It’s one of those measurements and requirements someone in an office has dreamed up without really knowing what it means or realising it’s actually an incredibly meaningless measurement in the real world.
-sound engineer whinge over-
Now you are in a purist musicians league as an expert and I am out of my depth. No contest apart from commenting that until the dBa measurement is replaced that is the only comparison parameter provided by airports.
Even Government bureaucracy changes eventually and it’s by the ‘boffins’ and purists such as yourself agreeing on better measurements along with economic measuring devices that dBa will possibly be phased out as a measurement standard at airports.
Thanks for the technically useful comments on sound.
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