Nerpa is the property of Russia and they would be paying for any extra cost involved with its repair , India has yet to get the yet to leased sub.

:confused: I dont know if they want to play another dirty game with India just like the Gorshkov. They will put the burden on our shoulder which is actually their fault. But at last the Indian armed forces have to suffer. India and Russia are time tested friends and I appreciate it but these types of blackmails are dangerous.

Rajan for one even Dr Saraswat had admitted that the ABM system is not entirely developed.

Either we had got TOT or co developed the following

LRTR – derivative of Israel Green Pine ( Long Range Tracking , Fire Control for PAD )
Master-A – Firecontrol for AAD
Ku Band seeker – Russia , seeker for AAD and PAD

Yes many sub-systems of the BMD are taken from abroad. But why can’t we utilize those technologies for future systems??? We got lot of experience with Akash SAM as well.

LRTR uses experience from Green Pine but the system is still developed by the DRDO with Israeli help. I have read an article about Indian radar development as well as LRTR, but forgot where it was! I will try to find it. There they even mentioned that the T/R modules of the LRTR are Indian! DRDO already edevloped a indigenous FCR as well to replace the Master-A from Thales. We can go for a JV but we must utilize our past experiences as well, without fully depending on foreign seller for everything. I think most of the money required for development of the Barak-NG is Indian, so it should be developed in India not in Israel. But almost entire system is Israeli with little Indian contribution.

I dont know about the PAD’s seeker, whether it is Indian or not but seeker for the AAD is definitely Indian. It is a Ka (not Ku) band active radar seeker jointly developed by the ECIL, BARC, SAMEER and the Program AD team.

What US gave us was something they had created against us few decades back , now they see billions of $$$$ to be made milking India and its strategic program effectively curtailed it well full steam supporting the deal.

Yes they will gain from the deal, but if they don’t get anything why they will support us?! This deal is good for both India and US, not just alone India or US. We should remember that India is a signatory of the CTBT or NPT! Then also we got many exceptions from IAEA and NSG just like the signatories!

The GOI did not attack Pakistan because that would have disturbed the US GWOT , since our GOI is so deeply in love with US that it puts their interest over our own.

That is partially correct! Again I am repeating what I have said in my previous post, this current GoI is very weak internally. It failed India to punish the terrorist and make IA ready for an attack. They are seduced the promises made by the GoP. But again this is not anything new! Remember December, 2002??? The then GoI also failed to attack Pakistan for the same reasons.

The defence forces are always ready and you fight with what you have and when you are required to do , there is nothing like an ideal time and ideal day to fight. That is what the defence service are trained for , that is why we spend 2.5 % GDP on defence budget.

That is a common thought! But reality was far away from this. In a natural way we think that we have an edge over Pakistan to punish the terrorists. But IAF was the only force that was fully ready for the war! The IN was partially ready with no aircraft carrier, no good submarine, Krivaks are not fully OK, P-17s, Gorshkov and Scorpenes are yet to come!!! The IA was in worst condition!!! Their artillery and tank forces were not upto the mark to have a ‘full combat edge’ over PA!

We really spend 2-2.5% of the GDP, but if the people in chairs don’t have any intention to make the forces a potent one we will not be able to win a war!

The GOI is happy with status quo and as long as the elites **** can be protected ,who cares about the life and property of common citizen of the country , well this time around few rich and other nationals died , Mr Chidambaram said sorry , did he say sorry when hundreds of ordinary citizen died in Train blast in Mumbai or blast in Delhi and else where ?

200% agreed! Thats why people asked a question, “Why should I vote? For whom?”

The greatest joke is a comment from Chidu, ” If there is any other attack before the vote, we will see you!!!!!!” So they really don’t care about the 26/11, they need second one to retaliate…. 😮

Must read on how we are royally taken by US with Nuclear Deal

No more room for manoeuvre
Bharat Karnad

A new coalition government assuming power after the general election will be shocked to find that its foreign and military policy manoeuvring space has been severely shrunk by the outgoing Congress party-led regime. Recovering Indian independence and initiative will require, in the main, wriggling out of the tight corner the country has been pushed into by the civilian nuclear cooperation deal with the US.

The nuclear deal which, according to ministry of external affairs insiders, took up fully 90% of Manmohan Singh’s time, proved beyond doubt the Prime Minister’s abysmal understanding of international power politics, which consists of sucking up to Washington at every turn. It explains why his government, for instance, refused to order a military response to 26/11. Singh apparently feared that doing so would lead Pakistan to redeploy its forces eastward, undermine the US strategy on Afghanistan-Pakistan and upset the US. But given that the US perceives its interests to be global, not upsetting Washington is a recipe for immobilizing Indian foreign and military policy.

Disregarding a hallowed foreign policy principle from Indira Gandhi’s time of abjuring treaties with the potential to hurt the country’s nuclear programme and limit its weapon options, Singh signed the nuclear deal. The 18 July 2005 joint statement and the subsequent enabling US law, the Henry J Hyde United States-India Atomic Energy Cooperation Act of 2006, make amply clear the American intention to use the bilateral agreements as legal device to shoehorn the heretofore untrammelled Indian nuclear programme into the non-proliferation treaty net (refer deputy secretary of state James Steinberg’s 24 March talk at the Brookings Institution).

Singh’s raison d’etre for the deal was his claim that it will help the country achieve “energy security”. A handful of us critics, including stalwart nuclear scientists P.K. Iyengar and A.N. Prasad, argued at length in our public writings why such and other claims were as fraudulent as Singh’s assertions in Parliament—which were belied by the safeguards agreement, that the deal secured for India recognition as a nuclear weapon state. Moreover, by agreeing in effect to forswear testing, he has ensured that the Indian deterrent will lack credibility because its most potent thermonuclear weapons are untested, unproven, and unreliable.

Again, as forewarned, the deal that Singh hatched will be used by the radical non-proliferationists in the top posts in the Obama administration to squeeze this country. Instead of a free flow of civilian nuclear technology that the Prime Minister promised, India will be under the gun to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) and the Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT) and, heedless of the Chinese strategic build-up, to square up on nuclear armaments with a strategically irrelevant Pakistan, a country with a gross domestic product that is less than one quarter of the market cap of the Bombay Stock Exchange.

Consider President Barack Obama’s appointees who will be shaping his India policy. At the steering wheel is the special adviser on non-proliferation at the White House, Robert J. Einhorn, a long-time opponent of India’s nuclear military programme, whose views are faithfully echoed by under secretary of state for non-proliferation and international security-designate Ellen O. Tauscher. Until she was picked for the job, Tauscher, a Democrat Congresswoman from California, was distinguished mainly by her toxic rants against nuclear India. Her priority, in line with Einhorn’s, is to compel India to sign the CTBT.

“Trying to stop Tauscher from getting” her way, writes her friend Joseph Cirincione, who heads the non-proliferation-minded Ploughshares Fund, would be “like trying to stop Sherman from marching to Atlanta”. For those not familiar with the US Civil War lore, this reference is to the Union Army Gen. William T. Sherman’s “march to the sea” through the rebellious southern states that destroyed the economic heartland of the Confederacy, including its biggest city, Atlanta, which was torched.

Tauscher, the “smash and burn” specialist who makes her predecessor John R. Bolton from the George W. Bush era look positively tame, will be at the diplomatic cutting edge, assisted by arms control expert Rose Gottmoeller, as assistant secretary of state for verification and compliance. Sharing a punitive mindset, these three will insist that India sign the CTBT, quickly agree to an FMCT and comply with every last provision in the Hyde Act, such as the “Obama Amendment”. This clause expressly prevents India from reasonably stockpiling uranium fuel for the lifetime of any imported reactors, rendering the reactors a dead investment and India hostage to behaviour that the US deems good. This Act also requires India to be in “congruence” with the US on Iran. If the current US attempts at a rapprochement with Tehran fail, this clause too will kick in. In short, the implementation of this Act in toto will entail a neutering of India.

Do you reckon any new coalition government will have the gall to stand up to the US and its enforcers, Messrs Einhorn, Tauscher and Gotmoeller? Because Singh, should he return as prime minister, has shown he doesn’t.

Bharat Karnad is a professor in national security studies at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi. Comments are welcome at [email]theirview@livemint.com[/email]

A better friendship with USA is in India’s interest, specially in 21st century. What India gained from the IAEA and NSG, other countries, except USA could not give us. But still we are not US’s ally or puppet, note that we have stronger relation with Russia and Iran!

About not attacking Pakistan after 26/11 is not related to US, actualy India was not ready. IA was not ready, GoI was not ready. Above all Pakistan is not a responsible nuke power, we yet to have a operational BMD. Now here it is not Indira Gandhi but Manmohan Singh! GoI failed India to flex her muscle and punish the terrorists! This govt is very very weak. No where near upto the mark…. 😮

An Indian space shuttle takes shape

T.S. Subramanian

Reusable Launch Vehicle-Technology Demonstrator to fly within a year

— PHOTO: ISRO

An engineering model of the Indian space shuttle called “Reusable Launch Vehicle-Technology Demonstrator” at the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, Thiruvananthapuram.

CHENNAI: An Indian version of the space shuttle will be test-flown from the spaceport at Sriharikota in a year’s time. The Reusable Launch Vehicle-Technology Demonstrator (RLV-TD), as it is called, will be a combination rocket-aircraft: the aircraft with a winged body, which is the RLV, will sit vertically on the rocket.

The engineering model of the aircraft is ready at the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre (VSSC) in Thiruvananthapuram. The first stage of the Satellite Launch Vehicle-3, flown in the early 1980s, will form the booster rocket. Weighing nine tonnes, it is called S-9.

After it takes off like a rocket, the booster will release the unmanned aircraft, which will go into space. At the end of the mission, the aircraft will land in the sea.

K. Radhakrishnan, Director, VSSC, said in an interview: “The next year we expect the prototype of the RLV-TD to be ready for flight-testing. This will be a milestone for ISRO.” The RLV “will open a new dimension in the launch vehicle technology and transportation system of ISRO.”

According to Dr. Radhakrishnan, ground testing of the booster rocket was done at Sriharikota in December 2008.

S. Ramakrishnan, Director (Projects), VSSC, explained how the rocket-aircraft would look: “The aircraft will stand over the rocket, nose-tip up, and its tail will be interfaced with the rocket. In other words, the entire RLV will stand vertically on top of the booster.” The engineering model of the prototype RLV was ready at the VSSC. “It will undergo various structural and load tests,” Mr. Ramakrishnan said.

The booster rocket will take the RLV to a specific altitude, release the RLV and fall into the sea. On re-entry into the earth’s atmosphere, the RLV will land in the sea, to be recovered.

“Re-entry, descent and recovery are the three issues which we are trying to understand,” Mr. Ramakrishnan said. But in the first trial-flight in 2010, the RLV will not be recovered from sea because it will not be cost-effective to do so. “But we will get the data on the re-entry, deceleration and return from the telemetry.”

There were several issues that the ISRO was trying to understand in the mission, Dr. Radhakrishnan said. These included the aerodynamics of the RLV, compared to the rocket, and the controllability of the vehicle. “The control system must be fast-acting. That is the basic challenge. The digital auto-pilot is important for the ascent phase and the descent phase.”

The third important challenge was the heat generated when the RLV re-entered the atmosphere. Dr. Radhakrishnan said: “You need to have hot structures [which can withstand the re-entry heat]… Today, we have a handle on the materials.”

The ISRO had a long way to go before it could build an operational RLV, he said. “This is the first TD towards that.”

http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/01/stories/2009040161821100.htm

This is from AI-2009….

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5893/rlvtdlauncherimg0032pr4.jpg

WT model….

The Hobart class Destroyer’s are 6,250t, they are not 3,000t ships. While the design is that of the F100 class designed by Navantia, they will be built in Adelaide, South Australia.

Oh, and with ESSM quad packed into some of its VLS cells it is definately not going to have less firepower then the 6,800t Kolkata class destroyers in terms of its primary mission (AAW) though with 8 Harpoons it only carries half the number of SSM’s.

Hobart class has total 48 VLS for ESSM/SM-2 but the Kolkata class (P-15A) has 48 VLS for Barak-NG alone. It will be equipped with 32 Barak-1 point defense SAM as well as 16 Brahmos. But still the Hobart class costs two times more than P-15A. But the writer was comparing P-15B with Hobart class not P-15A. The P-15B will be equipped with long range LACM, I do not know how it will cost less than P-15A!!! He may be talking about the main ship body not the weapons and sensors.

This is the actual press release from the official Indian PTI news agency:

http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/B38920E18A38B1BB65257589004A0EF8?OpenDocument

Bolded to show the original text – which also mentions “new sensor” – so hardware upgrade to the original seeker or new seeker by itself?

I think it is a new one, because the technology tells that the capability the Block-II version needs imaging/mapping technologies whether radar/IO/terrain. Also notes that after the first failure news sources mentioned something like ‘video feedback’ from the missile to the command center.

A BR member posted this interesting source about development of Passive Millimeter Wave Imaging by the DIAT.

http://www.diat.ac.in/achiev.htm

ACHIEVEMENTS

Past projects successfully completed

1.Design, Development and Performance Evaluation of Passively Q- Switched LASER Pumped Nd:YVO4 LASER.
2.Optical Fiber based precision measurement System for Industrial Application.
3.Design and Development of Micro-controller based Optical robot
4.Design and Development of Remote Setting Device for Underwater Mine.
5.Design and Development of fiber Optic Distributed Pressure Sensor.
6.Design and Development of Fiber Optic Gyroscope.
7.Fiber Optic Multi parameter Sensor for Aircraft flight Control system
8.Software to Estimate Environmental Changes.
9.Passive Millimeter Wave Imaging Passive Millimeter.
10.Multispectral Classification Algorithm
11.Target Detection
12.CW CO2 Laser