RajanAlong with the report below and the murmours that the CIA are still allowing the LET to train in Pakistan for Anti India Activity I do not see why any of the US MMRCA contendors should be in the contest other than to allow the IAF to get a good understanding of possible agressors.
This is not to do with planes granted but how many of us really think that military aviation is isolated from politics? Its all one and the same.
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Role of alleged CIA asset in Mumbai attacks being downplayed
By Jeremy R. Hammond
Online Journal Contributing WriterDec 10, 2008, 00:24
This one is the latest contribution…. From the following article you will understand that US really wants LeT and Pakistan Army to continue terrorists attacks and insurgency in India but after 9/11 they restricted ‘foreign’ (mean white) nationals in those training camps though these training camps were still running with CIA blessings!
Now India needs US as a global diplomatic power to support her entry into certain organizations, getting US/Israeli weapons and space/nuclear/high technology cooperation. NSG/IAEA waiver were not possible with out US support. India not getting a permanent UNSC seat because US no supporting us, though Russia, France, UK even China supported India!
Now US also needs India as a raising power and a future powerful friendly country as a counter weight to China.
So though CIA playing some dirty games we still cannot ignore US supports. Above all Indian armed forces are in love with American flying machines…. C-130J, P-8I, AH-64D, Chinook, Bell-407, UH-3 Sea King, E-2D, C-17, F-16, F-18 and even F-35 as a future aircraft!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6916408.ece
November 14, 2009
The Pakistani Army ran training camps for a Muslim extremist group, at least until recently, with the acceptance of the US Central Intelligence Agency, according to France’s foremost anti-terrorist expert.
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Willy Brigitte, the suspect, told Mr Bruguière, that the Pakistani military were running the Lashkar-e-Taiba training camp where he spent 2½ months in 2001-02. Along with two Britons and two Americans, Brigitte was driven in a 4×4 through army roadblocks to the high-altitude camp where more than 2,000 men were being trained by Pakistani regular army officers, he said.
“The links between the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistani Army are more than close. Brigitte observed this twice,” Mr Bruguière said. “When the camp was resupplied, all the materiel was dropped off by Pakistani army helicopters. And there were regular inspections by the Pakistani Army and the CIA.”
The US agency carried out spot checks to ensure that Pakistan was sticking to an agreement not to train any foreigners at the militant organisation, the judge said. “After 9/11, the Americans put pressure on the Pakistani Government to put more effective controls on the activities of the Islamic organisations linked to al-Qaeda,” he said.
Mr Brigitte, originally from the French West Indies, and other foreign personnel were moved out to another camp when the CIA was due to visit, Mr Bruguière said.
The judge said that it was possible that the Americans had been turning a blind eye to the organisation’s training of foreign operatives.
RajanIf china jumped in a decade to this level then within 5-10 years it will be the next worldpower that produces everything. I doubt that it is possible to copy that.
Very few countries buys Chinese weapons and those who have not access to advanced western, Russian or Israeli weapons, that includes China itself. While India being a smaller force goes for mix of indigenous and foreign weapons to take technological edge over China. For example China wanted to buy Israeli Phalcon radar but denied, so they have to buy Russia AWACS. But the same AWACS was rejected by IAF after evaluation! Now don’t think China made AWACS as capable as Phalcon. Same goes for every weapon system that are in PLA or Indian armed forces service.
While China is getting orders after orders the Indian side sells almost nothing and imports almost everything. Basicly it shows that you cannot compare these two nations anymore. It does not degrade any side but it shows that there is no reason to make fun remarks out of it (making toiletpapers for others). Just compare the military celebrations of China and India… I think it is obvious who is improving and who is mis-using the title.
lol Orders after orders? from whom? Pakistan and some African countries? Does that gives China any advantage? Stop dreaming. India has pretty good defense industry that is enough to meet Indian armed forces requirements. From fighter aircraft to MBT to BMD to nuclear submarine to aircraft carrier to military satellites, almost everything are being developed by Indian defence industry. As I said India want a mix of Indian, Israeli, Russian, European and American weapon system. I think the ‘indigenous’ systems those are in PLA service will never be able to pass any of the Indian military requirements.
Rajanit can intercept targets up to 30 km range and 18 km altitude. Akash can reach Mach 2.5 speed.
The target was at 400 mts altitude, 17 kms range and 700 kms/ph speed.
Akash Air force launcher completed technical, mobility for flight trials. It now features All electro servo drive system for fully automated and remote operation.
Composite technology for Akash includes radome assemblies, booster liners, ablative liners, sustainer liners, compression moulded wings and fins.
Multiple targets handling capability of Akash weapon system was demonstrated by live firing in C4I environment. Two Akash missiles were launched, guided and they intercepted two fast moving targets in simultaneous engagement mode back in 2005. 3-D central acquisition radar (3-D car) group mode performance is also fully established.
Consistency in performance of radar in guiding missiles as close as 15m is established. During a mission, a Pilot less Target Aircraft (PTA) was neutralized while engaging crossing and receding target.
Good infos. These show Akash’s potential to be a good anti-CM missile. Actually the PTA Lakshya is more like a cruise missile than a fighter aircraft. They should work further to increase the range of Akash and developing a dedicated anti-CM missile.
RajanIndia’s Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules Airlifter
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/c130/india/index.html
RajanAccording to Chinese media, including official CCTV, the next generation fighter after J-10 will take maiden flight very soon.
Variant voice from different side of designers said that we are confident our new generation fighter will go ahead of the F-22 and it needs 10 years to surpass the F-22 to both.
A via commander also said 8-10 years should be waiting for entrance service of the new fighter.
‘Go ahead of F-22’? I also heard something like that. China has developed a fighter aircraft that will out-perform F-22 as the best fighter in the world. After 20 years of development and $ 65 billion development cost US got the F-22, they also had world’s most technologically advanced R&D facilities and industries. Russia have lots of experience and R&D background about aircraft manufacturing but still thriving for last 20 years to develop an operational fifth generation fighter. But China did it. Congrats.
Let there be PAK FA, SU-30MKI, MRCA or LCA but when PLAAF already developed a fighter better than F-22 it will be impossible for IAF to stop them. :diablo:
RajanF-18 SH for RAAF….
RajanProbably they are testing a new version of Agni-II as user trial. Points….
* Can hit targets between 2,000 to 3,500 km with varying payloads.
* Agni-II can carry a nuclear payload of about 1,000 kg to a distance in excess of 2500 km.
* Agni-II is a ready-to-fire missile with a launch time of about 15 minutes.
* Both rail and road mobile options are available. The services can choose which system they want.
* While earlier test versions of the missile had a CEP of ±100 metres, the latest versions will have a CEP of around 30 metres.
* The missile’s re-entry vehicle uses its manoeuvring fins to porpoise the warhead, to avoid missile defences while manoeuvring to its target, employing terminal guidance radar operating in the C- and S-bands.
Agni-II user trial anytime between 3-8 November news
23 October 2009
Balasore, Orissa: Indian defence scientists and Indian Army officials are working towards conducting a user trial of the country’s medium range ballistic missile, the Agni-II, sometime between 3-8 November this year. The Agni-II, a nuclear capable missile, can hit targets beyond 2,000 km and up to a distance of 3,500 km with varying payloads.
”The missile is scheduled to be fired from the Wheelers Island based test range facilities any time between November 3 and 8,” defence sources said.
Agni II
According to scientists, the 700-km range Agni-I along with the 2000+ km range Agni-II and the 3000+ km range Agni-III form the triad of the country’s nuclear deterrence.
The Agni-II missile, whose first operational variant was test-fired in April 1999, is 20-meter long and 1.3 meter in diameter. Weighing 16 tonnes it is designed to carry a nuclear payload of about 1,000 kg to a distance in excess of 2500 km.
The previous user trial conducted on 19 May this year was not a success.
The missile has already been inducted into the Indian Army’s 555 missile group.
Agni-II
Agni-II is a ready-to-fire missile with a launch time of about 15 minutes.
The missile is unique in that its second stage has a flex nozzle which enables small changes in the thrust vector direction in flight allowing far superior manoeuvrability and thrust control than any comparable missiles in its class, including western ones.
The flex nozzle can be exploited with the help of an on-board closed-loop guidance and control system. Till now, the flex nozzle has been used only in the third-stage motor of the PSLV.
The missile’s re-entry vehicle uses its manoeuvring fins to porpoise the warhead, to avoid missile defences while manoeuvring to its target, employing terminal guidance radar operating in the C- and S-bands.
The Agni-II is designed to be launched from a rail-mobile launcher; one that can move on a standard broad-gauge rail system. It is also road-mobile and the services can choose which system they want. A rail- and/or road-based missile system reduces vulnerability and allows for greater operational flexibility.
While India’s is mostly covered with road and rail infrastructure in most parts of the country except the north-east which has more rail and less road infrastructure, the missile’s rail mobility means that in strategic terms its deployment in this part of the country is a serious possibility.
Deployment here will allow the missile to hit deeper into China, though without reaching important city and industrial centres such as Beijing, which are 3000+ km away.
Indian scientists such as BrahMos Aerospace chief Dr A Sivathanu Pillai have said that the missile would have a unique on-board energy management system and an on-flight guidance process using navigational sensor technology.
http://www.domain-b.com/aero/mil_avi/miss_muni/20091023_agni-II_user_trial.html
RajanI think it is a communication satellite.
Navy to get dedicated communication satellite
STAFF WRITER 17:58 HRS IST
New Delhi, Oct 22 (PTI) Navy will get a dedicated satellite for making its communication robust and secure and to also propel its network-centric operations and connectivity at sea, Defence Minister A K Antony said today.
“The Navy’s efforts towards network centric operations and leveraging information technology are laudable.
The launch of the Naval Communication Satellite next year will significantly improve connectivity at sea,” Antony said, inaugurating the the Navy Senior Officers Conference here.
The satellite, being built by ISRO, would be on a geo-stationary orbit and would provide an overview of about 600 to 1,000 nautical miles of the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), which India considers to be its primary area of responsibility in terms of maritime security.
http://www.ptinews.com/news/342675_Navy-to-get-dedicated-communication-satellite-next-year
RajanNot sure how they can make a Mach 6-7 system limited to 300 kms. Will cover that distance in no time at that speed.
I think it is possible. DRDO also developing the HSTDV as technology demonstrator for future hypersonic vehicles. It will attain scramjet flight for 20 seconds only. If the new Brahmos has a booster plus scramjet (mach 7) than it will take atleast 117 seconds to fly 280 km.
RajanAstra air-to-air missile to make its first flight
Ajai Shukla / Hyderabad October 19, 2009, 1:36 IST
To add punch to IAF’s fleet of Sukhoi, Mig-29, Mirage-2000, Tejas.
Veteran fighter pilots lament the end of the dogfight, the evocative name for a twisty, sky-ripping, adrenaline-packed aerial duel, in which the winner gets behind his opponent and shoots him down with a burst of cannon fire.
Today, it is less about flying skill, cold nerve and highly-responsive aircraft; the modern-day dogfighting ace is an airborne video-game expert who uses radar to detect his foe at long ranges, and launch a beyond visual range (BVR) missile even before his victim realises that the engagement has begun.
Just days from now, a Sukhoi-30MKI fighter will take off from an Indian Air Force (IAF) base, an Astra missile fitted on its wing. This will be the first-ever flight of this indigenously developed BVR missile, which the IAF hopes will add punch to its fleet of Sukhoi-30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) fighters.
The Astra, built by the Defence R&D Laboratory (DRDL), Hyderabad, will allow IAF pilots to hit enemy aircraft up to 44 km away, at altitudes up to 20,000 metres. Improving on that will be the Astra Mk II, with a longer range of 80 km. This is new! According to earlier news and AI info Astra mk-I has a range of 80 km. 😮
The Astra incorporates many cutting-edge technologies. Here is how an Astra would take on an enemy fighter: an IAF fighter’s radar picks up the target; the pilot launches an Astra missile. A high-energy propellant quickly boosts the missile to several times the speed of sound. At ranges beyond 15 km, the Astra cannot “see” its target, so the IAF fighter guides the missile, relaying the target’s continually changing position over a secure radio link. Once it is 15 km from the target, the Astra’s onboard seeker picks up the target; after that the Astra homes in on its own.
At this point, the target would start turning and diving to throw off the missile. But the Astra manoeuvres better, and moves much faster, than even the most agile fighters. A radio proximity fuse measures the distance to the target. When the target is within 5 metres, the Astra’s radio proximity fuse detonates its warhead, sending a volley of shrapnel ripping through the enemy fighter.
Most of these technologies have already been proven. The propulsion system, the data link between the aircraft and the Astra, the radio proximity fuse, the onboard computer, the inertial navigation system and other key technologies were developed at the DRDO’s missile complex in Hyderabad.
The Astra’s seeker is still imported from Russia, but the DRDO hopes to develop one.
The forthcoming test with a Sukhoi-30MKI is called a “captive flight trial”; it will evaluate whether the Astra can withstand the physical stresses of supersonic flying and high-speed manoeuvring. Early in 2010, a “captive-II flight trial” will check whether the Astra’s avionics are properly matched with those of the Sukhoi-30MKI. The fighter should receive the missile’s signals; and the Astra should receive the aircraft’s commands.
“Matching an Indian missile with a Russian fighter’s avionics has turned out to be a complex task”, explains Mukesh Chand, one of the Astra’s key developers, “But the Astra will be much better integrated with the Indian Tejas LCA.”
Only in October 2010, after all the Astra’s systems are certified airworthy, will a live Astra be fired from a fighter. But the project scientists are confident; in a September 2008 test in Balasore, Orissa, a ground-launched Astra shot down an electronic target, validating many of the most complex technologies.
A drawback in the Astra remains its high weight; even a heavy fighter like the Sukhoi-30MKI cannot carry the missile on its wingtip stations. :confused: In comparison with the Astra’s estimated 150 kg, other BVR missiles like the Israeli Derby weigh around 100 kg only.
Nevertheless, the IAF believes the Astra will usefully supplement India’s inventory of BVR missiles. The Russian R-77 Adder, which arms India’s Russian aircraft fleet, faces worrying questions about its reliability. And the R530D missile, carried by the Mirage-2000, is nearing obsolescence.
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RajanI guess they mean hypersonic, not supersonic.
Russia and India To Develop Supersonic Missile Invincible to Interception
16.10.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/16-10-2009/109935-russia_india-0
Russia and India will start the development of a new supersonic missile nearly invincible to interception. No army in the world has anything similar to it. The sum of the investment has not been defined yet, but it can be expected to reach billions of dollars.
The missile is to become a successor of the supersonic missile BrahMos (known as Yahont in the Russian army) that is now installed on ships, land missile complexes and may soon be installed on Su-30 MKI fighter jets and submarines. This possibility was discussed on Tuesday at the meeting of an intergovernmental committee on military and technical collaboration that took place in Moscow and was chaired by Russian and Indian Defense Ministers, Anatoly Serdyukov and Arackaparambil Kurien Antony.
The missile was named in honor of two rivers, the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia. BrahMos is considered to be a successful Russian-Indian joint project. It is unique since it’s the only cruise missile in the world that can be launched both as a single unit and a group. Its highly intelligent operational system allows the missile to reach the speed of Mach 3.0, which is three times faster than the speed of the subsonic American Tomahawk cruise-missile). BrahMos can engage any sea target, and a group of these missiles can destroy an entire ship formation.
The missiles are so clever that they not only detect a target but develop a plan of attack based on the enemy’s air defense. They know exactly which target is the primary one, which of them is an attacker and which is a defender. When the main target is destroyed, they re-prioritize and continue with the attack. Now even more advanced missile is on the way.
“These intentions mean that Delhi has strategic goals, and I believe they are realistic,” said Alexander Lukyanov, head of the Scientific Development and Production Center where the missile was designed.
On Tuesday, India confirmed its intentions of the joint development of the fifth generation of fighter jets and financing of modernization of Admiral Gorshkov cruiser.
RajanAlthough Im not aware of this single/twin seater issue, I find it a little strange to find myself standing on the same side of the fence as you on this issue. 🙂
According to the ToI article posted by Austin, India and Russia, after protracted negotiations and some glitches, are now going full steam ahead to finalise the joint project for the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA). Since FGFA is a Russian concept and the joint project is yet to be finalised, isn’t it logical to assume that ADA/HAL etc. could not have had any INPUT (be it design or development) into this project so far?
The article also states that IAF, in fact, recently finalised the technical requirements for its FGFA, which will have long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities, and submitted them to Russia. So the requirements have been submitted. Russia would review them, negotiate them with India, and so on. Now for the sake of argument, lets assume that the actual contrat for this joint venture would be signed sometime next year.
Finally, Antony, on his part, has already declared India wants the FGFA’s development to be completed by 2016 to ensure IAF can begin inducting it by 2017. Now I dont know if this is also a part of ASR or not, but what sort of contribution would Indian aviation industry be able to make to this 5th generation 50:50 project in 6-7 years times, be it the development of Radar, Engines, Stealth, Avionics etc.?
Its long been told that Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA is a pure Russian aircraft while the it’s India specific derivative is FGFA. Its not quite good that India did not got any R&D for the basic technologies which India lacks like stealth design, Flight Control System, engine, internal weapons bay etc etc. But after that also there are quite room for the development of basic PAK FA into IAF FGFA. They have to build another prototype to meet IAF’s requirements. Specially ‘high degree of network ‘centricity’, fully integrated avionics, composite materials and ‘optical, infra-red, laser and radar sensors’. India mastered many of these technologies and along with Russia they can further fill the gap between successful engineering model and a deployed one, the problem India currently facing. But still India loose wrt development of engine, stealth structure and FCS.
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Russia and India have prepared a new agreement on military-technical cooperation
source:http://www.aviaport.ru
date:15.10.2009
So the Saturn leak seems to be correct! Its really influenced by Su-30 and F-22.
RajanMRCA contest is a no way win win business, contractors asks themselves if its a deal or a robbery!
There is nothing but jealousy in your post. Its Dassault that replied to IAF’s global tender. lol Than why IAF have to loose? Your hatred towards India (you have not mentioned ‘India’ correctly in you post for one time) resulted you to forget this.
RajanDRDO to launch series of missiles
T.S. Subramanian
http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/17/stories/2009101755791100.htm
CHENNAI: In the next three to four months, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will be launching a series of missiles “both in the ballistic missile defence area and the strategic side,” according to V.K. Saraswat, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister. These will include Prithvi and Agni missiles, and an interceptor missile which (the interceptor) forms part of India’s quest to build a ballistic missile defence (BMD) shield. An advanced version of Prithvi-II was already successfully test-fired on October 12.
Dr. Saraswat, who is also Director-General, DRDO, said: “These are major activities. They are all planned in the next three to four months. All these missiles have to undergo validation, verification and training for the user [the Army]. This is the main purpose of these missions and they will give you confidence in the reliability and robustness of the systems.”
Under the BMD shield, the DRDO will fire an attacker missile which will be ambushed in its flight path by an interceptor missile. This would be an “endo-atmospheric mission wherein we are extending the altitude of interception to 30 km.,” he said.
The DRDO had already successfully intercepted an incoming “enemy” in the endo-atmospheric region at an altitude of 15 km. on December 6, 2007. The DRDO was now going for an interception at an altitude of 30 km.
Dr. Saraswat described it as “a difficult mission because the same interceptor missile has to perform manoeuvres at higher altitudes where the density of the atmosphere is low.” So the manoeuvres became difficult.” Certain modifications, therefore, had been done on the interceptor missile. The DRDO was also integrating “a unique directional warhead” developed by its laboratories into the interceptor. “It is called P-charge [projectile charge] warhead which can penetrate thick steel and cause damage with a high hit [repeat hit] density. That means the number of holes you create per unit area is very high,” he explained. This mission would validate the DRDO’s new command, control and communication software which was being upgraded to monitor “space-objects such as satellites and to discriminate between actual threatening objects and decoys,” he added.
The DRDO is developing a new Prithvi interceptor missile codenamed PDV. It will be a two-stage missile and both the stages will be powered by solid propellants. It will have an innovative system for controlling the vehicle at an altitude of more than 150 km. “We expect to have trials of this early next year,” the Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister said.
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