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  • in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425454
    Rajan
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    Considering Rimmer has 117 posts inside of a month, mostly in the last Paskistan Air Force thread, you can guess whom the mods will pick to give a vacation. Please, Rimmer, give the forum a rest for a week and then try to rejoin within the intended spirit of the forum.

    Actually he/she not only buried good discussions going on in other threads but also brought a lot of unrelated things to the IAF thread that never happened to this forum for last six years at least!

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425456
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    O ofcoarse — so tell me — if indeed Iaf can take control of the skies in few hours — and there will be no MAD —- prey why does india spend billions to bring its army to the border and then go home again without firing a shot???

    Reality bites! Mind diverted? 😀 For same reason US did not attacked you after 9/11. But they indeed started a proxy war. I think they got lessons from 1971!

    We are all well aware of the India’s mighty ‘indigenous’ efforts and quaking in our boots. Anything DRDO touches either crashes or fails or both.

    Indigenous mean Indian, it fails or works! There is no country whose missiles or aircrafts didn’t crashed/failed at least once, except one!! Pakistan! 😉

    As I’ve told you before – AESA equiped FC-20 will be sufficent detterent.

    lol Its does not exist! Above all there is no mention of PAF buying J-10 with AESA.

    Whats wrong – don’t know how to Google? Tell me what reason did you find for re-designed nose on J10B — let me guess – you think they did it to make it look more sporty!! I notice you’ve finaly stopped bringing up the other source I gave – Paf cheif interviews confirming FC-20 in 2014-15 with AESA? So happy to help.

    So you could not find a credible source? I think thats it. 🙂

    Rajan
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    This image is from AERO INDIA 2009….

    It says, ‘AESA radar for Light Combat Aircraft.‘ This is probably from a European company Now which radar it is? CAESAR? NORA/Vixen?

    Credit: yaswanth, BR
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/35321-1/IMG_1074.JPG

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425620
    Rajan
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    Safe to say you just drove past the point of my post without seeing it!!

    What do you think about AH-1Z’s capability over current refurbished Cobra used by Pakistan in ‘war on terror’? Pakistan wants 20 Super Cobra to fight terror via Foreign Military Financing!

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425624
    Rajan
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    None of them are game changers and the next generation of most of these are available to India if she chooses to buy them. India will always be able to buy better.

    Don’t be ridiculous! Most of these are rejected by India. Like F-16 Block 50/52 for F-16IN, P-3C for P-8I and rest of the thing are past for India. India is working on her own JDAM as well. Above all these things India getting is not via War on Terror aid so there are option to buy better one, like Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow is participating in a competition floated by the IAF.

    Rajan
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    This is the second part of the series of explaining various aspects about Tejas.

    The Idiot’s guide to Tejas 102.

    :D:D

    Good one. We should stick this as the first post for every new IAF thread. 😎

    Rajan
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    Does anyone know when the LSP-3 will fly?

    It will fly by March/April. It has radar and other sensors.

    Rajan
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    2009 was over all better for Indian military……. specially Navy…..

    http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=56489

    Rajan
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    They are still setting up JV for IRTA?

    India, Russia setting up USD 600 million aircraft JV

    STAFF WRITER 13:12 HRS IST

    Vinay Shukla

    Moscow, Dec 29 (PTI) India and Russia are to invest USD 600 million to set up a joint venture (JV) to produce a medium lift transport aircraft for their armed forces.

    While Bangalore based state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will fork out USD 300 million, Russia’s United Aircraft Cooperation (UAC) will invest a similar amount for the joint venture which will start rolling out the aircraft by 2017.

    Voice of Russia radio said the joint venture coming up with fifty-fifty equity would develop the aircraft at Aviastar-SP plant based in Ulyanovsk city on Volga.

    The Indian Air Force is expected to order at least 35 and Russian Air Force as many as 100 medium lift transport aircraft.

    In its basic configuration the new transport aircraft will have a payload capacity of 18.

    http://www.ptinews.com/news/444238_India–Russia-setting-up-USD-600-million-aircraft-JV

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425653
    Rajan
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    As for there being nothing like J10 with AESA — as I told you before – please come out of the darkness. Even basic aviation magazines have featured internet sourced J10B pictures and said that the nose looks to have been redesigned to house AESA. Tell you what – google ‘J10B AESA’ and see what results you get — lets see if your views change after that little exercise. Good Luck.

    So why don’t you post one credible source/link?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425654
    Rajan
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    150 odd MKI along with MRCA, LCA and future FGFA to deter against J-10, MKK and J-XX? Thats pretty close. But the scene on India’s western border will not be same. I think Both India and China is integrating thier multiple resources to make a modern air force with network centric capabilities, next generation missiles, electronic warfare and space based assets for various purposes, now Pakistan lacks most of them. Above all they just recently got a BVRAAM missile!

    Rajan, while I do agree that IAF had managed to creat a major qualitative gap between itself & PAF for a number of reasons, much of that gap would be bridged with induction of many new capabilities into PAF within next 2-3 year. Of course more additions into IAF would increase that gap once more, and we have to wait and see as to what PAF’s response would be. But discussing such things would mean getting into hypotheticals.

    First thanks for the good reply.

    The new gap created the IAF is indigenous and no country gives any other such capabilities, like complete net centric warfare, own GPS, anti-missile systems, hypersonic missile, array of electro-optical and radar satellites etc etc… What will be PAF’s answer to these?

    Now take a look at the aims of two airforces’ during a conflict. From what I know, PAF would largely want to deny the enemy the use of its own airspace and provide CAS to its own forces when/where required. In other words PAF would be a defensive force, although (logically speaking) it would try offensive strikes as well as part of its defensive strategy. In comparison, IAF’s aims are rather clear from India’s ‘Cold Start’ doctorine. IAF has to achieve air superiority over the skies of Pakistan very quickly (probably 48 or so hours) if IBGs want to succeed in achieving their objectives. Considering the fact that Indian generals are assuming (as the recent articles show) that China would become involved in a conflict, what do you think are the chances of IAF achieving complete air superiority over PAF so quickly? And especially when one of the nuclear threshold for Pakistan is that a large part of its AF is destroyed? And IAF is unlikely to achieve air superiority without destroying a major part of PAF.

    Rite.

    PS. Please note that I was talking about a conflict here and not mere surgical strikes or so carried out by IAF. I personally do not believe in the feasibility of surgical strikes or a minor conflict alone…in my opinion any such thing would quickly evolve into a major conflict between these two nations.

    Correct.

    I dont deny the existence of the qualitative gap. But I dont think its big enough for IAF to achieve all its objectives. In my opinion a 400+ force of JF-17/F-16/FC-20 equipped with BVRAAM and backed with refuellers/AEW&C and a decent radard/SAM network is good enough to form a min credible detterance against 500+ IAF machines over next decades. Could IAF with this force level achieve air superiority over PAF? Yes…in my opinion. But the price would be high, and that is the whole point of min credible detterance.

    Thats why I mentioned about EFT, Rafale, Su-30MK or F-18E/F. Instead of 36 J-10 if PAF could manage to buy 20 EFT or Rafale that could have been much better detterence against the IAF.

    Regarding netcentric warfare capabilities, PAF has been working on this for a number of years, and have managed to made good progress.

    I will very eager to know some more details from any link/source. 🙂 NCW needs lots of resources. Example…

    http://www.isode.com/images/network-centric-warfare-b.png

    http://www.chips.navy.mil/archives/02_summer/images/Pyramid-Apex.gif

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2425660
    Rajan
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    >>>IAF aims for complete control of the skies.

    At the moment that is something surely not achieved.

    At this moment Pakistan don’t have a good BVRAAM, a few number of 4th generation fighters and some negligible SAM! It will take few hours for IAF to take control of the sky.

    And even it would then there is the MAD scenario which India never will stop. I think history showed that India could not win airsuperioruty in the past. PAF showed etremely good results againt an India with more quantity and quality. And I doubt that it will be worser for Pakistan with the improving power of China. There was a certain problem for PAF when USA dumped is (unreliable ally that needed only Pakistan to stop Russians in Afghanistan) and China could only deliver less quality planes. With de superiority China is gaining it will lift Pakistan and its industry. Something India can not achieve that fast. Sofar only the MKI is something new (but within years there are better alternatives for Pakistan like the FC20) and I doubt that it can do even something like the “punitive” actions or the large scale cold doctrine and taking China and Pakistan at the same tume. These are surely dreams.

    🙂 lol Why bring nuclear weapons here? There will be no MAD situation in case of India and Pakistan because of these….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5g_XbY34oI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89FuGvP4Ac

    These are well proven technologies.

    in reply to: The Brand New IAF Thread (X) – Flamers NOT Welcome at all #2425920
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    hey, please don’t give me that 2005 business, that is yet another case of ignorant journos pulling out dates from their wazoos. GOI takes an inordinate amount of time to sanction funding, without the money, there is no project.

    for the LCH, this was when funding was sanctioned :
    be warned though, this article was written at a time when ajai shukla couldn’t see anything good with desi projects much like his DDM compatriots today ! what a long way he has come !
    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/ajai-shuklahealing-naturefailure/274493/

    so the LCH was supposed to fly 1 year before the project was sanctioned ? wow ! 😀

    Actually I was talking about AERO INDIA 2003 when HAL presented a mock up of the LCH, though later they have made many modification to that. It was quoted by HAL chief or any other senior officer that LCH will fly by 2005. But its a beauty indeed. 🙂

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2425921
    Rajan
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    It will be chinese.

    J-10/FC-20 might not be sufficient. But it would go a long way in terms of increasing PAF’s capabilities, i.e. maintaing a credible detterance. And that is what PAF wants.

    China recently developed their engine from scratch with FADEC while country like Russia had hard time to develop an engine for their fifth generation fighter. China may develop one but first they have to gain maturity of many systems.

    The other day I came across an article quoting IAF chief that a force of 150 odd MKI would be stationed along India’ North East borders. Is that enough for IAF to gain air superiority over China? I don;t think so. Is that (along with some MMRCA and other squadrons) enough to maintain a detterance/status quo? Yes.

    150 odd MKI along with MRCA, LCA and future FGFA to deter against J-10, MKK and J-XX? Thats pretty close. But the scene on India’s western border will not be same. I think Both India and China is integrating thier multiple resources to make a modern air force with network centric capabilities, next generation missiles, electronic warfare and space based assets for various purposes, now Pakistan lacks most of them. Above all they just recently got a BVRAAM missile!

    PAF would start receiving AMRAAM/F-16 from June/July 2010. They would operationalise their first BVRAAM equipped JF-17 around the same time. They would have aerial refullers & SPADA 2000 by the end of 2010, while Chinese AEW&C would start arriving from 2011 or so. They would have all their Erieyes by the end of 2011. Although there are reports that Pakistan might have purchased FD-2000, and even if not its only a matter of time before Pakistan gets its hands on FD-2000/HQ-9 types. If the current geostrategic situation does not go through some earth shaking changes, Pakistan would be able to concentrate all its assets along its eastern borders. Would that be enough to maintain the status quo. I believe it is possible. And hopefully, both Pakistan and India would use this time to increase their economic cooperation, which would make any war/conflict economically unfeasible for both of them.

    There were so much talks about RMA (Revolution in Military Affairs), now what matters is, the RMA is different for different air forces. PAF is modernizing so as IAF, but how? In which direction?

    PAF will get a good BVRAAM, SPADA 2000, aerial refuelers, and Chinese/Swedish AWACS but those are past for the IAF! They are heading for a new direction. Now they have Indian satellites monitoring every PAF bases, they have long range AEROSTAT to monitor 24×7, every types of radar from man portable low level radars, LLTR, LLLWR, multiple PESA and AESA radars to space based microwave satellites. New SAMs like MRSAM, SPYDER and may be AAD. With in two to three years they will get their own satellite navigation system and full net centric warfare capabilities. They also recently set up an aerospace command. Facing all of these combined with SU-30 MKI, upgraded Mirage-2000 and Mig-29, LCA, MRCA will be difficult for PAF. They need something new. Like Rafale or EFT or SU-35 or F-18E/F…..

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2425939
    Rajan
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    Thanks guys for your posts :

    1) With regard to DRFM : Did some digging on the forum and ans provided by poster Nick previously (Thanks) :

    quote : Digital Radio Frequency Memory. A sort of must have for modern jammers to enable immediate deception jamming (realtime). The memory module records the key parameters of the radar pulse, allowing for the techniques generator (a purpose built DSP/mini computer) to modify the signal appropriately and the jammer “plays it back”, so that the opponent radar is spoofed. Ie it thinks the target is at x+1, when it is at X, is flying at Y, when it is actually at Y+1, etc, to make the radar lose lock, or get an inaccurate fix.

    Also : On the Indian side, DRFM jammers are widely used, namely the Elta 8222 SPJ which has been seen on IAF Su-30K’s, MKI’s, MiG-21 Bisons, Upg Jaguars & the DARE (DRDO) Tusker which is used on the MiG-27 Upg. A Jaguar squadron reportedly received Support Jammers & the DARE equipped MiG-27s are being used for EW, implying that the EW package is more than just self protection. (It is a combination of an internal and external jammer).

    Im unsure as yet whether Erieye will be able to provide active protection for it’s F-16’s

    2) With Regard to restrictions on Use : As of i can remeber India has not signed any end user agreements. Indeed i can’t remember officials having the need to inspect anything. No End user agreements have yet been signed for the P-8I i think.

    Heres what Ajay Shukla has to say :

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2009/07/india-had-signed-two-earlier-end-user.html

    3) On the Kerry Lugar Bill : Quote :

    SEC. 203. LIMITATIONS ON CERTAIN ASSISTANCE.

    (a) Limitation on Security-related Assistance: For fiscal years 2011 through 2014, no security-related assistance may be provided to Pakistan in a fiscal year until the Secretary of State, under the direction of the President, makes the certification required under subsection (c) for such fiscal year.

    (b) Limitation on Arms Transfers: For fiscal years 2012 through 2014, no letter of offer to sell major defence equipment to Pakistan may be issued pursuant to the Arms Export Control Act (22 USC 2751 et seq.) and no license to export major defence equipment to Pakistan may be issued pursuant to such Act in a fiscal year until the Secretary of State, under the direction of the President, makes the certification required under subsection (c) for such fiscal year.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=200156

    4) As for the rest I’m a little suprised Rimmer as to your posts : in the interest of brevity i’ll plainly mention info that you already know :

    1) Refuellers have been in Indian service since 2004 and the IAF has been practicing buddy refuelling from it’s MKI’s for a while before that. Indeed 6 more refuellers are in the pipeline and the RFP has been sent out. Has the edge really moved.

    2) Awacs maintainence : India chose the IL 78 because of fleet commonality with it’s Il 76’s which have been maintained close to 2 decades. I don’t think maintainence will be a real issue. Indeed they all have brand new PS 90 engines. Add to that the 3 DRDO Awacs on Embraer and an additional 3 Phalcons to be ordered. Edge now?

    3) AMRAAM Vs R77 etc. Indian experience with BVRAAM for over a decade. Regular exercises in BVR engagements across various continents.

    That was informative. Thanks for sharing. Kerry Lugar bill have to do anything with PAF F-16 Block-50/52? That is something new for me! :confused:

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