RajanThe first frigate under construction at the Shipyard “Yantar” commissioned by India, ready to be launched
http://armstass.su/?page=article&aid=77843&cid=25
Pacific Fleet submarine will “seal” in the term
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http://vpk.name/news/33605_tihookeanskii_flot_poluchit_podlodku_nerpa_v_srok.html
Nerpa will be handed over to the Indian Navy by April 2010.
RajanThe S-400 is a product based out of Russia’s needs & not India’s.
We wont go down that path of having a hybrid ATBM/SAM system.
As far as the ABM component goes, we’ll have the Program Air Defence.
The SAM component, well its not that hard if you put all the pieces together.
Most of the equipments India buys from Russia, Israel were not mean for India. Barak-8 with 70 km range was in pipeline much before India went for a JV. Same goes to recently bought Barak-1 and SPYDER systems. But still we can modify/customize them according to our needs. A long range SAM like S-400 will be a great asset for IAF’s air defence capabilities. I wasn’t talking about ABM but longer range defence against aircrafts.
RajanFirst time heard that Rustom would carry weapons. So far two Rustom prototypes are seen…
India’s UAV Demonstrator Crashes During Trials
By vivek raghuvanshi
Published: 17 Nov 2009 10:45
NEW DELHI – In a setback to India’s indigenous long-range endurance UAV program, a technology demonstrator of the Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) UAV, named Rustom, crashed during the first trials Nov. 16.
Sources in India’s defense research agency, the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), said scientists from Israeli had helped engineers from the Aeronautical Developmental Establishment, DRDO’s Bangalore-based UAV laboratory, to build Rustom.
First flight of the technology demonstrator for MALE UAV called Rustom-I took place on 16-11-2009 at the Taneja Aerospace Air Field near Hosur. The taxiing and takeoff was exactly as planned. Due to misjudgment of altitude of the flight, the on-board engine was switched off through ground command which made the on-board thrust developed to go to zero,” said the official Nov. 17 DRDO news release.
In a departure from traditional practice, Rustom will be produced in partnership with a domestic defense firm. Talks to select the partner, which include the Tata Group, L&T and Godrej & Boyce, are likely to be concluded by year’s end, said DRDO scientists.
DRDO officials said the crash would not scrap the Rustom project.
“There are a lot of gains from the flight. The flight proved the functioning of number of systems such as aerodynamics, redundant flight control, engine, redundant data link etc which go a long way toward development of complex UAVs,” the news release said.
The Rustom would be equipped for intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance; communication and data relay; and scientific and meteorological operations. It will be able to operate in all climates, day or night; have autonomous takeoff and landing from a runway; be capable of carrying guided weapons; have a payload capacity of 250-500 kilograms; and have a low radar and acoustic signature.
The Rustom will be able to remain aloft for more than 24 hours and have a range of 300 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 35,000 feet. It will be able to use satellite links to transmit data, thereby extending its surveillance range beyond 1,000 kilometers.
The 1,100-kilogram UAV also will be equipped with a maritime patrol radar and electro-optic sensors from Israel, and an engine still to be determined. The electronic warfare and communication system will be indigenous.
RajanWhich is where the something else in my remark comes from..
Mark it down as a prediction based on publically available info.
Something like S-400 we need and there is nothing like S-400 until now. So I made my conclusion with S-400 in the list.
SAMs:
Akash
SPYDER
MRSAM
(S-400)
RajanWhy doesn’t India work more closely with Japan with defence matters?
I mean, if you’re worried about China, why not team up with the other big country in the region that is also worried about China?
And why not develop a stealth fighter with Japan instead of Russia? It’s probably too late now…
http://www.hindu.com/2009/11/10/stories/2009111057481000.htm
Many facts. Both countries are not enough close to build a true strategic partnership let alone a JV. Above all Japanese don’t like a country with nuclear weapons except USA! 😉 They are nowhere to sell/buy a weapon to/from India in near future. The new Japanese govt seems to be more tilted towards China than previous one. At the same time Russia traditionally supported India diplomatically and strategically. Russians have much more capable aircraft industry than Japanese as well. So there is only one path…….. and that one is the best. USA will not sell F-22 while Russia want to jointly develop ‘Rapotrsky’!!! 😎
My personal view is that if both countries come closer it will be beneficial for both. Time will tell…
Rajanthose are just two words for me. 🙂 doesn’t explain you assertion.
for that matter PRC economy is much larger than that of India at the moment by all official accounts, but the fleet strengths are quite comparable.
PLAAF has a much larger fleet of aircrafts many of those are 3rd generation though, still they have more 4th generation fighters than IAF. Above all Chinese are increasing the fighter fleet more rapidly than the IAF. Chinese probably spends more money than any other country except USA. I think the size difference will only increase between two.
IAF fighters are good enough to take on PLAAF fighters face to face. But a long range SAM like S-400 will make our defence very strong, when the enemy has numerical advantage. In case of PAF, as they have smaller air force IAF can do ‘extra jobs’ when facing PAF as well. Akash+SPYDER+Barak-8 with S-400 will be great. These will create an entire no-fly-zone for the PLAAF along Indian border. 🙂
as for price, price of what ?
Chinese weapons usually much cheaper than others. So they can buy large number of aircrafts for a particular amount of money. Again numerical advantage….
RajanArticle excerpt from Defense Industry Daily
India & Israel’s Barak SAM Development Project(s)
12-Nov-2009 17:03 ESTDespite a development timeline measured in decades, India’s indigenous “Akash” and “Trishul” programs for surface to air missiles have failed to inspire full confidence. Trishul was eventually cancelled entirely, and Akash is now slated for limited deployment only. India still needed advanced SAMs to equip its navy and army, however, and decided to try to duplicate the success of the Russian partnership that had fielded the excellent PJ-10 BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.
Pure BS. Most of the western newspapers cannot write an article about India without mentioning Trishul and Akash! Trishul was a delayed project but developed one and Akash already accepted by the IAF and IA. It entered full-scale production as a short-to-medium range SAM. Two sq of Akash already in service with the IAF. There is no comparison of Akash and Trishul with Barak-NG. They also have different range.
Rajanhow so ?
Economy & price.
RajanAkash, SPYDER and LR-SAM are good as short to medium range SAMs but we seriously need a long range SAM, something like S-400… :diablo::D
In near future IAF will be no where near the PLAAF wrt to size, so combination of long, medium and short range SAMs will take many burdens from the IAF. Then IAF can do their job more easily and perfectly. It will also protect Indian strategic assets and civilian spots.
India has almost every thing from ground based long range AESA radar, AEROSTAT to satellite based surveillance as well as a good fleet of 4th, future 5th generation fighters and a long range SAM will make Indian air defence impenetrable. 😎
Radars: ( medium/long range)
Rohini 3D-CAR
GM-400
LRTR-1
LRTR-2
AEROSTAT
Satellite based Early Warning
Fighters:
FGFA
MRCA
SU-30MKI
LCA
SAMs:
Akash
SPYDER
MRSAM
(S-400) 😉
RajanProbably speculative within the MOD rather then a real possibility, expect an anouncement from the Defence Secretary that there are no plans to sale PoW!
On a similar note I was rather angry that the recent issue of AFM printed the incorrect news story from the regular press (under the even more incorrect headline that the second carrier was being cancelled – despite the article itself saying it won’t be cancelled and used as a commando carrier) that the PoW won’t be fitted to take F35 when the real story is the aircraft order will be cut down to about fifty to go to the RN. Considering the standard airgroup was going to be around twelve then it would be possible to stand up F35 on both carriers if needed! Considering that the Defence secretary had already stated before AFM had gone to print that this story was wrong I hope it was AFM dropping the ball rather then playing politics!
If the news is true I guess is PoW up for sale! They will induct the first one ie QE.
RajanIf at all this fantasy thing happens. What would India operate out of the QE class carriers. F 35s ? Where will India find the money to buy both the F 35s and the carrier ?
I think money is not the big problem here. It is costly but affordable, but the big question is, ‘Does India need a QE type aircraft carrier?’ My answer is no. Its modern but actually built for RN not IN. It will waste of money when cheaper indigenous solution will be available at the same time ie 2017/18. If the news is true than I think QE goes to RN and PoW up for sale.
I also think it may well be too big for India.
No. India is designing IAC-2 with 65000 ton displacement.
Rajan
Mig-29 upgrade info from Trishul Blog….
http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2009/11/iafs-mig-29upg-upgrade-package-detailed.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI3U/Sv8x3pbM8jI/AAAAAAAABOE/5_XJHV0mKvA/s1600-h/MiG-29UPG-3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI3U/Sv8xaNPr-RI/AAAAAAAABN8/bSXJ_J_bTCw/s1600-h/MiG-29UPG-2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI3U/Sv8w5DkQulI/AAAAAAAABN0/7cqCaL3MWZA/s1600-h/MiG-29UPG-1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI3U/Sv8wRWz_Q7I/AAAAAAAABNs/s7cV4anQGiA/s1600-h/MiG-29UPG-4.jpg
RajanFresh anti-ballistic missile tests soon
Aditya Phatak / DNA
Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:58 IST
Mumbai: Fresh tests of the endo-atmospheric anti-ballistic missile system may be conducted in December-January, VK Saraswat, scientific advisor to the defence minister, said on Wednesday.
“The first phase of the missile defence shield has been going on for years now and fresh tests are likely in December-January,” he said at a seminar on fuel cell technology.
The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO), which Saraswat heads, aims to develop interceptors that can destroy intermediate-range ballistic missiles. In phase-II, DRDO will develop missiles to neutralise inter-continental ballistic missiles. The phase, however, is in the design stage.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_fresh-anti-ballistic-missile-tests-soon_1310453
RajanI never said India has inferior weapons. I think history showed that India had more and better wepoans than China and Pakistan. Do not feel offended with that in any way and neither is India now less then avarage. India might import and China might copy or develope but it is your opinion that it is less. I disagree with that. It is not ethical to say that I am dreaming when you just have an opinion. And I still do not see why you should feel offended.
Read your comment once again and why you think that ‘India and China are not comparable’. And Type59, I better talk about India-China with a Chinese. You can go ahead with India-Pakistan. Its easy to take other’s pride but it is not very easy to defend them. You will fill better in PLAAF thread than IAF or PAF threads. 🙂
IAF to induct 15 indigenously-built Saras aircraft
New Delhi, PTI:
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/8032/iaf-induct-15-indigenously-built.html
15 November 2009
The indigenous aircraft programme has got a boost with the Indian Air Force planning to induct the light transport aircraft Saras into its fleet.
The IAF is in the process of placing orders for acquiring 15 aircraft developed by the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bangalore, official sources said.
The IAF order is considered to be a shot in the arm for NAL. A prototype of the 14-seater aircraft had crashed during a test flight in March, killing three persons onboard.
“The IAF has already finalised that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will be manufacturing the aircraft and the firm order will be placed with the NAL by year-end,” a source said.
This transport aircraft has suffered delays for a decade due to design flaws, an under-powered engine, excess take-off weight and non-availability of components following the 1998 sanctions imposed by the US.
However, when contacted, NAL Director A R Upadhya said that the new aircraft will have better engines that pack more power and engineers have also succeeded in reducing the total weight of the aircraft by 500 kg.
The earlier prototypes were heavier by at least 500 kg, thus leading to operational difficulties.
Upadhya said that a Commission of Inquiry has been investigating into the crash of the Saras prototype and the report is expected in another three weeks. Upadhya said the NAL Saras is a multi-role aircraft, ideal for executive transport, light package carrier, remote sensing and aerial research service, coast guard, border patrolling, air ambulance and other community services.
Saras is equipped with two rear-mounted turbo-prop Pratt and Whitney engines in a pusher propeller configuration and is designed to take off from and land on short, semi-prepared runways.
It is designed to carry between eight and 14 passengers and can be extended to an 19-passenger variant in multiple modes of operation.
The two prototypes of Saras, named after the Indian crane, have flown at least 100 hours since its maiden flight in May 2004 till the crash of prototype-II in March.
Engineers at NAL are now building another prototype which is expected to be flight tested next year. NAL expected the aircraft to be certified by 2010.
Saras is only the second plane after Hansa, a two-seater trainer aircraft, that is being developed indigenously.
NAL is also working on designing a 70-seat passenger aircraft called the RTA-70 for regional transport.
RajanHow much true this could be? Do we need a carrier like HMS QE? I think IAC-2 already underway.
MoD may sell aircraft carrier to India to limit cuts
Sale would leave Royal Navy with just one replacement
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/15/mod-may-sell-carrier
The Observer, Sunday 15 November 2009
One of Britain’s new £2bn aircraft carriers could be sold off under cost-cutting plans being considered by the Ministry of Defence. India has lodged a firm expression of interest, the Observer has learned.
The sale of one of the two 65,000-tonne vessels would leave the Royal Navy with a single carrier and could force Britain to borrow from the French fleet, which itself has only one carrier and is reluctant to build more. Last summer the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, proposed to Gordon Brown that the two navies co-ordinate maintenance and refitting so that one was at sea at all times.
According to senior defence sources, Whitehall officials are examining the feasibility of a sale as part of the strategic defence review that will start early next year and is expected to result in savage cuts.
The carrier programme has already been delayed by two years to push back spending commitments, which itself will end up costing the taxpayer more in the long run. BAE Systems began work in July on HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is due to come into service in 2016. Preparatory work on the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018, has also started. The two carriers will replace the ageing Invincible class and are three times the size.
There were fears that the government could scrap one altogether. But it is understood that the financial penalties would be prohibitive. About 10,000 jobs in Portsmouth, Barrow-in-Furness, Fife and Glasgow depend on the orders.
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