The P-17A project supposed to be a $ 8 billion deal for seven frigates now Col Shukla mentioned it as a $ 4 billion (17000 crore) project!!
Advanced warship programme:Navy says build abroad
Ajai Shukla / Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai, March 27, 2009.
The Indian Navy’s Project 17 is nearing completion; three Indian-designed-and-built stealth frigates of the Shivalik class are on track to enter service. Now, attention has switched to Project 17-A, the country’s biggest-ever naval purchase, a Rs 17,000 crore plan to build seven stealth frigates that are even more advanced than the Shivalik class.
The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) has long cleared the project, but no order has yet been placed by the Ministry of Defence. Business Standard has learned that the order is held up by a difference of opinion between the shipyards and the navy on where these frigates should be built.
The two defence shipyards capable of manufacturing 5000-tonne frigates — Mazagon Dock Limited, Mumbai (MDL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Kolkata (GRSE) — argue that Project 17-A should be built entirely in India. The Indian Navy insists that the first two frigates should be built in a foreign shipyard. After the Indian shipyards have observed how it is done, they can build the next five vessels.
At the heart of the disagreement is a new, highly advanced building method — modular shipbuilding — that India will use for Project 17-A, and for all projects thereafter.
Conventional shipbuilding was relatively simple: first weld together a steel hull, and then put in the engines, piping, electrical wiring, fitments, weaponry and electronics that make it a fighting platform. Modular shipbuilding is far more complex, akin to a giant Lego game. The warship is built in 300-tonne blocks, each block complete with all the piping, electrical wiring and fitments that form a part of the ship. Then these 300-tonne blocks are brought together by giant cranes and assembled into a complete warship.
This creates an entirely different set of design challenges. Each bulkhead wall, each pipe, each cable, and each electronic component in a 300-tonne block must precisely connect with its counterpart in the neighbouring block. Each block is designed separately, but all of them must come together in perfect alignment.
This method has never been used by either MDL or GRSE; they accept the need for a foreign design partner. But both shipyards, having successfully built frigates of the Brahmaputra and the Shivalik class, claim they already have the expertise needed to build Project 17-A, based on the foreign partner’s drawings. Admiral HS Malhi, Chairman and Managing Director (CMD) of MDL says, “We need to go abroad for the production drawings… But for actual modular construction, no technology is required to be transferred”
The Navy believes that if MDL and GRSE try to master this skill while they build the first Project 17-A frigates, the entire programme will be delayed unacceptably. Instead, the Director of Naval Design, Rear Admiral MK Badhwar, says the foreign design partner selected should built the first two frigates in his own shipyard, observed by Indian workmen who can thereby pick up the skills.
The DND says, “This will also make the vendor demonstrate “buildability”. He must demonstrate that his design can be actually built into a warship, using modular construction, in four years. That will create a demonstrated benchmark for GRSE and MDL; otherwise, if there are delays later, our shipyards could argue that the foreign yard too would have taken a long period to build each frigate.”
The MoD’s is finding it difficult to reconcile these two viewpoints, partly because a decision to build two frigates abroad would sharply escalate the cost of Project 17-A. Each Shivalik class stealth frigate, built in MDL, cost Rs 2000-2500 crores. The bill for a comparable frigate, built in a European shipyard for the Australian navy, has come to more than double that figure.
Tomorrow: French shipyard, DCNS, favourite as design partner
A detailed view of the Indian ABM project….. It also shows the advances of India in this field, I think other than USA and Russia no other country has gained/tested so much in this area…..
The interceptor

The target

The man behind the test : V.K. Saraswat, Programme Director, Air Defence, DRDO.

Hat-trick of hits
http://flonnet.com/stories/20090410260704100.htm
T.S. SUBRAMANIAN
The success of the DRDO’s March 6 test means that India will have a ballistic missile defence shield ready for deployment in four years.
BY SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT
The interceptor missile Prithvi racing towards its target soon after its launch from Wheeler Island, off the Orissa coast, on March 6.
THE Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) prowess in advanced software that goes into the making of interceptor missiles was proved convincingly on March 6 when a Prithvi interceptor missile achieved a direct hit-to-kill on an “enemy” missile. The interception took place at an altitude of 80 kilometres when a modified Dhanush missile, launched from the naval ship INS Subhadra in the Bay of Bengal, was in its descent phase and hurtling towards Wheeler Island, off Orissa’s coast. Dhanush was simulating the final phase of the trajectory of ballistic missiles with a range of 1,500 km, such as Pakistan’s Ghauri missile. At the end of over five minutes of heightened suspense at the Launch Control Centre (LCC) on Wheeler Island, the Prithvi interceptor missile cut into the path of the incoming “Dhanush” missile, knocked it out and also pulverised the latter with its new manoeuvrable warhead.
Such was the accuracy of the interception that those scanning the plot-boards at the LCC celebrated like never before. India was finally on the way to acquiring a ballistic missile defence shield to thwart enemy attacks. In terms of strategic importance, the success established India’s capability to intercept Pakistan’s Hatf and Ghauri missiles.
“Our strength is our software,” V.K. Saraswat, Programme Director, Air Defence, DRDO, had declared in November 2008. “In the ballistic missile defence shield, if there are glitches in the software, it cannot be excused. It has to work thoroughly. There are a million lines of code. The onboard software runs in real time in the interceptor missile.”
Saraswat called the March 6 success “a major test in assembling the ballistic missile defence system as part of network-centric warfare”. He added: “In the next 25 years, you will see a growth in the direction of network-centric warfare. So we are making these building blocks.”
It was the third success in a row for the DRDO, which has been making all-out efforts to acquire a two-layered ballistic missile defence shield with interceptors that can shoot down incoming missiles. It tasted success in its first mission on November 27, 2006, when a Prithvi missile intercepted a Prithvi-II missile at an altitude of 48 km in what is called the exo-atmosphere. It was a direct hit. The interceptor was called Prithvi Air Defence (PAD-01). Again, on December 6, 2008, an Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missile shot down a modified Prithvi missile at an altitude of 15 km in what is called the endo-atmosphere when the “attacker” was in the final stage of its flight. It was a direct hit too. With the March 6 direct hit, the DRDO has achieved a hat-trick.
If the interception on March 6 took place at an altitude much higher than in the previous missions, there are distinct advantages to it. The debris will take longer to fall through the atmosphere and become cinders because of re-entry heat. In an actual war, this will reduce the effect of any fallout of the debris of a nuclear warhead and the risks associated with radiation.
Three features stood out in the latest mission: the Prithvi interceptor missile’s gimballed/manoeuvrable warhead, which can rotate 360 degrees; the interceptor’s coasting phase, which can “take care” of the manoeuvres performed by the attacker; and the very advanced software residing in the computers of the interceptor. The warhead is called a directional one because it can be directed to explode towards the target. Only the U.S. and Russia have gimballed directional warheads.
Regarding the software used in the interceptor, Saraswat said: “The software of the guidance, control and navigation systems, which was generated by our scientists in Hyderabad, is practically the high watermark of the technology of our ballistic missile defence system. It will not be out of place to say that while many countries have been struggling for many years to get this kind of performance, it is to the credit of the young team at the DRDO that it made this mission a success. As far as the programme is concerned, this is a major milestone in proving the capability of our ballistic missile defence shield.” The computer controlled, navigated and guided the vehicle towards its target, besides performing a series of mission-sequencing tasks. Besides, the interceptor had a special software to discriminate the terminal phase of the enemy missile’s flight. Interceptions would take place in the terminal phase.
The test
Dhanush, the “enemy” missile, was a single-stage missile with a diameter of one metre, a weight of 4.5 tonnes, and a height of 9.4 m. Propelled by liquid fuel, it quickly climbed to an altitude of 150 km, cut a parabola and started heading towards Wheeler Island. About 50 seconds into its flight, radars at Konark and Paradip in Orissa tracked the missile and relayed the information to the Mission Control Centre (MCC) on Wheeler Island. The MCC then analysed whether it was a ballistic missile or an aircraft. Within five seconds, the MCC concluded that it was a “hostile” target which would impact close to Wheeler Island very soon. This information was received by the LCC, which used it to compute the trajectory of the interceptor to engage the incoming ballistic missile. It then decided that the interception should take place at an altitude of 80 km when Dhanush was in its descent mode. The LCC also quickly decided when the interceptor, named Prithvi Air Defence (PAD-02), should lift off. When the launch computer gave the command for it to blast off, the two-stage interceptor, 10 metres tall, weighing 5.2 tonnes and having a diameter of one metre, rose from a truck on the beach-head on the island. While its first stage was powered by liquid fuel, the second stage had solid propellants.
About five minutes and ten seconds later, when the interceptor had reached an altitude of 80 km, its homing seeker acquired the target when it was 25 km away. Using this information, the interceptor’s computer guided it towards the target and brought it within a few metres of Dhanush.
At this point of time, the radio proximity fuse (RPF) of the gimballed directional warhead calculated the distance from Dhanush and the time at which the warhead should detonate.
“When the interceptor and the target were practically colliding with each other, the warhead was detonated, which led to the fragmentation of the target and the interceptor. It was a direct hit and also a warhead detonation. A large number of fragments formed due to the collision and detonation of the warhead were tracked by ground radars and the radars on ships. We could see on our plot boards hundreds of new tracks being formed, confirming that it was both a direct hit and a detonation,” Saraswat said.
The highlights of the mission were proving the technology of the gimballed directional warhead and demonstrating the interceptor’s coasting phase, using a vernier thruster. This coasting phase in the interceptor’s trajectory helps it to decide at what stage it should intercept the “enemy” missile. If the attacker does a manoeuvre, the interceptor’s guidance system will take care of it. To make the seeker effective, the DRDO used a wide-beam RPF in the warhead, which was a mini-radar. “So even if there is a manoeuvre by the enemy missile in the last 500 milliseconds, the RPF will be able to take care of it. The directional warhead will be ignited on the basis of the data given by the RPF,” said Saraswat.
Another major element employed in the mission was the advanced battle management command, control and communication software, which resided in the MCC. The entire event was tracked by a number of ground stations with complete mobile and static communication systems provided by satellites, fibre optics and line-of-sight communication.
Saraswat said: “It was a mission planned, designed and executed with clockwork precision. It proves the robustness, reliability and repeatability of the design of India’s emerging ballistic missile defence system, which can take care of incoming missiles with a range of 300 km to 1,500 km. It demonstrates that the DRDO’s ballistic missile defence shield has reached a great level of maturity.”
COURTESY: DRDO
THE DHANUSH MISSILE being launched from the naval ship INS Subhadra in the Bay of Bengal.
W. Selvamurthy, Chief Controller, DRDO, predicted that in the wake of the “hat-trick of successes”, India’s ballistic missile defence shield would be ready for deployment in about four years. “It will take us a couple of more trials before our system is ready to be offered for deployment. In the next trial, we will do combined interceptions in both the exo-atmosphere and the endo-atmosphere,” he said.
Saraswat praised “the synergy” and “the collective skill and knowledge” of the DRDO laboratories which made the mission a success. They included the Research Centre Imarat, the Advanced Systems Laboratory and the Defence Research and Development Laboratory, all located in Hyderabad and collectively called “the missile complex”; the High Energy Materials Research Laboratory, the Armament Research and Development Establishment, and the Research and Development Establishment (Engineers), all located in Pune; the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment, Bangalore; the Terminal Ballistics Research Laboratory, Chandigarh; and the Vehicle Research and Development Establishment, Ahmednagar. •
As per Col Ajai Shukla (from INS Shivalik)…..
THE SHIVALIK’S TEETH : WEAPONS SYSTEMS ON BOARD
Anti-air defence : Radar-guided Shtil missile system.
Point Defence : Two Barak-1 Vertical Launch Systems (VLS)
Missile System and Two AK-630 Rapid Fire Guns
(PDMS)
Anti-surface : Eight Klub Vertical Launch System (VLS)
missiles cruise missiles, with a range of almost 300 kilometers
Anti-submarine : RBU 6000 rocket launchers, total 24 barrels. Also,
two onboard helicopters, with sonars and torpedoes
Main gun : OtoMelara 76 mm Super Rapid Gun Mount (SRGM)
manufactured at BHEL, Haridwar. This can
fire at ground and aerial targets 15-20 km away
IN THE PIPELINE: WARSHIPs BEING BUILT IN INDIA
Kochi shipyard : Indigenous aircraft carrier
Mazagon Dock, : Project 17 : Three Shivalik class frigates
Mumbai Project 15-A : Three Kolkata class destroyers
Project Scorpene : Six Scorpene submarines
Garden Reach : Project 28 : Four anti-submarine corvettes
Shipyard, Kolkata Ten fast attack craft
Two Landing ships for amphibious warfare
Goa Shipyard : Three OPVs (Offshore Patrol Vessels)
Private yards : Six survey vessels
“Network-centric” is the new buzzword that defines the high-tech combat of today. The Shivalik is supremely well equipped for the new digital battlefield.
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So other than one extra heli and Barak-1 (excluding some sensors) there is nothing new in much heavier P-17s!!! Atleast i expected the VLS Brahmos….
Ahh, this never-ending “let’s make a cruiser out of a corvette” quest… 😀
The IN considered PAAMS for the P-17s.
It looks like P-17 delays harming other projects as well ….bad sign for indian defence shipbuilding… i think the Navy should go for Private + PSU JV…
Sorry, Mumbai has no berth for Kolkata
SUJAN DUTTA
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090317/jsp/nation/story_10681349.jsp
New Delhi, March 16: The navy is all at sea because there is no room in Mumbai for Kolkata.
The INS Kolkata, the navy’s “stealth” guided-missile destroyer named after the Bengal capital, is floating — unable to sail — in the waters off the west coast metropolis.
Not a berth is available in the Mazagaon Docks where the INS Kolkata is to be moored so that it can be fitted with four gas turbines to propel it; given a landing deck and a hangar for two helicopters; armed with missiles and torpedoes to make it the most powerful warship of its class.
On schedule, the 6,700-tonne INS Kolkata would by now have been in a “hot start” mode with four Ukrainian M-36 Gas Turbine propulsion systems and ready for sea trials. Classified as Project 15Alpha, the INS Kolkata, the first of three in its class, would have “an updated weapons package and new-look exteriors and improved stealth (making it difficult to detect) and will be delivered beginning with the end of this decade”, says official literature distributed by the directorate of naval design.
But senior naval sources say a conservative delivery schedule envisages that the INS Kolkata will be ready only in 2013, at least three years after its deadline.
The INS Kolkata is not the only warship to be delayed. A parliamentary committee study has found that nearly all the stealth projects of the navy totalling worth more than Rs 19,000 crore are late. More than 30 ships and submarines are being built for the Indian Navy at home and overseas.
The INS Kolkata was “launched” three years ago. Its keel was laid in September 2003 when it was announced that it would be commissioned in 2010.
But now there is not a single shipyard in the country large enough to accommodate the INS Kolkata. Calcutta’s own Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers is too small to accommodate a destroyer. Even then, it has its berths full with orders for offshore and fast patrol boats and frigates.
In Mazagaon Docks (MDL), a senior naval officer told The Telegraph: “They do not have the manpower, design, capability, availability of berths, and the wherewithal to meet monthly targets — simply put, there does not seem to be the will.”
He said MDL makes a 12 per cent profit in any case and cost overruns add to its revenues and all projects, including the strategic, licensed-from-the-French Scorpene submarine venture, are running behind schedule.
Worse, the INS Shivalik stealth frigate project has been hit by an insidious bombshell after the new Obama administration instructed GE to stop work on a pair of gas turbine engines on the ship under US laws.
The Indian Navy is now trying to work around the laws by drawing in consultants from Italy and Germany by using the defence public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The INS Shivalik is likely to be delayed by at least nine months.
The INS Kolkata is an advancement over the INS Delhi, the destroyer currently in service that also has the INS Mumbai and the INS Mysore in its class. The enhanced weapons package on the INS Kolkata will include twin-tube torpedo-launchers, anti-submarine rocket launchers, and 28 Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LR-SAMs), possibly the Barak-NG (next generation).
The Barak-NG has run into a controversy itself with the CPM demanding that India should pull out of the joint venture project. A venture between India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation and the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) for which the cabinet committee on security has committed at least Rs 10,000 crore, the Barak-NG or Barak-II ship missile defence system is yet to be tried and tested.
The Indian Navy has armed its vessels with the first generation of Barak missiles with which it claims it is satisfied.
In keeping with the new look that the city it is named after aspires for, the INS Kolkata has been given a sophisticated design that compares among the best of warships in its class.
Indian Naval Headquarters asked its designers to come up with a destroyer that can operate with fully integrated multi-function radar systems and, for the first time, 16 silos — eight on each side — capable of launching Brahmos supersonic cruise missiles.
Estimated to cost nearly Rs 8,500 crore, the INS Kolkata “will be capable of exerting sea-control in a multi-threat environment”, says Rear Admiral M.K. Budhwar, director-general of naval design.
Next: Surveillance radars in space

INTERVIEW/DR V.K. SARASWAT, CHIEF CONTROLLER (MISSILE SYSTEMS), DRDO
The ballistic missile interceptor is Saraswat’s latest baby. As DRDO’s programme director, he had spearheaded the concept of theatre defence systems and the integration of national air defence elements. He was responsible for the induction of India’s first surface-to-surface missile, Prithvi, and its variants in the armed forces. This year, he hopes to hold a combined test of blasting incoming enemy missiles inside and outside the atmosphere.
Excerpts from an interview:
How important was the ballistic missile interceptor test?
With this test, India has acquired the capability of air defence against incoming ballistic missiles. Once you have a ballistic missile defence system, a country with a small arsenal will think twice before launching a nuclear attack.
What are the specific advantages of the interceptors?
This interceptor can destroy missiles with a 2,000km range. In phase-II, we are developing above 2,000km class. For tracking missiles with 6,000km range, the interceptors will be helped by radars on satellites. Currently, the radars can cover an area of a radius of 600km. You need much more energy for missiles of higher range. In terms of seeker, the time is very less as the speed of the missile also increases.
How fast can the interceptor detect and react to a hostile missile?
Target classification takes just 30 seconds. Then the batteries [of the interceptor missile], which are in hot stand-by conditions, can be launched within 100-120 seconds. So in simple terms, an interceptor takes two to three minutes to react and destroy a hostile missile.
How good is the interceptor missile compared to the American Patriot missile?
The US system is developed for their defence. The threat profile of our country is different and the system has to be customised to our needs. So we cannot compare the two.
When are you expecting to complete the project?
By 2011, we expect to complete the development of missile systems. We will be conducting five tests each for endo- and exo-atmospheric (below and above 30km altitude) and integrated missile defence systems. Once that is over, the missile will be ready for deployment.
What is the technological capability of the programmes?
The system is fully automated and does not require human activation in case of an attack. Under the present system, the interceptors are on ‘hot stand-by mode’ and can take-off within 120 seconds of the detection of the incoming missile.
Any upcoming programmes or tech upgradations?
Till the 1990s, the challenge was to meet the range and warhead carrying capacity for the missile. But from 2002 onwards, the focus has been on accuracy of hit or hit to kill. This requires special technologies such as infrared and radio frequency seekers embedded in the missiles with high precision homing devices. We also have plans for a space-based surveillance radar system which could track any missile.
A good and informative article about the missile defence test…. I think they should reduce the reaction time (160 seconds) and the warhead detonation distance from the target for future missions. Good to see that they are developing radars enough to ‘look’ more than 2000 km inside enemy territory.
Aerial ambush
Graphics: N.V. Jose
India’s own ‘Star Wars’ programme clears its third consecutive field test
By Syed Nazakat
As ballistic missile Dhanush lifted off INS Subhadra on the afternoon of March 6 and swooped towards the Orissa coast 150 km away, only Dr V.K. Saraswat knew where it was going to strike. But he kept quiet.
In 50 seconds radars at Konark and Paradip picked up the incoming missile, which was racing out of the earth’s atmosphere, and ‘informed’ the mission control centre. The centre’s computers declared the missile ‘hostile’ and, from its flight path, assessed its target.
Within 160 seconds of the radars picking up the target, Saraswat’s newest missile lifted off and raced at a speed of 3,500 metres per second out of the earth’s atmosphere. The mission: kill the hostile missile before it reentered the atmosphere. As it climbed sharply, ground radars fed its embedded computers with the enemy’s position, trajectory and velocity-all this in 100 milliseconds. Soon the interceptor’s radio frequency homing seeker spotted the enemy and went for the kill. As chances of missing a direct hit are high, the interceptor’s new gimballed directional warhead burst within nine metres of the ‘hostile’ missile and blew it into smithereens-a safe 80km away from the intended target.
It was a hat-trick for Saraswat and the Defence Research and Development Organisation of which he is the chief controller of missile systems. In November 2006, he had killed an incoming missile 48km away from the earth and outside the atmosphere. And in December 2007, he had killed another one inside the atmosphere, just 15km from the target. And towards the end of this year, Saraswat wants to kill two birds with one stone: an endo- and an exo-atmospheric test in one go.
The third successful test has put India in an exclusive club-with the US, Russia and Israel-of countries which are developing their own ballistic missile defence systems. Saraswat hopes to have the system in place by 2011. It will also track Pakistani and Chinese atom-tipped missiles with a network of ground-based early warning radars.
The system can take care of threats from all Pakistani missiles, which have ranges less than 2,000 km. For taking care of ICBMs (intercontinental ballistic missiles) “you need interceptors which can fly 6,000 to 7,000 metres per second,” said a DRDO scientist. Saraswat wants to develop it as the next phase, while simultaneously planning for two more tests with the present capability. “You need at least five tests in this phase,” said he.
Can the enemy jam the system and mislead the interceptor? Yes, the enemy would try to jam the ?frequency of the data-link between the radars and the interceptor. “So ?we have catered for frequency diversity,” said Saraswat. “And the interceptor batteries would be distributed. Even if they jam one or two, the remaining would be working.”
DRDO officials concede that an enemy would be launching a volley of missiles. “My radar can handle 200 targets simultaneously,” said Saraswat. He is confident that with sufficient batteries of interceptor missiles, even volley attacks can be neutralised. DRDO has been working on ballistic missile defence technologies since the mid-1990s. “Some 400 industries are involved in various associated programmes,” said Saraswat.
But Saraswat’s big dream is to develop hypersonic missiles-which fly at five times the speed of sound-for the ballistic missile defence system. It is learnt that DRDO labs are working on two of them, and a hypersonic wind tunnel has been set up in Hyderabad to test them. :confused:
Meanwhile, with the impending acquisition of air-based surveillance platforms, scientists hope to extend the surveillance range beyond the present 600 km to more than 2,000 km into enemy territory. That, incidentally, is more than the distance between the two farthest points in Pakistan. “We have to look at our neighbourhood, our geography and the threat we have,” said Brigadier (retd) Gurmeet Kanwal, director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies. “That should determine what defence system we need to defend our country. It is crucial that we are on our way to having a missile defence system.”
With R. Prasannan
Well in case if you are not aware , our TN test failed , so we will have to test the design/yeald once again.
This is purely from a Military Usability POV , what we tested was a 3rd Gen TN device ( fission boosted fusion device ) and the test was not entirely successful , the fusion stage had a partial/incomplete burn.
So what we have now is a 17 kT FBF device where there is a high degree of confidence , all the other devices ( 50 kT FBF , 300 kT TN ) needs to be proof tested
No the test was a success!!! At least from the point of the men behind the test. You please read the interviews and news quoting the actual people i.e. Dr. Kalam, Dr. Chidambaram, Dr. Kakodkar and Dr. Santhanam as well as the PM. Actually these people knows more about the test than those from the western media claiming it as a ‘failure’.
Again ‘if’ it was ‘partial’, now it is 2009, we have developed many other technologies as well, like supercomputers, those are fast enough to design a new generation TN and simulation. So the TN ‘weapons’ are past for India but R&D is continuing for better systems!! In this regard you may remember that the TN test was pre-planned to collect data for future computer simulation and upgrades. They also tested a boosted fission based on Pt, so it is not correct that the TN was just another boosted fission and claiming it as a fusion! I think Arun Sharma from BR will have a better point than me in this case.
It’s called Sampson 😉
🙂 Actually i forgot the pronunciation.
A fit such as the one suggested by you was never going to happen on a smallish ship like the P-17, not to mention that we’d have certainly heard about a PAAMS sale to India before. Additionally, the Indian Navy is already committed to Barak-NG on a different class of ships as its area airdefence system, as pointed out by you.
I agree that the absence of VL-Shtil is a bit surprising though.
I think PAAMS was not too heavy for a 5000 ton ship!!! Yes we heard that PAAMS was considered by the IN for P-17 ships!!! What happened later i dont know!!!
Barak-NG is yet to be developed and tested!! I think it will cause a lot of delay to the P-15A.
Just think about PAAMS+Brahmos combo!!! wow… :dev2:
Interesting, it would appear that they get Barak rather than Kashtan for close in protection. Shtil to provide a level of consort ship protection. Pity they stuck to the SLR but I suppose that’s a long lead item and once ordered you’re stuck with it. Oh well, perhaps 2x 12-cell VLU’s on the next batch …
The SLR Shtil-1 and the Fregat radars are the worst part of the ship!! Alas I expected something like Aster-30+Simpson!!!!
BTW all the P-17 have SLR Shtil-1 onboard. The follow-on Talwars getting VLS Shtil while P-15A will get Barak-NG MRSAM.
India may not have had any problem with EUMs at all if it was US ally and had stable relations with them, common foreign policy, even allowed US bases etc. But unfortunately none of this is true. i am not talking about present situation but over the last 30 to 50 years.
But if you take Europe and Russia, our main suppliers of arms, they not only have good relations but they don’t mind if India uses their fighters as nuclear weapon carriers, they didn’t mind if India waged war against Pakistan whenever she wants to, they don’t mind if india tests a nuclear weapon, they don’t mind if India builds long range ballistic missiles.
200% agreed!! While anyone has the choice to go for Eurofighter/Rafale/Mig-35 why he will go for a US fighter??!!! Even US’s closest allies like UK, Australia and Japan are not getting full support from US in various regards than forget India!!! They want to sell we want to buy, simple, they are not donating anything.
And do you think we do ?
Yes we have and tested it in 1998. If you talk about capabilities to built a TN than BARC/IGARC/SINP/TIFR/APL all of them have developed many technologies for their civilian nuclear programs that can be easily used for TN weapons. Also note the technologies of tokamak and our participation in ITER indicates India’s advances in this area.
While Israel yet to test a TN!!! I think they managed to get it from somewhere else, but not sure about that…
Ah, thank you, I’ve been looking forward to new imagery of these. Any more pics? Link?
Another photo from the same….
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zUe7sq7m3h0/SbPG5PGOgGI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/YjVv2Jqz1W8/s1600-h/Shivalik+mast.JPG
El/M-2221 STGR for Barak-1
Grapun BAL
Fregat Top plate
Orekh
BEL navigation radar etc
Well, explain why the US is the most successful arms seller in the whole world then…………:rolleyes:
Because the NATO countries and Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia as well as some Arab countries will never buy Russian weapons!!
Sir I am not against US weapons but against staffs like ‘annual physical verification’, sanctions etc etc.
PAD test video
PAD test video (06-03-2009)
Excellent video of the PAD interceptor tested on 6th March 2009….. Specially the target EOTS view….
That is extremely crazy and funny!!! India and Israel are close friend but this kind of things will not change anything in favor of Israel/Rafael instead of international competition or domestic products.
Israel have to learn many things from India as well like heavy launch vehicle, aircraft carrier, nuke sub etc. I think Israel do not have TN?? :dev2: