PRC just want to create a hype over Agni-V. Many part of the People’s Daily report are wrong.
China displays sudden interest in the Agni-V
Rajiv Singh
16 October 2009
Beijing: In a bid to deflect attention from the increasing curiosity it’s extremely ambitious military programme has been causing amongst nations the Chinese media has exhibited sudden interest in India’s under-development, inter-continental, nuclear-capable missile-the Agni-V. A brief report in the People’s Daily on the Agni-V emerges even as media coverage around the world focuses on the capabilities of the Chinese inter-continental missile, the Dong Feng-31A (East Wind), which made its appearance during China’s National Day Military Parade on 1 October.
The startling reference to the Agni-V (Fire) may have to be seen in this context for China has come under extreme pressure from military powers around the world to be more transparent about its military expenditure and the development of its military power. Even as it seeks to cast its lot with developing nations in world economic forums, China fails to provide adequate explanations where it finds the vast sums of money it dedicates to the development of military hardware which surpass the needs of any conventional military power.
Dong Feng 31A
What may have surprised Indian observers even more is that any discussion or reference to India in mainstream Chinese media is invariably in reference to developments pertaining to the northeastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.So the reference to Agni-V is not only out of the blue, but also without any relevant context.
This is the report from People’s Daily in its entirety:
”India’s Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) has made its forthcoming Agni-5 missile highly road-mobile, or easily transportable by road, which would bring Harbin, China’s northernmost city within striking range if the Agni-5 is moved to northeast India.
”The Agni-5 is similar to the Dong Feng-31A presented in China’s National Day Military Parade in Beijing . India is going to test-fire the missile in early 2011.
”The ASL, which develops India’s long-range, nuclear-tipped missiles, enables the Agni-5 to reach targets far beyond its stated 5,000-km range by quickly moving closer to the target. Therefore, from various places across India, the Agni-5 can reach every continent except North and South America.”
DF-31A and the Agni-V
China has developed an improved variant of the DF-31 called the DF-31A, which has a reported range of 11,200 plus kilometres. It has some MIRV capability which may allow it to deploy three warheads, each capable of a 20-150 KT yield. It will also deploy decoys that can complicate missile defence systems.
In 2009 US Air Force Intelligence reported that under 15 DF-31A missiles had been deployed.
From reports, the Agni-V would appear to be an upgraded version of the Agni-III, which has been successfully tested. The missile is expected to have a range of about 5000-6000 km and is expected to undergo its first flight test sometime in late 2010, or early 2011.
The Agni-V would be able to target most of the northern cities of China, including Harbin,
The Agni-V is a three stage solid fueled missile with composite motor casing in the third stage. Two stages of this missile are constructed of composite material which will help in reducing weight and increasing range. The Agni-V will be India’s first missile to carry multiple warheads (MIRV) which will also deploy countermeasures against anti-ballistic missile systems.
The Agni-V will be a canisterised, road-mobile missile, and in this it will be similar to the Dong Feng-31A. In this it will also differ from its parent, the Agni-III, which is non-canisterised and can only be moved from place to place with some difficulty.
Made of maraging steel, a canister provides a hermetically-sealed atmosphere that preserves the missile for years.
The Agni-V will carry 3-10 MIRV’s or separate nuclear warheads. But I think this will be 4-12. :confused:
http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general/20091016_agni-V.html
Isn’t that strange? Dec 2009 delivered to de US government… 6 months later to the PAF? Will Pakistani pay for 6 months parking fee?
Thats still a good deal. For six months of parking fee you are getting F-16 free of cost!!
Pentagon ramps up direct military aid to Pakistan
Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:22pm EDT
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* Pentagon speeds funds to overhaul Pakistani helicopters
* Plans for more trainers faces resistance from Islamabad
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON, Oct 16 (Reuters) – The Pentagon is ramping up delivery of military equipment long sought by the Pakistani army to fight militants, U.S. officials said on Friday.
Some $200 million worth of equipment and services already in the pipeline for Pakistan has started to arrive but officials declined to provide full details, saying many of the more sophisticated items were classified.
Congressional aides say the $200 million worth of equipment and services in the pipeline can arrive more quickly, in as little as 60-90 days, because much of it is not sophisticated and comes from readily available supplies.
In contrast, the delivery of F-16 fighter jets has been held up for years because it depends on production line schedules.
Another $200 million worth of equipment for fiscal year 2009, which ended on Sept. 30, remains available for Pakistan, and the Pentagon plans to nearly double the amount of direct military aid for fiscal 2010 to $700 million, officials said.
Shipments in recent months have included hundreds of night vision goggles, day and night scopes for rifles and radios to improve communications, as well as thousands of bullet-proof vests. Officials said armor-plated all-terrain vehicles were a priority item.
DRONE REQUEST
Pakistan has requested precision-guided weapons as well as pilotless “drone” aircraft, whose increasing use by the CIA to attack Taliban and al Qaeda targets in Pakistani tribal areas has fanned anti-American sentiment. Predator?
Pentagon officials refused to release the list of the items authorized for Pakistan or to comment on the drone request. But many U.S. lawmakers are skeptical of Pakistan’s intentions and transferring drone technology would face Indian resistance.
Officials said a portion of the $200 million currently in the pipeline was already being used to overhaul Pakistan’s fleet of Mi-17 helicopters, critical for the planned operation in the mountainous Waziristan region.
Dassault wants $41 million for a single Mirage-2000 upgrade with that price we can buy a new Mig-29K or with some more a new SU-30MKI.
$11 billion MMRCA order set to become larger; Mirage-2000 upgrade negotiations stagger towards failure
Photo: A Rafale fighter; Dassault’s chances in the MMRCA contest could be seriously damaged by a breakdown in the Mirage-2000 upgrade negotiations with India
by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 16th Oct 09
New Delhi
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2009/10/11-billion-mmrca-order-set-to-become.html
The winner’s jackpot could soon become even bigger in what is already the world’s most lucrative fighter aircraft tender: India’s proposed purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 51,000 crore ($11 billion).
The reason: a breakdown in India’s long-running negotiations with French aircraft manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, for upgrading 51 Indian Air Force Mirage-2000 fighters. According to senior IAF sources, Dassault has flatly refused to reduce its quote of Rs 10,000 crores (US $2.1 billion) for extending the service life of the IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet by fitting new radars and avionics. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers this price — Rs 196 crores (US $41 million) per aircraft — unacceptably high, given that the airframes and engines will not be changed.
In comparison, each of the 126 brand-new, next-generation MMRCAs will cost some Rs 400 crores (US $87 million) per aircraft. That includes the cost of technology transfers, as well as capital costs for setting up a manufacturing line in India. Once those costs are amortised, additional MMRCAs would be significantly cheaper.
Dassault’s India head, Posina V Rao has not returned multiple phone calls from Business Standard. MoD sources say that Rao is engaged in last-ditch attempts to salvage the deal.
But, the MoD is veering around to the viewpoint that the Mirage-2000 fleet should continue service in its current form. After six squadrons (126 aircraft) of MMRCAs have entered IAF service, an additional two squadrons of MMRCAs would be built to replace the 51 Mirage-2000 fighters. That amounts to a 40% rise in the MMRCA’s numbers.
Israeli aerospace companies have reportedly entered the fray, offering to upgrade the Mirage-2000 for half the price being quoted by Dassault. The MoD, however, is not inclined to accept that offer.
Price negotiations for the Mirage-2000 upgrade have travelled a rocky road over the last two years. Initially, Dassault quoted Rs 13,500 crores (US $2.9 billion), which it brought down to the current level of Rs 10,000 crores (US $2.1 billion) after the IAF diluted its upgrade requirements. But the MoD believes Dassault’s reduced bid only reflects the diluted requirements, rather than any flexibility on the part of Dassault.
The IAF, traditionally a staunch supporter of Dassault and the Mirage-2000 fighter, is apparently changing its views. Dassault, say pilots, has badly damaged its credibility during the recent negotiations by arm-twisting the IAF over the supply of spares for the Mirage-2000 fleet.
The Gwalior-based IAF squadrons that currently fly the Mirage-2000 are Number 1 squadron (Tigers) and Number 7 squadron (Battle Axes).
Five of the six contenders for the MMRCA contract — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Gripen and RAC MiG — know they could reap handsome gains, through larger fighter orders, if India chooses not to upgrade the Mirage-2000. The sixth contender, Dassault Aviation, realises that failure to negotiate the Mirage-2000 upgrade contract could seriously damage the chances of its Rafale fighter in the MMRCA contract.
The fighters in contention for the MMRCA contract are sequentially undergoing flight trials and evaluation, which the IAF expects to complete by April 2010. It will take another six months to finalise the trial report and submit that to India’s MoD. The MoD will then announce the winner of the contract.
I think India already have capabilities to build multiple-warhead into a single platform as well as precision guidance system on board Agni and Prithvi series of missiles. Only the need is to fuse them into a single platform and deliver a operational missile.
India’s developing multiple-warhead missile
Pinaki Bhattacharya
New Delhi, October 16, 2009
This one is on the lines of free-market commercials: Ask for one and get at least four free! The difference is that it is not a shirt or a pair of jeans. It’s a single rocket capable of delivering multiple warheads – even non-conventional nuclear systems – at different targets.
The country is on the verge of getting one as the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is validating technologies that will help India deploy multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRV) on its missiles.
Currently, the country has missiles that can deliver only one warhead at a time. The defence research establishment has confirmed that it has made significant progress over the past few years in developing an indigenous technology for the single-rocket-multiple-warhead system. In another three-four years, this ultimate war machine will be ready.
The DRDO says the platform for re-entry vehicles would be different from the indigenously developed Agni series of missiles. Since it would be precision device, sources said the guiding system would require a high degree of accuracy to offset even a small circular error of probability or a negligible deviation from the intended target.
Another reason for this overbearing inclination for detail and accuracy is that the destructive potential of smaller warheads on multiple vehicles is low. Hence, these warheads will have to hit the intended targets at the accurate point and optimise the damage. That apart, the scientists will have to miniaturise the size of the warheads and develop a superior guidance system.
The MIRV system is not a new concept. Senior analyst G. Balachandran of the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses said the technology was conceived in the early 1960s by the US to enhance the limited capacity of its nuclear submarines carrying ballistic missiles.
It triggered a major escalation of the arms race between the US and Russia (then USSR) in the Cold War period. The Soviets retaliated by developing a similar technology but placing the warheads on larger rockets. This enabled them to put more warheads into one missile.
Eventually, the two countries signed several strategic arms limitation agreements, reducing the number and weight of the warheads.
The Indian MIRV could also kick up a storm on whether it is against the principle of “nuclear restraint” that guides the country’s nuclear doctrine.
Senior journalist Praful Bidwai, also an anti- nuclear activist, said the move would “escalate a disastrous arms race with China”. In 2002, China successfully tested its first MIRV – to offset the advantage the US enjoyed with its American National Missile Defence System.
Bidwai said China would surely view the Indian development as threat. “It also strikes at the root of the concept of minimum, credible deterrence as multiple warheads on a missile would surely hike the Indian arsenal manifolds.” But Balachandran and Air Commodore (retired) Jasjit Singh, who is now the director of the Centre for Air Power Studies, begged to differ.
“Escalation is a condition that the other party denotes on the basis of its perception. If a single missile delivers multiple warheads, it actually reduces the number of launch vehicles,” Singh explained.
Prominent strategic analyst K. Subrahmanyam said the multiple warheads would increase the survival chances of the weapons in case of a nuclear attack.
Courtesy: Mail Today
India, Russia to Develop New Hypersonic Cruise Missile by 2015
Date Submitted: Thu Oct 15, 2009
NEW DELHI – India and Russia have agreed to develop and induct a new hypersonic version of their joint venture 174 miles-range BrahMos cruise missile by 2015.
A Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in this regard was signed between the two sides last month, in which they agreed on the final parameters for the new version of the cruise missile.
The new missile will be known as ‘BrahMos-2’ and will have a speed of over 6 Mach (around 3,600 miles per hour) with a striking-range of 174 miles.
Lockheed Martin today unveiled the first of up to 36 F-16 Block 52 fighters that could be sold to the Pakistan Air Force in a ceremony attended by the chiefs of both Pakistani US air forces.
Funny but reality. I think the Pakistani need it desperately to counter terrorism during night. You just cannot win a war if you start running around (with massive force) during hot daytime and wait to be killed by IED that are burried during night. I think the only way to win a war like this is massive UAV’s during nighttime and F16 + Cobra fully active during night. This way you decimate the terror. Otherwise it will spread all over Pakistan and through Kashmir towards India. I hope they can start using them asap and like the guest Hakkani says… “the moment they arrive they will start war missions…”
All these new weapons you want also free? Like ‘aid’ for ‘war on terror’ 😀
Not a single part is correct and totally unrelated to the topic.
lol I don’t expect more than that from you. Someone tried best to hide her identity but could not. That was not a reply for you. 😀
China should not interfere in Indian affairs: IAF vice-chief
That are the words! I expected them from a top GoI minister but insead they came from a top IAF brass! Better. China already have many internal problems if they want India to mention Urumqi riot and killing of innocent people in Tibet then it will not be good for China. Recently I visited Arunachal Pradesh, they love India like any other Indians.
Reminds me of the Chinese airforce pics… For westeners it looks a bit funny.
lol Most of the Easterners think that westerners are funny themselves. All of them are professional pilots. They also looks professional and they deserve it. A pilot flying from India to Oman directly through air-to-air refueling, is that also looks funny for the Westerners?
First pics of IAF Jags leaving for Oman
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Govt says Arunachal integral part of India after Chinese protest
AGENCIES 13 October 2009, 04:00pm IST
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)Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s trip to Arunachal Pradesh to woo voters ahead of Monday’s assembly elections came despite Beijing’s serious concerns, China’s foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said in a statement posted on the ministry’s website.
Reacting to China’s statement, foreign minister S M Krishna said, “Well, regardless of what others say it is the Government of India’s stated position that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India. We rest at that.”
The ministry also said in a statement that New Delhi was “disappointed and concerned” over Chinese objection to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh.
“Arunachal Pradesh is inalienable part of India, and China is aware of this, said external affairs ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash.
“The Chinese statement does not help the process of ongoing negotiations between the two governments on the boundary question,” he said.
Earlier, the statement from China said, “It is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China’s serious concerns.”
“We demand the Indian side address China’s serious and just concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,” the statement said.
Manmohan Singh had toured and addressed an election rally in Arunachal Pradesh on October 3.
The protest reflects enduring Chinese sensitivities over the mountainous state, which shares a 640-mile (1,030-kilometer) unfenced border with China.
The Asian giants fought a border war in 1962 and the frontier has yet to be settled despite 13 rounds of talks on the issue.
China claims the region as its own territory and has never recognized a British colonial-era border known as the McMahon Line that designated the region as part of India. China also occupies a chunk of territory in Kashmir that India regards as its own.
Most recently, China sought to block part of a loan to India from the Asian Development Bank earmarked for projects in Arunachal Pradesh. Beijing also protested a visit to the region last month by exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama, to no avail.
China’s protests and continuing claims have fueled Indian fears of military aggression, prompting calls for New Delhi to reinforce military units on its side of the border.
India says China is illegally occupying 43,180 sq kms of Jammu and Kashmir. On the other hand, China accuses India of possessing some 90,000 sq km of Chinese territory, mostly in Arunachal Pradesh.
China earlier this year had also taken objection to Manmohan Singh’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh, and had informally protested. Singh visited Arunachal on January 31 and February 1 this year, a few days after returning from a trip to China.
Singh’s reference to the state as “our land of the rising sun” at a public rally was objected to by China.
China apparently saw it as India’s assertion of its claim on Arunachal, which it claims is a “disputed territory”.
Responding to China’s objection, the then external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee said, “Arunachal is an integral part of our country… Therefore, it is obvious the Prime Minister will visit any part of the country”.
I want China must claim New Delhi as a part of China, then our PM will say, “No, it is an integral part of India.” :rolleyes:
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Chinese designs to PAK are just basic nationalistic ramblings. It has not been proved to the international community that China gave Pakistan the bomb. Go see past ur nationalistic blinds.
China not only gave Pakistan nuke weapon design but also tested the weapon for Pakistan. It is told by the top Pakistani scientist.
And please cut some of your extra-love for USA. They did a worse job then Pak-China for India. A known enemy is better than a unknown ‘friend’. They were well aware of Pakistan’s nuke business as well as using aid for military purposes. They did the same for last five decades. I am not against Indo-American cooperation but they back stabbed us many times, cooperating with China and Pakistan. They did in1965, 1971, 2001 and again in 2009. In 965 Pakistan fought with huge and latest American gifted weapons. In 1971 they wanted to fight along with pakistan and tried their best to pass a resolution in the UN. US supported successive military regimes in Islamabad. The gave Pakistan huge $$$ as a gift for war on terror but with the same $$$ Pakistan bought weapons from USA while ‘recently’ USA came to ‘know’ that Pakistan diverted the aid to strength their capability against India!!! The latest addition in the Obama govt which will gift $ 7.5 billion for next few years. When Bush wanted a strategic alliance against China along with India, Obama currently turned 180 degree from that view, leaving India alone. Same did Nixon.
How does Iranian AF qualify for this group of dominant airforces?
Their combined air strike and air defence capabilities are good. Specially note about their recent acquisitions.
By 2015, PAF is to have in place around 4-5 squadrons for multirole F-16s as well several squadrons of JF-17. Add to this their airborne early warning systems and aerial refuelling capabilities. I cant see them getting any other russian/western fighters by then, but they are currently negotiating for up to 36 FC-20 to be delivered by around that time. Every single one of these fighters will be equipped with both BVR & HMD-WVR capabilities. Does this make PAF a dominant AF? No. But taken together it does make them a capable defensive AF, and that is their goal.
Pakistan is getting 18 F-16 as far as I know. I did mentioned about them. AEW is a good force multiplier but you need good fighters as well to finish the job. JF-17 is a good fighter but how it will stand in front of other more modern fighters? About J-10, we don’t know so much to speculate but we know about Chinese aircraft industry and their reliance on Russia. Currently our Mig-21 also got BVR and WVR capabilities but still IAF will phase them out soon. If Pakistan could get 36 Rafale or Gripen (as PAF wanted) instead of J-10 than the situation would changed.
No, I don’t. I’m trying to suggest that you should think more carefully about what you’re posting, if you want to be taken seriously.
Your original statement was untrue, as you have since admitted. So why post it? Nobody here can read your mind, & know that there you were making a different comparison. We only have the words on the screen to go by. Think about them, & what they say, before you click on “Submit Reply”!
Thank you. If you are talking about choice of words than my original post may not be well detailed but I think you got my point now. Its sometimes get diverted from the original for little bit of misunderstanding.
Prithvi-2 likely to be test fired tomorrow
STAFF WRITER 12:58 HRS IST
Balasore (Orissa), Oct 11 (PTI) India’s highly sophisticated and nuclear capable short range ballistic missile (SRBM) “Prithvi-2” is likely to be test-fired tomorrow from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur near here.
“The test will be part of the user’s trial. It will be conducted by a special contingent raised by the Indian army”, sources in Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) said today.
“Range preparation in the ITR complex has reached the final stage for the trial and if everything proceeds in the right direction, the exercise would be carried out tomorrow”, the sources said.
“Prithvi-2 missile is single stage liquid propelled and is equipped with inertial navigation system. The missile is about 9 metre in length and 1 metre in width. The missile can carry conventional or nuclear warheads.
http://www.ptinews.com/news/325541_Prithvi-2-likely-to-be-test-fired-tomorrow
BrahMos to be deployed in Ladakh
11 Oct 2009, 1813 hrs IST
In a bid to deter China and bolster India’s defence along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), India has plans to have BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles in Ladakh, Jammu and Kashmir. These missiles have a range of 300 km and in case of a Chinese offensive, would be able to hit tactical and strategic targets in Tibet. They would be able to fly over the mountains and hit targets and are very fast and almost impossible to counter. BrahMos is a two-stage missile. It is nine metres tall and weighs 3.9 tonnes with the canister. It can be launched from ships, silos and road and rail mobile launchers.
It has a strike range of 290 km and can carry a conventional warhead weighing 300 kg. This is apart from the plans to have tanks in Ladakh, also more choppers, infantry and more troops. The area has been found to be level, being a plateau, and tanks can be used there. The idea is to build a counter offensive capacity. Also, troops outside Kashmir will be earmarked for Ladakh, if necessary. The BrahMos project is a joint venture between Defence Research and Development Organisation and Russia’s NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed the BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited.
The supersonic missile travels at the speed of Mach 2.5 to 2.8 and is the world’s fastest cruise missile. It is about three-and-a-half times faster than the subsonic Harpoon cruise missile of the United States. BrahMos claims to have the capability of attacking surface targets as low as 10 meters in altitude. It can gain a speed of Mach 2.8, and has a maximum range of 290 km. The ship-launched and land-based missiles can carry a 200-kilogram warhead, whereas the aircraft-launched variant can carry a 300-kilogram warhead.
http://www.timesnow.tv/BrahMos-to-be-deployed-in-Ladakh/articleshow/4329414.cms
India Likely to Test-Fire BrahMos Supersonic Missile in Dec
New Delhi | Oct 11, 2009
To add more teeth to the country’s underwater weapons delivery capabilities, India is planning to test-fire the 290-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from an undersea platform off the coast of Orissa soon.
The test-firing is planned to be carried out in mid-December and will prove the Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos cruise missile’s capability to be fired from submarines, Defence Ministry sources told PTI.
Underwater weapon-delivery platforms are considered to be the most potent second strike capability and the addition of nuclear capable BrahMos in its submerged arsenal is expected to provide more strength to India’s ‘no first strike’ nuclear policy.
India has developed significant underwater weapon delivery platforms in the recent past including an indigenously-built nuclear submarine INS Arihant and successfully test-fired the nuclear capable 700 km range K-15 Shaurya missile early this year. The Navy is also expecting to receive a Russian-made Akula-II class ‘Nerpa’ nuclear submarine on lease by early next year.
The test-firing of the BrahMos is likely be done from a pontoon at Integrated Test Range in Balasore on Orissa coast from a DRDO facility. The same pontoon was used for carrying out the test-firing of the 700-km range K-15 ‘Shaurya’ Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile early this year, the sources said.
A ring will have to be fitted in the existing pontoon for fitting-in the BrahMos, which has a relatively smaller diameter than the K-15 SLBM, the sources said.
The under-water cruise missile will have the same capabilities as its earlier variants and would be able to strike at both land and sea-based targets, they added.
The Indian Navy also wants that its second line of Project 75A submarines should have the capability of firing the BrahMos. The Navy had released the Request for Information (RFI) in September last year for acquiring six submarines as a follow-on order of the Scorpene submarines.
BrahMos has been developed jointly by India and Russia and has been inducted in the Army and Navy already. The IAF is also working on integrating the missile on its Su-30MKI air superiority aircraft.
The two countries have also signed an agreement for developing the hypersonic version of the missile, which currently flies at a speed of 2.8 mach.