why don’t you try http://www.avcom.co.za
They seem to have a busy forum down there with lots of air force stuff.
will do – thx for the reference
bump…
anyone???
I have found one old colour image of a SAAF Impala wearing this emblem – the shield is a blue field – I’m hoping someone can identify and/or show a sharper/cleaner version.
cheers, JJ
If you had clicked on the link in my post, you would have noted that there were 3 different versions on offer in 1987:
sorry, not intended as a slight, I only looked at the image and didn’t follow any links
IIRC they were trying to sell full-price new-built aircraft back then. Now, they’re trying to sell or lease used aircraft at a discount price.
The aircraft have probably paid for themselves by now, allowing BAe to deliver them cheaply, & make their profit on after-sales support.
IIRC, I may still have an old AI issue which included phots and 3 views of what was proposed circa 1987… not an under-the-tail ramp, but at the time the mock-up was a side loading cargo door and deployable ramp
I can recommend another good read (covering the US side of things) …
‘On Silver Wings’ (1942-1944 The Women Airforce Service Pilots of World War II)
by, Marianne Verges, Ballantine Books 1991
ISBN 0-345-36534-8
Very very nice account of the AFSPs and includes some great photos.
From my fading memory, the Tugs were the usual RAF MT Vehicle Blue/Grey paint. Except for Goose Bay in 1970’s when they were Yellow.
( Look at far left of Goose hanger Pic. Circa 1972 ) In fact if you also look at the Tug in ForeGround you can see the yellow painted over the Blue/Grey as the inner structure is still Blue/grey. I did my time at Goose in RAF at time of this pic, so think this covers your question O.F.
Bill T.
slightly off-topic, but ooohhhh, for the absolute die-hard modeler, that’s GOT to be a diorama in the making!
when you’re THAT big, they call you ‘Mister’ or ‘roof’…
I believe what the guys are trying to say is if you want to debate the effectiveness of these aircraft then start your own thread, this is a “news update” thread intended to highlight new events…not to debate anything
ditto… Tango started this as nothing more than a ‘news’ thread – there’s plenty of space elsewhere to debate – please don’t contribute to having a very informative thread closed.
the_baphomet_00 please delete or edit your post. The syrian photos have copyright. Thank you.
I deleted my entry as requested by the photos authentic author.
http://www.elhangardetj.blogspot.com (explanation of happened).
The magazine in fact, have more syrian photos, in the article.
Regards from Spain.
‘Baph’ has done nothing wrong – he posted links… and all due credit is still intact on those photos
More on the “Bears” – and some more politically hot air by the opposition from Canoe.ca ….
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/08/25/15134021.html
Russian bombers turned away
PM in Arctic promoting Canadian sovereignty
By David Akin, Parliamentary Bureau chiefRESOLUTE, Nunavut – As Prime Minister Stephen Harper stood on the shores of Allen Bay surveying the Canadian Forces’ annual operations in Canada’s Arctic, Canadian Rangers stood sentry nearby with rifles at the ready for the ever-present and clear danger in the North: A hungry polar bear.
But to hear Harper tell it, in a speech to about about 250 troops here, the real dangers are Russian bombers and “foreign interests” who, Harper said, are hungrily eyeing Canada’s resource-rich North.
“We live in a time of renewed foreign interest in Canada’s Arctic. With foreign aircraft probing the skies, vessels plying northern waters and the eyes of the world gazing our way we must remain vigilant,” Harper said.
Just ahead of Harper’s arrival in Resolute, his officials issued a press release indicating that some Russian Air Force bombers approached Canada’s airspace near Inuvik, N.W.T. Two Canadian CF-18s were scrambled from CFB Bagotville in Quebec and shadowed the Russian “Bears” until they turned around and headed home.
Russian embassy officials have said NORAD is notified when the Russian planes engage in exercises near Canadian or U.S. airspace. But Canadian defence department officials say there was no notice for this week’s flight or one earlier this year off the Labrador coast.
But Canadian officials do say that the Russians have “knocked on Canada’s airspace” more than two dozen times over the last few years.
Liberal MP Larry Bagnell, who represents the Yukon, accused the government of making a big deal out of a routine military exercise.
“When it suits the Conservatives’ purposes they bring forward something the Russians have done routinely, not breaking international law, and all of a sudden make a big case out of it,” said Bagnell. “They’re changing the channel, or trying to get support or get people riled up, pick an adversary and do that.”
Nonetheless, the presence of the Russian Bears as Harper arrived in Canada’s northernmost settlement served a useful political purpose in that it allowed him to speak about the importance of investing in military assets and people to protect Canadian sovereignty in the North.
“All these efforts are towards one non-negotiable priority and that is the protection and promotion of Canada’s sovereignty over what it is our North,” Harper said to the applause of the troops.
The Harper government recently announced it would spend what some analysts say is up to $16 billion for new F-35 fighter aircraft. The Liberals say if they form the government, they will “review” the deal, suggesting that Canada does not need new fighter aircraft.
Regarding Canadian Airspace…
Airspace means the portion of the atmosphere controlled by a country above its territory, including its territorial waters or, more generally, any specific three-dimensional portion of the atmosphere.
The Canadian Domestic Airspace includes all of Canada and extends out over the Pacific, Arctic, and Atlantic Oceans. It is broadly divided into the Northern Domestic Airspace (NDA) and the Southern Domestic Airspace (SDA).
Please remember that ALL the islands ‘North of 60’ west of Greenland and east of the Alaska/Yukon border and as far north as the Geographic north pole ARE Canadian territory. The Forces maintain CFS Alert on the northern tip of Ellesmere Island (82°30′N)
The Dornier Do335 springs to mind but looking on t’internet shows up quite a few mil and civ.
http://www.freebase.com/view/m/029gdtc
that’s two engines and two props (and Dornier did the same – only closer mount – on the Do-18 flying boat)
can we please drop the ‘football’ references???? and all these trans-oceanic trolls (I’m a Canuck who lives less than a KM from – technically ON – the longest ‘un-guarded’ border in the world) and ‘football’ involves an large green field marked in of all things YARDS – and our version is more entertaining than the one from south of the border. I know ‘soccer’ and yet am addicted to World and European Cups as well as English PL AND Aussie rules Football yet regardless of our linguistic differences, we still share the same common thread of defence and stability.
I DO believe that UCAVs (Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles) are the future, but some folks are a little deceived about the up-coming/current gen of UCAVs – they are NOT designed for air to air combat! They are ‘currently’ designed for strike operations in high-risk situations… quite honestly, I believe that we will not see a UCAV ‘fighter’ undertaking head-to-head air superiority ops for another 10 to 20 years
I would have to concur with ls1 miata – I think the European manufacturers can lead the way in UCAVs (LO) and that’s probably (IMHO) the direction they will go.
1) What Wrightwing said.
2) That’s $9 bn CANADIAN.The $ symbol is used for a lot of currencies (e.g. the Argentinean peso), not just the USD.
C$9 Billion is approx. US$8.6 Billion… depending on the day or the week, our two currencies are ‘nominally’ at par.
Additionally, there is a C$7 Billion 20 year maintenance and repair contract.
How many squadrons will be formed from only 65 aircraft?
most likely 3 Squadrons… the 2 ‘super’ squadrons (Cold Lake and Bagotville – we’ll most likely see 441 and 416 reactived at F-35 squadrons respectively) with around 24 a/c each and the remainder to 410 at Cold Lake as the OTU.
The earlier decision to switch to the C-model and it’s more robust landing gear was also made on order to facilitate more deployed operation in the North.