This was Mr. Shukla’s answer to my query….
“A platform’s real RCS is seldom revealed. The figure that I have is from an MoD source, who has, in turn, heard it from a Sukhoi designer at KnAAPO. I would not bet my life that the figure is entirely accurate.”
R.I.P.
RCS ~0.5m^2? That doesn’t sound right…
I was thinking same. It must be lower or may be the officials intentionally did it. 😉
Key notes…
*Initially both the RuAF (almost all are single-seat with some twin-seat as trainer) and IAF (50 single-seat followed by 200 twin-seat) will buy 250 ac each. With options to buy more.
*HAL and UAC will be equal partners in a joint venture company, much like the Brahmos JV, that will develop and manufacture the FGFA.
*Overall development cost is $ 8 to 10 billion
*Each ac will cost around $ 86 to 100 million
*RCS ~0.5 m2 😮
*A key strength of the FGFA would be multi-sensor data fusion
India, Russia close to PACT on next generation fighter
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi January 05, 2010, 0:38 IST
Late last year, a defence ministry delegation to Sukhoi’s flagship aircraft facility in Siberia became the first Indians to set eyes upon the next-generation fighter that is slated to form the backbone of the future Indian Air Force (IAF). In that first meeting, carefully choreographed by Sukhoi, the new fighter, standing on the tarmac waved a welcome to the Indians, moving all its control fins simultaneously. The effect, recounts one member of that delegation, was electric. The senior IAF officer there walked silently up to the aircraft and touched it almost incredulously. 😀
This might explain that Pakistan and China have treaty that kind of protects eachother.
>>>Pakistan-China sign agreement strengthening military-to-military cooperation
That shows the reality. Pakistan and China were friends for quite long time but for the first time we are hearing about such an agreement. This is the result of feeling insecure. That ‘protecting each other’ clause made by you is somewhat funny! Pakistan helping China with what? 😮
The don’t have a ‘treaty’ yet but an agreement to support each other. Treaty is called what India had with Bhutan or Nepal.
In a joint statement issued at end of the President’s visit, China reaffirmed its respect for Pakistan’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity.
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No, they are not. If you have such a strong dislike for a poster like Rimmer, you might consider putting him on ‘Ignore’. If you don’t, you are just as guilty of polluting the very threads you’re active in.
I was ignoring him but still he was replying to some of my posts just for trolling! But thank you very much for clarification. Got it. 🙂
Vikas,
This rule applies to every strategic relationship. Don’t you think? Sure Pak-China friendship is very much India centric. But then most (if not all) strategic partnerships are based on mutual interests. There is no such term as ‘pure friendship’ in international relations.
I mean that weapons should be in Pakistan’s inventory not China’s. If they depend on China for wartime supply that any thing is possible. Remember that Pakistan had a bad time wrt supply of weapons.
DovinR,
Before IN carriers go near pakistan, IAF would have sanitized any ariel threat and established air superiority. Frankly, when all three arms of your military is at a disadvantage, there is very little you can do to avoid the inevitable.
Pakistan’s military choices today are all about buying time until international efforts bring a cease fire – with nukes as a backup against a brutal all out assault that can overrun it in about 2 weeks.
I think carriers don’t just have a force projection capability but also a good chance to take a naval fleet from long distances. They (fighters ac from the carrier) can encircle a fleet followed by launch of multiple AShM. :dev2:
IMO, indian military planning has evolved beyond conventional wars with Pakistan. India knows that Pakistan knows a full blown conventional war with india will very quickly end with large parts of pakistan in indian hands and perhaps pakistan broken into 3-4 pieces. However use of terrorists continues to be a ‘viable’ option for pakistan. Indian civil society will not allow use of similar tactics to respond and indian conventional superiority is deterred by pakistani nukes. Thus in case of pakistan indian military planning is focussed on anti-terrorist equipment to locate and eliminate crossings, suppress pakistani supporting fire at the border, commando protection for cities and vital installations etc.
Major conventional military planning by india is now almost entirely focussed on China. Here the situation is reversed, where while china is deterred by indian nukes from a major invasion, they can (if they wish) carry out minor operations at the borders with the indian ability to respond limited to defence and damage control. Basically any quick attack by China will end with Chinese being able to declare peace and hold on to territory that india won’t be able to dislodge them from.
This is what india is trying to solve with military upgrades.
Matching China has an added advantage of also taking care of pakistan as most pakistani equipment these days are chinese and less capable than what chinese themselves use.
It is IMHO, meaningless to talk about Pakistani military equipment as a factor that influences indian choices. 20 years ago, may be. Not any more.
However, Pakistan’s self proclaimed enmity does offer a convenient excuse for India to avoid naming others as enemies while making major military expenses.
Good explanation.
Until Kargil war India had nothing special that will give them edge over Pakistan (except numerical advantage and BVRAAM) and China (aircraft carrier). But the situation quite changed now. Now not just modernizing conventional forces, India is working on cutting edge defence technologies. Thanks to Russia, Israel, USA and France now India have or going to have some of the best conventional weapons in the world.
India is working more and more to decrease collateral damage and a swift war. All the defence projects, deterrence and doctrines are are following that. There could be a sudden war against India where nuclear weapons can be used without understanding it’s climax, we should be prepared for that.
Is the IAF’s Su-30MKI N-capable?
Yes. Mirages and Jags as well.
Excellent pic! Thanks.
80 nukes cannot destroy India..not even 200 nukes can destroy India or even most of it. 200 nukes cannot even destroy Pakistan and India is much bigger. The power of nukes have been completely overblown here. Take some time and read this.Good articles on what nukes can and cannot do.
http://homepage.mac.com/msb/163x/faqs/nuclear_warfare_101.html
http://homepage.mac.com/msb/163x/faqs/nuclear_warfare_102.html
http://homepage.mac.com/msb/163x/faqs/nuclear_warfare_103.html
There will be no nuke attack on India! 🙂 We are prepared for Pakistan and now we are preparing for China. A nuke attack will defended with BMD and later as per our nuclear doctrine the attacking country will be destroyed with unacceptable damage. The tests were very much realistic and will mature more over the years.
We were successful with BMD and now working on ASAT. ASAT is much easier than BMD though.
But I don’t know why they don’t keep such project! ISRO and DRDO were working to protect satellites, now DRDO working on ASAT weapons. Most possible ISRO is helping them. If it become public than it will be a pressure on civilian space agency.
India readying weapon to destroy enemy satellites: DRDO
Story Dated: Sunday, January 3, 2010 16:36 hrs IST

Dr. V. K. Saraswat, DRDO chief
Thiruvananthapuram: Indian defence scientists are readying a weapons system to neutralise enemy satellites operating in low-earth orbit, a top defence scientist said here on Sunday.
“India is putting together building blocks of technology that could be used to neutralise enemy satellites,” Defence Research and Development Organisation Director General V K Saraswat told reporters on the sidelines of the 97th Indian Science Congress.
However, he added that the defence scientists have not planned any tests but have started planning such technology which could be used to leapfrog to build a weapon in case the country needed it. Saraswat, who is also the Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister, said the scientists were planning to build the weapon which would have the capacity to hit and destroy satellites in low-earth orbit and polar orbit.
Usually, satellites in such orbits are used for network centric warfare and neutralising such spacecraft would deny enemy access to its space assets.
“We are working to ensure space security and protect our satellites. At the same time we are also working on how to deny the enemy access to its space assets,” he said. To achieve such capabilities, a kill vehicle needs to be developed and that process is being carried out under the Ballistic Missile Defence programme. :diablo:
“Basically, these are deterrence technologies and quite certainly many of these technologies will not be used. I hope they are not used,” Saraswat said. In January 2007, China had demonstrated its capability to destroy satellites by conducting an anti-satellite test. It had launched a missile that blew to smithereens an ageing weather satellite Fengyun 1C orbiting at a distance of 500 miles away from the earth.
Saraswat said the DRDO is building an advanced version of its interceptor missile with a range of 120-140 km. The missile interceptor is expected to be test fired in September.
Space security is going to be a major issue in the future and India should not be left behind in this area, the defence scientist said.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/India-readying-weapon-to-destroy-enemy-satellites–Saraswat/562776
DRDO builds technology blocks to kill enemy satellites
Special Correspondent
Thiruvananthapuram, January 3, 2010
DRDO Chief V.K. Saraswat announced at the 97th Science Congress that India was developing a weapon that can destroy enemy satellites in low-earth orbit and polar orbit, denying enemy access to India’s space assets.
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is building the technology blocks needed to “neutralise” hostile satellites in low earth and polar orbits, according to V.K. Saraswat, DRDO Director-General and Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister.
These blocks are the kill vehicle that will bring down the adversarial satellites, long-range radars, communication systems, laser-based systems and imaging infra-red seekers which will give a complete picture of the satellite. They will be generated as part of the DRDO’s Ballistic Missile Defence Programme, which will reach “maturity in totality” in 2014, Dr. Saraswat said. He was addressing a press conference here on Sunday.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article74889.ece
lol Its already on the place…… 🙂
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/03/content_12749170.htm
Trails of T-50

http://www.mignews.com/news/politic/cis/030110_114101_64141.html
(Translated)
Tests of the prototype of Russia’s fighter of the fifth generation “T-50 being developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, will begin later this month, the number of western sites devoted to the novelties of aviation technology.
T-50 should become Russia’s answer to American superistrebitelyu F-22.
T-50, also known by the acronym PAK FA, is being developed on the base of DB in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in conjunction with India’s HAL, which hopes to replace the existing fleet of the Indian Mig-29 on T-50.
Especially since everyone can see on this forum that the two countries’ supporters behave completely identical :diablo:
You must watch the situation before ‘Rimmer’ and after ‘Rimmer’. If one starts trolling about a particular nation than others are forced to reply them.
Dr. Saraswat said that in between 5 to 80 km altitude India can launch four interceptors for every single target with PAD and AAD. This will lead to 99% probability of hitting a target. As for MIRV, India is developing multiple kill vehicle missile named AD-2 which will be able to destroy target missile upto 250 km altitude along with AD-1. Both AD-1 and AD-2 are new missiles under development. But current PAD and AAD are enough for Pakistan’s current inventories.
Theory is great aint it!? :p
Troll alert!
Mod please look into this. Unnecessary, unrelated!
The hit probability will be higher than that if it is concentrated on high value assets. Pakistan has not yet demonstrated MIRV capability so the chance of successful intercepts are quite high.
Dr. Saraswat said that in between 5 to 80 km altitude India can launch four interceptors for every single target with PAD and AAD. This will lead to 99% probability of hitting a target. As for MIRV, India is developing multiple kill vehicle missile named AD-2 which will be able to destroy target missile upto 250 km altitude along with AD-1. Both AD-1 and AD-2 are new missiles under development. But current PAD and AAD are enough for Pakistan’s current inventories.
Hello S-400 :), Bye-bye Pakitan :diablo: (:p)
It will cover half of the country. 😎
But seriously, I doubt the Ruskies would sell the full-on Russian S-400 version to the Saudis. It’ll probably be that Almaz-Antey/Thales/S.Korean jv version.
I guess they already finalized a deal! :confused:
…but with India- being best buddies & all…:)
😀
India should consider S-400 as ultra long range SAM.
no one thinks so. however, the fact that an ABM has a certain percentage probability of kill means that it introduces an element of doubt in the minds of those that launch the BMs in the first place AND it will succeed in neutralising a few of those nukes at least. used around strategic installations and cities, it gives India the time and chance to retaliate in a manner that would annihilate the nation that launched BMs with nukes against it.
if ABMs were of no use then the Russians would’nt be so worried and angry when the US installs ABM systems in Eastern Europe. just because Pakistan cannot develop this system (since NoKo and China don’t have it as yet, so no “indigenous” development possible) doesn’t mean that it isn’t a useful system.
In addition to that, early ABM times are gone. Now ABM got major push with the invention of high speed computers and radar technologies. Note the results of Patriot in GW-I wrt GW-II. Above all Pakistan have less number missiles. Multilayer interceptors against single BM/CM will certainly destroy the target.
But I was talking about S-400 as an air defence system! 🙂