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  • in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812414
    Rajan
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    The word meaning of deterrence is below

    Once acted there is no longer deterrence.

    Even a single nuke bomb can prevent or discourage an enemy from acting.

    If we are looking at how many an enemy is gonna use at us, and we want to see how many nukes we want to use at them, then the term to use would be “Mutually Assured Destruction” MAD. God, I hope we never come to that, ever.

    That is the fact, you cannot get the same assurance from your enemy. They are very eager to fight with you, they will attack your innocent civilians cowardly but you cannot prosecute them, they will harm you in many ways but you cannot do anything….. the world (USA) will come to your door and start talking about the result of war….MAD. Thats call the difference between a good enemy and ruthless enemy….

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812522
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    AQ Khan blows the whistle on Pakistan

    Investigation: Nuclear scandal – Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan

    Great reveal by the father of Islamic bomb! I will be honored if ante_climax read the article and think about US’s role in Pakistan’s nuke.

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812545
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    GSAT 4

    Many new technologies will be applied in GSAT-4 satellite,

    1. Indian higher thrust Cryogenic engine
    2. Four Hall effect electric ion thrusters
    3. Multi-beam Ka-band bent pipe and regenerative transponder
    4. Navigation payload in C, L1 and L5 bands
    5. TAUVEX ultra-violet telescope jointly developed by Israel and India

    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/isro-preparing-for-gsat-4-launch-in-two-months_100249678.html

    ISRO preparing for GSAT 4 launch in two months
    September 19th, 2009 – 5:34 pm ICT by IANS Tell a Friend –

    ISRO By Venkatachari Jagannathan
    Chennai, Sep 19 (IANS) While the preparations for launch of India’s ocean monitoring satellite Oceansat 2 and six other nano satellites Sep 23 is on, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is getting ready for the bigger launch slated in the next two months — that of the communications satellite GSAT 4.

    Speaking to IANS over phone from ISRO’s launch centre at Sriharikota in Andhra Pradesh, M.Y.S. Prasad, associate director, Satish Dhawan Space Centre said: “Preparations are already on for the launch of GSAT 4 — the communication satellite using the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV). The rocket assembling process has started.”

    The first stage of GSLV with four strap-on motors has been assembled and assembling of the second stage is to start soon.

    The third stage — cryogenic stage — will come from ISRO’s Thiruvananthapuram facility, he said.

    GSLV will blast off from the second launch pad with its third stage fitted with an India built cryogenic engine thereby making the country absolutely self reliant in building the bigger rocket,” S. Sathish, ISRO’s director of publications and public relations, told IANS over phone from Bangalore.

    For all the five earlier GSLV missions, ISRO had used Russian cryogenic engines.

    Last December, the indigenously developed cryogenic upper stage engine passed the flight acceptance test with the engine tested for 200 seconds.

    The development of cryogenic engines involves mastering materials technology, operating rotary pumps and turbines which run at 42,000 revolutions per minute (RPM).

    Weighing around two tonnes, GSAT 4 will carry a multi-beam Ka-band bent pipe and regenerative transponder and navigation payload in C, L1 and L5 bands. The satellite can guide civil and military aircraft.

    GSAT 4 will also carry a scientific payload, TAUVEX, comprising three ultra violet band telescopes developed by Tel Aviv University and Israel space agency (ELOP) for surveying a large part of the sky in the 1,400-3,200 A wavelengths.

    Meanwhile, ISRO officials are gearing up the next week’s PSLV launch carrying the 960 kg Oceansat 2 and six nano satellites totalling around 20 kg.

    “We conducted the pre-launch rehearsal — all activities that have to be carried out ten hours before the actual launch — starting at 2 a.m. Saturday and completed at 12.30 p.m. Everything went off well,” said Prasad. He said the actual 49-hour countdown process will start Monday 8 a.m. The rocket will fly at 11.51 a.m. Wednesday.

    According to Satish, Oceansat 2 will be placed in a sun-synchronous orbit 720 km above the earth.

    Prasad added: “Oceansat 2 will cover the whole earth as the coverage strip will be moving since it is not geostationary satellite. The orbit is designed in such a way that the satellite will cross the Equator at 12 noon near India.”

    Along with Oceansat 2, four overseas Cubesats each weighing 1 kg will be ejected from the rocket, while the two Rubinsats each weighing 8 kg will orbit attached to the rocket’s fourth stage, he added.

    This will be the second time that ISRO will launch a cluster of nano satellites. In 2008 ISRO — launching its cartography satellite (CARTOSAT-2A) and Indian Mini Satellite (IMS-1) — also sent up eight nano satellites and set a world record of maximum number of satellites sent up in a single launch.

    “The increased launch of nano satellites from foreign countries is expected to propel Indian universities to follow the footsteps of Anna University to build satellites,” Satish remarked.

    Chennai-based Anna University became the first Indian university to build a small satellite Anusat which ISRO launched in April this year.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022223
    Rajan
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    1) Than who’s model is posted on Bharat-Rakshak (it was displayed at AeroIndia 2005)? (nb: B.Harry and ACIG.org are trusted sources)
    And what about the lines drawings there by M. Muzumdar? Isn’t that drawn profile remarkably similar to the profile of the actual ship (see last pic)?
    What are these based on?

    That was just a speculation to be P-15A. Its just DDG with Brahmos from Brahmos corporation, just like FFG with Brahmos, Submarine with Brahmos etc. But if it is the earlier model of the P-15A than also the design have been changed a lot as shown in the CG.

    2) If in the CG the VLUs behind the main gun are for Barak-8, then where are the VLUs for Brahmos?

    Behind the Barak-8. 2 X 8.

    3) In which other IN ships in particular is the pattern you mention followed?

    This is Barak-2 and P-15A going to have Barak-8…

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Salon_du_Bourget_20090619_077.jpg/400px-Salon_du_Bourget_20090619_077.jpg

    Lastly all the VLS are not shown perfectly in the CG but the weapons I have posted are correct.

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812646
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    More scientists back Santhanam on Pokhran II

    “He might have several compulsions that made him say this when he knew the true facts. He must have been motivated partly by personal glory,” claimed Gopalakrishnan.

    Chidambaram went on to receive the Padma Vibhushan after the May 11 tests.

    Why personal attacks?? Jealousy?? :confused:

    Dr Gopalakrishnan called for a technological committee comprising of international experts to review the “methodology used by Chidambaram and his colleagues to establish their claims”. Dr Chidambaram and S K Sikka — both weapon designers for the thermonuclear device — should “present their methodology to a technical committee involving international experts too. After that you should have a national peer review”.Another former BARC scientist, with intimate knowledge of weapons designing, expressed the doubt whether anybody in BARC had a fullscale understanding of a thermonuclear device.

    Experts from Pakistan? China? North Korea? We don’t have people in India to judge this? lol Now it will be the most shameful chapter of Indian R&D, when one of India’s most secret technological advances have to proof in front of foreigners which is one of the pillar of India’s security. My India is Great! :rolleyes:

    “The service chiefs should put their foot down and not accept the thermonuclear weapon even if it has been weaponised,” he noted, pointing out that repeated tests for assurance was normal in any scientific endeavour.

    From the whole article it is known that this scient has little knowledge about India’s thermonuclear device development, its just because of jealousy they are currently spitting on Dr. RC and Dr. Kalam? Where were they, when the test conducted? :diablo:

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812821
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    Space security policy is the need of the hour, stresses report
    September 19, 2009 17:43 IST

    ‘India needs to formulate a comprehensive space security policy for defence and development,’ the point was suggested by a group constituted by the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses.

    In its report drafted in collaboration with the Indian Pugwash Society, the group has projected at least nine scenarios of emergencies and threats to India’s space security that cannot be tackled without a well-defined policy.

    It warns that India will be left behind unless it braces up to explore possibilities in space, particularly when the developed countries are spending large amounts of money on the development of dual-use space technologies.

    The report sees the biggest threat to India coming from China that sent a signal of entering an arms race in space by launching an Anti- Satellite Missile test in January 2007 to destroy its own weather satellite by a kinetic kill vehicle that left 2,317 pieces of golf ball-sized and bigger debris.

    Quoting space scientists, the report says these debris will remain in orbit for many years and may even interfere with future space activities. The report says Pakistan also has a well-developed nuclear and missile programme which is entirely India-centric and its nexus with China in trying to contain India will lead to their collaboration in space too.

    The report says the space security policy should take care of the security needs of the country, and India should make timely investments in space technologies and carry out domestic legal reforms to promote space security.

    It also stressed that India should pursue an international negotiating strategy, which is proactive, and flexible, particularly since the progress towards arms control in space is slow.

    The Outer Space Treaty, ratified by 98 countries including China, bans weapons of mass destruction in orbit and outer space, but not the conventional weaponry in orbit.

    The report says while India should support initiation of space arms control negotiations while not overly active. It should oppose weaponisation of space but not the use of outer space for legitimate national security needs. It should rather help evolve global norms for limits to military use of space capabilities.

    The group goes on to suggest that India should consider international cooperation with South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation and other developing countries and offer them the benefits of space to help improve its image and mitigate some of the security concerns in the region. It says this will match China’s current efforts to build cooperation with developing countries for soft power in space.

    The hypothetical scenarios of threats to India’s space security projected in the report include:

    * Attack on an Indian satellite: A possibility from China that has hot up claim on Arunachal Pradesh and resorted to increased border incursions. It can kill India’s low earth orbit for intelligence gathering using the same kind of kinetic kill vehicle that it used to destroy its own satellite in 2007.
    * Jamming of Indian satellite: One of the satellites is already intermittently jammed. Will India be able to pinpoint the culprit. If it is Pakistan, will India jam its satellite? Does it have the technology?
    * Debris hit Indian satellite: Coming from China’s ASAT test in 2007. Will India claim compensation?
    * Terrorists attack and destroy India’s ground satellite tracking station to disrupt services.
    * Indian satellite debris damage European satellite if the satellite becomes dysfunctional and is repeatedly spiraling down.
    * India blamed by China causing damage to its satellite using ground-based laser.
    * India conducts an ASAT test for its own security needs and evoke global criticism.
    * The US for its own reasons shuts down the GPS affecting India’s civil aviation and shipping services.

    http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/19/space-security-policy-is-the-need-of-the-hour.htm

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    I think we are already entered in this area with Integrated Space Cell as well as IAF Aerospace Command are in final stage of establishment.

    Now, integrated space cell to keep an eye on China’s plans

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Now-space-cell-to-keep-an-eye-on-Chinas-plans/articleshow/3118491.cms

    Star wars drill in the works
    – Earth station to keep satellites out of line of missile fire

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080617/jsp/frontpage/story_9422637.jsp

    “The first is a geo-stationary satellite that we are trying to put up (to keep a lookout for probable missiles) and we are also setting up a ground station to monitor any object coming close to our satellites so that we can move our satellites out of harm’s way,” she said.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022303
    Rajan
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    INS Kochi side view from BR

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Galleries/4875-3/INSKochi.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1812846
    Rajan
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    Additional Indian rover on Chandrayaan-II

    http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Additional+Indian+rover+on+Chandrayaan-II&artid=LpXoT7eca2w=&SectionID=1ZkF/jmWuSA=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=X7s7i|xOZ5Y=&SEO=

    Good going. We can learn a lot from working with Russia. Our every mission should be a success otherwise for a single failure Indian media will eat us.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022316
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    INS Kochi

    Stealth destroyer INS Kochi launch video…. (better quality)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjvHt2Z7kY

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022329
    Rajan
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    That is not evident from the CG or any photomaterials.

    In the original model, you had (from front to back)
    100mm main gun (old model)
    8 Brahmos (VL 1×8 )
    24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2×12)
    2x RBU
    32 Barak (VL 2x2x8)
    2×2 TR
    2×2 AK630
    24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2×12)
    2x Hangar/Helicopter

    In the CG we see:
    100mm main gun (new model)
    16 Brahmos (VL 2×8 )
    [space]
    16 Barak (VL 2×8)
    2x RBU
    2×2 AK630
    2×2 TR
    [space]
    16 Barak (VL 2×8)
    2x Hangar/Helicopter

    48 Barak-8 would seem a logical fit, considering the number of missiles on P15 (as well as on Talwar/mond-Talwar/P17). The most logical/likely places (considering Rajpur and P15 layouts) would be 24 forward for the bridge and 24 behind the aft funnel. Question remains what VL launcher is employed:
    – variant 1: the 12 cell modules of the VL Shtil (i.e. 2×12+2×12, each pair of modules fitted side by side lengthwise)
    – variant 2: the 8 cell modules of the Mk41 (3×8+3×8, each triplet of modules fitted either sidebyside across or one behind another)
    I doubt VL launchers of the same type as for Brahmos would be used.

    Depending on how rapidly the Barak-8 becomes available (it is still under development after all), it could well be that the first and possibly even the second P15A will initially be ‘fitted for but not with’, with VLUs to be fitted later on. I don’t think this is likely, but it would at least explain the lack of VLUs on the CG.

    There is no other ‘original model’ other than the one shown as CG, its originally from Indian Navy. Just behind the main gun there are VLS of the Barak-8 not Brahmos. After that Brahmos and near the heli deck ther are Barak-1 as I said. This is followed in other IN ships as well.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022464
    Rajan
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    On the CG, I can locate:
    1 Arsenal A-190E main gun (?)
    16 Brahmos VLS Anti-Ship missiles
    32 Barak-1 SAM for Anti-missile role
    4 AK-630 as CIWS
    2 Twin-tubes Torpedo launcher
    2 RBU-6000 anti-submarine missiles

    But where are these: 48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role?

    Just behind the main gun, there are 2 x 24 Barak-8 LR-SAM, after that 2 x 8 Brahmos VLS and near the helicopter deck there are 4 x 8 Barak-1.

    INS Kochi launch video,

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5026410.cms

    The ship looks very advanced and clean shaped. 😀

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022579
    Rajan
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    Well, if so, what’s that design’s weapons load out?

    Name: Project-15A
    Builder: Mazagaon Dock Limited
    Displacement: 6800 ton
    Cost: $ 900 million each

    Weapons:

    1 Arsenal A-190E main gun (?)
    16 Brahmos VLS Anti-Ship missiles
    48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role
    32 Barak-1 SAM for Anti-missile role
    4 AK-630 as CIWS
    2 Twin-tubes Torpedo launcher
    2 RBU-6000 anti-submarine missiles

    This is not a bad package but I feel shortcomings of the air defence at longer ranges and absence of an LACM. The should have gone for atleast 150 km range SAM.

    in reply to: Indian Space & Missile Discussion #1813074
    Rajan
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    Well science does not work on the premise of faith and belief , there needs to be peer review of the data does by some organisation which is independent government organisation or group of scientist who have no association with BARC or the organisation which developed the H bomb.

    OK as you said, if we do not believe the people who lead our country to be a thermonuclear power than whom should we believe? What is that independent org outside AEC/DAE???

    If they have nothing to hide , then they can have a peer review done by Ex BARC/DAE/DRDO chief like PK Iyenger , Santhanan and RC himself.

    Who said they have nothing to hide? Our nuclear development was one of the secret of 20th century, should we reveal it to the public for the sake of one or two scientists??? Dr. Santhanam himself was not associated with TN development programme, he was the DRDO representative there.

    It is a question of credibility of our nuclear deterrence and not a faith in any individual , the credibility of our countrys nuclear deterrence is far greater than any individual be it RC,APJ or any one.

    I want to tell you exactly same. This is not a matter of any individual nor Dr. Santhanam nor Mr. Kalam!!! Its AEC/DAE/GoI all about. They are the proprietor of Indian nuclear programme, they have the burden to secure India so I think when they have developed it, they know it better. On the other hand if it dont work than there was no point of starting development at all, I think GoI and Indian armed forces are well aware of this.

    Clearly a lot of doubts has been raised on the credibility of TN test be it known scientist like PKI ,Santhanan or Defence forces chief like Army Chief , Airforce and Navy chief , so its certainly the country needs to think about seriously.

    Let aside Dr. PKI, I have seen one of his interview where he was supporting a complete backward political view of a third class political party in India. About Dr. Santhanam, he already said that he wants the GoI should not sign the CTBT or NPT thats why he opened his mouth. If he is correct than I support him very much and GoI should not sign NPT/CTBT at any point but if he is wrong than he should be prosecuted for not revealing such a significant fault in our security when he was the test site director as well as Mr. Kalam and Brajesh Misra. Forget higher authority orders, there is nothing more important than national security. So I think he wanted a debate, nothing more.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022674
    Rajan
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    Isn’t this an image of projected P15B rather than P15A

    No this is not the P-15A but the one I have posted as well as ante_climax. The pic from BR was an old speculation but proved wrong. That is just Brahmos onboard a destroyer.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2022719
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    Project 15A Destroyer INS Kochi To Be Launched This Week

    http://i31.tinypic.com/23r41l.jpg

    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/project-15a-destroyer-ins-kochi-to-be.html

    http://i25.tinypic.com/29gg9k0.jpg

    The design is pretty cool and modern, though I fell absence of a long range land attack cruise missile. With such large displacement the ship should have place for atleast 24 Nirbhay missile. I expect it will be included her weapon package after the missile is ready. But again Indians!! Delay… delay and delay… hail the great Indian Babus….. :diablo:

    There are five modern ships (3 P-17 & 2 P-15A) launched at MDL alone but none of them have been inducted into the Navy. Quite sad story.

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