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  • in reply to: India said mulling missile-shield work with U.S. #1788633
    Rajan
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    One area where India could get help from the US is in launch detection from space. Once India gets that capability they will be in a position to work on Boost Phase interception atleast of missiles launched from Pakistan.

    Yeah, if they want to cooperate then there are many options like Laser based Boost phase interception, space based laser and SM-6 as well as some if the early warning systems. But they should not talk about PAC-3 again… India is not Egypt, UAE and Tiwan…. :rolleyes:

    …note this one…..

    http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Industry/Analysis/2008/01/14/bmd_watch_boeing_assesses_gmd_program/7436/

    Saraswat also confirmed that India’s anti-ballistic missile program remained aggressively ambitious in its R and D goals. He said New Delhi was determined to build very high-speed anti-ballistic missile interceptors that could intercept and destroy intercontinental ballistic missiles with ranges of 3,000 miles.

    “We are now going to build AD-1 and AD-2 — high speed interceptors for engaging 5,000 kilometer — 3,000 mile — class targets,” said Saraswat, who is also project director for DRDO’s Air Defense wing told the reporters, according to another PTI report.

    The new AD-1s and AD-2s would have the capability to shoot down ICBMs launched from deep inside the territory of potential enemy nations, Saraswat said.

    “Currently, we have capabilities to defend ourselves from 2,500 km — 1,500 mile — range ballistic missiles. But suppose missiles are launched by our immediate neighbors from their rear formations, they will be using long-range missiles — Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles and Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles. “We should now develop technologies to defend against them. That is our effort,” he said, according to the PTI report.

    That would give India the ambitious goal of building ABM interceptors comparable to the U.S. Ground-based Mid-course Interceptors, or GBIs, currently deployed around Fort Greely, Alaska, and Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.. These GBIs are believed to be capable of enormous velocities of up to 20,000 mph or even 25,000 mph to make them capable of intercepting ICBMs in their mid-flight phase.

    PTI also noted that India’s DRDO rocket scientists and engineers had already over the past 18 months proved their ability to build anti-ballistic missile interceptors able to destroy incoming intermediate-range missiles at heights of up to 30 miles, or 150,000 feet outside the atmosphere, and at altitudes of nine miles, or 45,000 well within the atmosphere.

    As previously reported in these columns. in November 2006, India successfully test-fired exo-atmospheric ABM interceptor that hit a target 30 miles height and in December 2007 it carried out a successful endo-atmospheric, or within-the-atmosphere test of an interceptor that hit its target at around 45,000 feet.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles – News and Speculations #1789006
    Rajan
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    Nice pics, Rajan.

    However, a quick check of the DRDO website shows that the link to the Aug04 publication from which they were taken seems to have been deactivated!

    Do you have the text and captions that accompanied these pics?

    If you have, and they are too big to post here, drop me a message and I’ll send you my email address.

    This link will work, try it…

    http://www.drdo.org/pub/techfocus/aug04/missile13.htm

    in reply to: Indian Missiles – News and Speculations #1789015
    Rajan
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    Joey, this one is Sagarika (mobile TEL mounted) not K-15. The radius of the K-15 platform is much larger than the missile shown in India Today. Nothing given in DRDO techfocus about IT mentioned 3-in-1 silo. But above all this is not Sagarika. K-15 and Sagarika are completely different…

    This one is Sagarika…(note ‘agarika annexe’)

    http://www.drdo.org/pub/techfocus/aug04/can_mobile.jpg

    This one K-15 underwater-launcher for Agni-3SL

    http://www.drdo.org/pub/techfocus/aug04/pontoon1.jpg

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    BTW can anyone upload this video to youtube…..

    ‘DRDO labs enhance missile expertise’

    http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx

    in reply to: Top 5 fighters as of today. #2513185
    Rajan
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    Top 5 fighers

    Top five fighters of today…my list…(operational only)…

    1. F-22 (stealth, 3rd gen AESA, TVC, next gen sensors)
    2. SU-30 MKI (powerful PESA, TVC, good EW and sensors)
    3. EF Typhoon (agile, good EW and sensors)
    4. F-18E/F Block2 (powerful AESA, good sensors)
    5. Rafale (agile, good sensors)

    After ten years….

    1. F-22/PAK FA
    2. F-35
    3. Typhoon/SU-30 MKI
    4. Mig-35/Rafale
    5. F-18E/Gripen-NG

    in reply to: Indian Missile news and speculations #1789674
    Rajan
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    pls stop these and stick to the topic.. 🙂

    YEAR END REVIEW 2007

    MINISTRY OF DEFENCE

    http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=34262

    The successful launch of Interceptor Missile (AAD) towards developing a ballistic missile defence system, test flight of Agni-III (A3-02), user trial of Akash Missile by Army and Air Force, Handing over of first batch of land version of BrahMos missile systems to Army and successful conduct of 4th Military World Games were some of the significant events in the Ministry of Defence during the current year. The issue of Request for Proposal (RFP) for the purchase of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft for Indian Air Force, the arrival of first batch of two Hawk Advanced Jet Trainers from UK, Signing of the Agreement with Russia on the Joint Development of 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft, First meeting of Indo-German High Defence Committee, Meeting of the Indo-French High Committee Meeting and approval of Parliament to the Armed Forces Tribunal Bill were some other major events during the year.

    INTERCEPTOR MISSILE

    The country took a significant step towards Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) and joined the elite club of USA, Russia and Israel when an interceptor missile successfully targeted the ‘hostile’ missile off the Orissa coast twice in early December. The Endo-Atmospheric AAD Interceptor missile test fired from Wheeler Island intercepted the target missile at an altitude of 15 km from launch surface at supersonic speed.

    AGNI – III

    The Agni – III was successfully launched on April 12, 2007 from the Wheeler Island, off the coast of Orissa. The 16 meter long missile weighing 48 tonnes, lifted off successfully from its Rail Mobile Launcher System leaving a trail of orange and yellow smoke. The missile which has a range of more than 3000 kms is capable of carrying a pay load of 1.5 Tonnes.

    AKASH MISSILE

    Mobility trials as part of user’s trial for Army were conducted at Pokharan during 11 to 29 Jun, 2007 followed by Flyover Trials of Akash Weapon system as part of Air Force User Trials at Pokharan during 15 to 17 Nov 2007. The User’s Trials were also successfully conducted by ITR, Chandipur during 13 to 19 Dec 2007.

    BRAHMOS MISSILE SYSTEM

    First batch of land version of BrahMos missile systems was handed over to the Army. Installation of multi-missile vertical launcher was also completed on board naval ship INS Ranvir. The missile, capable of firing from underwater, is ready for evaluation test so that future submarines will have BrahMos missiles. Development of air version and its interface with different types of aircraft is in progress.

    LIGHT COMBAT AIRCRAFT – Tejas

    Till Dec 2007 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) has completed 785 flights. The program achieved the most significant milestone, when it successfully test fired the Close Combat Missile R-73. This historic event marked the beginning of weaponisation of Tejas. In September, LCA Tejas PV-1 created another milestone as it made a successful first flight with two 800 Ltrs drop tanks under the wing stations. On December 10, the Tejas LCA programme received yet another major fillip with the first successful flight test on PV-2 using Lightening Laser ranging and Laser spot seeking Pod, which can provide the pilot with day and night picture of terrain.

    MILITARY WORLD GAMES

    The 4th CISM Military World Games was successfully organized from October 14 to 21, 07 at Hyderabad and Mumbai wherein over 5000 soldier-athletes from 101 countries participated. The Games held outside Europe for the first time had 13 disciplines. Three new world records were set up during the games in swimming, parachuting and sailing. Out of 101 participating countries, 49 countries won medals in one event or the other. India’s performance in the Games was the all time best as it secured 10 medals (2-Gold, 1-Silver and 7-Bronze)

    ACQUISITION OF INS JALASHWA

    Landing Platform Dock INS JALASHWA was commissioned in the Navy in June this year. This is the first ever procurement of a ship by the Indian Navy from the United States Navy under the Excess Defence Article Programme and through the Foreign Military Sales route of the US Defence Forces. It is capable of carrying over 900 fully armed troops along with thirty vehicles, four landing craft and six helicopters.

    JOINT EXERCISES

    Indian Army held joint exercises with the Armies of China, UK, Maldives, Russia and Singapore. It was for the first time when the Armies of India and China held joint exercise at Kunming in Yunan province of China. 80 soldiers each from India and China attended this five-day long joint exercise on anti-terrorist operations. The Indian Air Force carried out Joint exercises with the Air Forces of France and Russia. Indian Navy carried out joint exercises with the Navies of USA, Russia, Japan, Oman, Australia, France, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore

    FIRST BATCH OF AJT

    The first batch of Two Hawk Mk 132 Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) aircraft from UK reached India on 12 Nov 07. The Hawk trainers will impart stage-III training to the newly commissioned fighter pilots of the IAF at Bidar in Karnataka from June, next.

    FRIGATES FROM RUSSIA

    A contract for the acquisition of three follow-on stealth frigates of P1135.6 class has been concluded with Russia on Jul 14, 2006, with the planned delivery of the first ship scheduled in Apr 2011. All three ships are being built at Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad. The three follow-on frigates would be fitted with indigenous BrahMos missile system instead of the earlier Club-N missile system

    ADVENTURE ACTIVITIES

    Indian Army conducted expeditions to Mount Everest, Cycle rally from Leh to Kanyakumari, Motorcycle rally from Imphal to Siachen and Car rally from India to Myanmar. The Indian Air Force’s microlight aircraft flown by Wg Cdr Rahul Monga and Wg Cdr Anil Kumar arrived at Air Force Station Hindon on 19 Aug 07 creating a ‘New World Record’ of fastest round the world trip. Indian Sail training ship INS Tarangini had set sail on Jan 10, 2007, for a ten-month odyssey, named ‘Lokayan 07’. The voyage took the ship to 23 ports spread over 16 countries. The ship entered Kochi on completion of the voyage on Oct 29, 2007.

    RELIEF MATERIAL TO BANGLADESH

    Cargo aircraft of Indian Air Force and 4 Amphibious ships of Indian Navy carried food and relief materials for the cyclone affected people of Bangladesh during November and December 2007.

    JOINT DEVELOPMENT OF FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER AIRCRAFT

    India and Russia signed a landmark Intergovernmental Agreement for the joint development and joint production of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), marking the beginning of cooperation in the development of state of the art new technology major weapon systems. The agreement was signed by the Secretary Defence Production Mr KP Singh and Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Foreign Military Cooperation Mr. Vyacheslav Dzirkaln in the presence of the Defence Minister Mr. AK Antony and his Russian counterpart Mr. Anatoly Serdyukov in Moscow. The watershed agreement was signed at the conclusion of the Seventh Meeting of the India- Russia Intergovernmental Commission for Military and Technical Cooperation.

    FIRST MEETING OF INDO-GERMAN HIGH DEFENCE COMMITTEE

    India and Germany have agreed to increase defence cooperation in a number of areas including exchange of expertise in peace-keeping operations, disaster management, etc. In the first Indo-German High Defence Committee meeting held in New Delhi, the Federal State Secretary for Defence of Germany Dr. Peter Eickenboom assured India to provide transfer of technology in armament procurement and joint development of armament platforms wherever possible. Germany has also assured India that it will be an open and reliable partner in all areas of defence cooperation.

    INDO-FRENCH HIGH COMMITTEE ON DEFENCE COOPERATION

    The 10th Meeting of Indo – French High Committee on Defence Cooperation (HCC) was held in New Delhi. The Defence Secretary Shri Vijay Singh and Mr. Thierry Borja de Mozota, Ministerial Representative of the French Defence Minister, headed the respective delegations at the two-day talks. Three sub-committees also met on the sidelines of the HCC. The Sub-Committee on Military Cooperation charted a plan for service to service cooperation activities during the forthcoming year while the Sub-Committee on Strategic Issues discussed matters of mutual strategic interests. The Sub- Committee on Defence Industry Procurement and Research & Technology discussed matters of Transfer of Technology, joint development, production and research.

    PROCUREMENT OF 126 MEDIUM MULTI-ROLE COMBAT AIRCRAFT

    The Request for Proposal (RFP) for the procurement of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) at an estimated cost of Rs. 42,000 crores for the Indian Air Force was issued to six vendors – Russia’s MIG-35(RAC MiG); Swedish JAS-39 (Gripen);Dassault Rafale (France); American F-16 Falcon (Lockheed Martin); Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon (Made by a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian firms). The 211-page document deals with various issues relating to initial purchase, transfer of technology, licensed production and life-time maintenance support for the aircraft.

    ARMED FORCES TRIBUNAL

    Both Houses of Parliament passed the Armed Forces Tribunal Bill. It had taken long years’ of painstaking efforts to get legislative approval for this Bill. The establishment of Armed Forces Tribunal will go a long way in providing speedy justice to thousands of serving and retired Armed Forces personnel.

    in reply to: Indian Missile news and speculations #1790086
    Rajan
    Participant

    What range, and capable against what penaids, capable of engaging how many warheads?

    no, i am not chief scientist of the indian md programme!! 😉 that informations are not available to the public untill now. I only read in a news quoting Dr. Saraswat that they will develop bmd to intercept ICBM and MIRV in phase-II. thats all…

    in reply to: Indian Missile news and speculations #1790315
    Rajan
    Participant

    phase-II

    in phase-II DRDO will develop BMD against ICBM as stated by Dr. Saraswat. 😀

    in reply to: IAF news-discussion October-December 2007 #2538234
    Rajan
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    in reply to: Indian Missile news and speculations #1790950
    Rajan
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    AAD info and news

    Missile test: scientists ecstatic

    Y. Mallikarjun and T.S. Subramanian

    Wheeler Island (Orissa): Thursday’s successful testing of a hypersonic interceptor missile by India has made scientists jubilant.

    A deafening applause broke out in the Mission Control Centre (MCC) on Wheeler Island as top Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) scientists watched the grand finale.

    Amidst joyous scenes, they lifted V.K. Saraswat, Mission Director and Chief Controller, DRDO R&D, (Missiles and Strategic Systems) and kept chanting “DRDO Zindabad.”

    The endo-atmospheric interception test was conducted as part of the DRDO’s plans to build a two-tiered Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) shield to protect the country’s vulnerable areas against incoming enemy missiles.

    On November 27, 2006, a target missile was intercepted at an altitude of 50 km in exo-atmosphere. It was also in a direct hit.

    ‘Confirms capability’

    Dr. Saraswat told The Hindu: “The successful interception certainly confirms the capability of India to defend itself against incoming ballistic missiles. We can assure the nation today that the DRDO has the technology to develop a potent missile shield for the country .”

    M. Natarajan, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister, called the mission a “great success.”

    http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/07/stories/2007120761231800.htm

    Interceptor missile scores ‘direct hit’

    Y. Mallikarjun and T.S. Subramanian

    Future missiles will be equipped with technologies to achieve “near zero missed distance”

    V.K. Saraswat

    Wheeler Island: Elated by the success of the interceptor missile test on Thursday from Wheeler Island, off Orissa, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is planning to take on “harder challenges” of engaging Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBMs) as part of its Area Defence programme.

    In an interview to The Hindu after the interceptor missile, called the Advanced Air Defence (AAD-02), scored a “direct hit” and destroyed a target missile over the Bay of Bengal, V.K. Saraswat, Chief Controller, DRDO R&D (Missiles and Strategic Systems), said future missiles would be equipped with technologies to achieve “near zero missed distance” (four to six metres).

    Future plans

    In April next, the DRDO would launch two interceptor missiles to intercept a single incoming target missile in both exo-atmosphere (above 40 km altitude) and endo-atmosphere (below 30 km altitude). However, there would be no endo-atmospheric interception if the exo-atmospheric test achieved a kill.

    Good accuracy

    According to Dr. Saraswat, the AAD-02 was capable of intercepting M-9 and M-11 class of missiles “which are with our adversaries.”

    The AAD-02 was slightly better than the PAC-3 (Patriot Advanced Capability) of the U.S. in terms of range and altitude. The direct hit compared very well with the PAC-3 in terms of accuracy.

    Avinash Chander, Director, Advanced Systems’ Laboratory (ASL), Hyderabad, said, “I don’t think any country [other than India] was able to achieve a direct-hit in the first attempt” in endo-atmosphere.

    “The interceptor crossed the target missile at the correct point. The target missile went into fragments thereafter.”

    The ASL, a DRDL unit, had contributed significantly to the mission.

    The AAD-02 was specifically designed and developed by the DRDO for endo-atmospheric interception of an incoming missile at an altitude of around 15 km. It is a single-stage missile powered by solid propellants. It is 7.5 metres tall and weighs around 1.2 tonnes. It had a diameter of less than 0.5 metres.

    M. Natarajan, Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, who watched the two lift-offs and the interception live on a video-screen at DRDO Bhawan in New Delhi, likened the interception to “almost hitting a bullet with a bullet.”

    The mission’s success had boosted the confidence of the DRDO scientists in networking an array of radars, optics, command, control and communication systems to track an incoming missile in real time, validate all the software computation and send the command to the seeker to home in on the target, he said.

    The mission “signified the DRDO’s capability to network massive software with hardware actuation,” he added.

    Totally new missile

    Mr. Natarajan called the interceptor “a totally new missile,” which had “a massive software integration and high manoeuvring capability.”

    The centrepiece of the interceptor was its seeker, a radio frequency device that passed on information on the position, velocity and direction of the target missile to the AAD-02.

    The target missile is a modified single-stage Prithvi missile, fuelled by liquid propellants. It is 11 metres tall and weighs five tonnes. Its diameter is one metre. :confused: (new version of Prithvi?)

    On Thursday, the Army launched the target missile from Chandipur-on-Sea, Orissa, in an independent manner. The Mission Director for the target missile was Lt. Gen. (retired) V.J. Sundaram.

    http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/07/stories/2007120761241800.htm

    DRDO eyes launch of integrated air defence system

    Special Correspondent

    It will have features to double up as a tactical missile

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    Interceptor missile system home grown: Saraswat

    Programme to indigenise radars to put in place a standalone approach

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    HYDERABAD: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is planning a demonstration of integrated air defence system in exo-atmosphere (above 40 km altitude) and endo-atmosphere (below 30 km) before June next year.

    This follows the successful test-fire of an interceptor missile from the Wheeler Island on Thursday.

    Target aircraft

    The system will also have built-in features to double up as a tactical missile apart from functioning as an extended air defence system to engage target aircraft beyond 100 km, said Chief Controller, DRDO R&D (Missiles and Strategic Systems), V.K. Saraswat, and directors of the missiles complex at a news conference on Saturday.

    The team made a video presentation of the lift-off of ‘AAD-02’ (Advanced Air Defence), the interceptor missile, and its homing in on target missile ‘TGT-04’ with the help of radars at Konark and Paradip.

    The AAD-02 weighed 1.2 tonnes and the TGT-04 4.5 tonnes, Dr. Saraswat said.

    He added that the entire interceptor missile system was home grown except the radars acquired from Israel and France.

    The country had also embarked on a programme to indigenise radars to put in place a standalone approach.

    Latest project

    Dr. Saraswat said the motivation for the latest project was the acquisition of ballistic missiles by other countries.

    Thursday’s demonstration showed India’s capability to defend itself against 2,000-km range missile systems.

    Answering a question on the possibility of India expanding its ballistic missile technology system, Dr. Saraswat said it was a continuous game based on proliferation programmes between countries in the region.

    Rs.2,000 crore spent

    India had spent Rs.2,000 crore on its activity in the last seven years while the U.S. has been spending $2 billion each year since the 1980s.

    With the latest successful launch, India joins the exclusive club of the United States, Russia, France and Israel in having such an effective air defence system.

    The Defence Research and Development Organisation planned a few more trials in the coming years.

    http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/09/stories/2007120953741100.htm

    in reply to: Indian Missile news and speculations #1791383
    Rajan
    Participant

    AAD

    India on way to joining exclusive BMD club

    26 Nov 2007, 0243 hrs IST,Rajat Pandit,TNN

    NEW DELHI: In the first week of December, the country plans to unleash a new “interceptor” missile to “kill” an incoming “hostile” missile over the Bay of Bengal.

    During the test, a Prithvi missile, modified to “mimic” a hostile ballistic missile with a 300-1,000 km range, will first be fired from the Balasore interim test range in Orissa.

    The incoming missile will then be tracked by long-range tracking radars (LRTRs), developed with Israeli help and is a part of the automated command and control network. LRTRs in turn will convey the “threat” to the “endo” (taking the “enemy” missile at an 15-20 km altitude above the earth) missile battery in far away Wheeler Island.

    Finally, the interceptor missile will blast off with a roar to eventually destroy the “enemy” missile in fireworks over the Bay of Bengal. The new “endo” missile has been dubbed AAD (advanced air defence), while the “exo” missile was called PAD (Prithvi air defence).

    “The endgame this time will be technologically more complex than the exo test because of atmospheric disturbances and other factors. AAD, in fact, will be slightly better than PAC-3 in terms of range and altitude of interception,” said DRDO chief controller, R&D, V K Saraswat. In the next phase, defence scientists plan to test PAD and AAD together in an integrated mode. But before you think that India now finally has some sort of a missile defence shield to guard against Pakistani and Chinese nuclear-capable missiles, hold your breath. Such a capability is still several years away.

    For one, BMD capabilities are very complex. For another, they require huge investments. Given its size, India would require a large overlapping network of early-warning sensors, command posts and anti-missile land and sea-based missile batteries.

    A missile launched from Pakistan, after all, can reach India in barely 5 to 7 minutes. But yes, it can be said India is now finally on its way to join the US, Russia and Israel in the very exclusive BMD club.

    “The system will have to be tested for a variety of flight envelopes. We will have to undertake 5-6 trials over the next 2-3 years to validate the complete spectrum of engagement. Only after that can the production and operationalization phase commence,” said Saraswat. The 10-metre tall PAD missile was designed by taking Prithvi’s propulsion system and adding a second stage to it to ensure it goes up to a height of about 80 km.

    The 7-metre tall AAD interceptor, in turn, is a new single-stage missile, powered by solid propellant, with terminal homing seekers and inertial navigation system. It will be able to reach an altitude of almost 30 km.

    Interestingly, the crucial LRTRs used in the tests are based on the two Israeli Green Pine early-warning and fire control radars imported by India in 2001-2002.

    “But we have upgraded LRTR, which is 30-40% better in target classification and identification. It can prioritize the incoming threats and track 200 targets simultaneously,” said Saraswat.

    LRTR has a detection range of 600 km and is capable of tracking intermediate range ballistic missiles, with velocities up to 5,000 metre per second. Incidentally, a ballistic missile can be targeted at all the three points in its parabolic trajectory — boost or launch phase, mid-course in space or terminal phase during atmospheric descent.

    DRDO, on its part, has designed the BMD system, which will be upgraded in the coming years, to intercept an incoming missile at both the “second mid-course and terminal phases”.

    [email]rajat.pandit@timesgroup.com[/email]

    Times of India

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2546487
    Rajan
    Participant

    1. The $40 bn was the price of getting the Raptor from YF 22 up to the operational F22 in Dec. 2005. It has nothing to do with YF 23.
    2. OK, let’s say $20 bn.
    3. is there any trace of stealth in the fighters you mentioned?
    4. Is this the total cost of the program (including logistic, spares, training, service, etc.) price, or just flyaway price?

    1. $ I think total development cost of Raptor is $40bn. And Russia already spent huge amount of money for Berkut and MFI, they were supposed to be tech demo for fifth gen fighter.

    3. We know about plasma stealth, thats the news published in arms-tass quoting a Russian scientists about it. And as far as I know about Russian aviation industry they are enough capable to develop stealth technologies for fighter aircraft when they have started work from early 90s.

    4. India always signed a military deal including ‘total cost’, specially aircrafts example C-130J, MMA, MRCA etc.

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2546498
    Rajan
    Participant

    Rajan, all the above combat jets were developed using 1 baseline fighter model only, i.e. the Su-27 Flanker. This may explain their relatively shorter development times. However, the US F-22 and JSF do not have any precedents, and thus took longer development timeframes.

    It may also be noted that the Su-27 made its first flight in the 1970s.

    Yeah i know that they r developed using a baseline fighter, the SU-27 Flanker, but the technologies of 3D TVC (Mig-35), Flight Control System for super maneuverability(SU-47, MIG-35, SU-30MKI), Irbis-E radar, Zhuk-AE radar, Bars radar, stealth (plasma, RAM) were developed to upgrade these base line fighters to SU-35,SU-30MKI,MIG-35,SU-47,MFI are lost??? They are not introduce Russia to fifth generation technologies? Even Europe stands in the last bench in this regard, while they are yet to develop TVC, AESA technologies.

    The above are prices of 1996, and if I’m not mistaken, are exclusive of Indian additions like Indian, French and Israeli avionic systems. Owing to inflation, presently this price should have increased by many billions of dollars. In this year itself, India agreed to purchase an additional 40 Su-30 MKI planes subject to an annual price increase of 5%.

    No the price of 90s is some what $36 mn currently after re-neg it will be around $45mn i guess.

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2546509
    Rajan
    Participant

    This deal is pretty specific for several reasons.

    First, it includes unusually high number of aircraft of this class which forces the prices down.
    Second, it includes licensed production (actually HAL-assembled MKIs are/were cheaper than those from Irkutsk)
    Third, the MKI is a specialized version built according unique requirements of the future user.

    I think, with these numbers Boeing would be able to deliver a strike-version of the F-15 at some $75-80mil a piece, but definitely not in an unique customer-oriented configuration (which involves quite large development and integration cost). Anything like that would dangerously approach or cross a $100mil mark.

    I’m also want to say that, an F-22 type fighter with full stealth, advanced EW systems, radar and ‘super’ weapons will cost at least three times more to develop/produce by Lockheed Martin than HAL/Sukhoi. And what ever you said about mass production and specialized version, all are also same for IAF version of PAK FA.

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2547441
    Rajan
    Participant

    They would have to spend ~ $ 40 billion (at the value of $ in the ’80s and ’90s, not at todays value) if they want a better plane…

    $40 bn!!!

    1. US is famous for wasting money for one project developing many types of proto vehicles. Like YF-23.

    2. In US R&D costs manytimes more than that of Russia and India. Because of both labor and raw material price in domestic market.

    3. Russia already developed and pioneered many technologies like advanced weapon systems, super maneuverable FCS, TVC and stealth etc from SU-47, MiG MFI, SU-30 MKI, MIG-35, SU-35.

    4. Russia sold India SU-30 MKI for about $ 40-45 mn a piece which is a dual seater, twin engine long range heavy fighter with PESA radar and TVC. Is it possible for US to sell same type of fighter at that price??

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2552950
    Rajan
    Participant

    really, India had make advances in their aerospace industry, maybe not as advanced like China, anyway all this “joint development” was always been a sales strategy

    😮

    when its comes to India its “sales strategy”. but still Russia choosed India as a partner for PAK FA development and many other projects like MTA, GLONASS etc.

    why did u came to that conlcusion? both countries need foreign support for their aviation industries. What china did better than India? :rolleyes:

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