The recent fuss about closing ticket offices is typical. That was all about protecting non-jobs. I can recall identical wailing and breast-beating as the buses phased out clippies and that doesn’t seem to have worked out badly.
It’s a wonder tube trains don’t have stokers.
Moggy
There is bound to be some protectionism or even ludditism (is that a word I wonder) within the union structure, what you see as a brake on progress, inconvenience or hanging on to non jobs, to someone else this means keeping his/her job and income, the rights and wrongs are very dependant on were you are at the moment.
Let’s not forget without the unions most of us would still be at tugging the forelock and bending the knee stage, must add if a service costs a little more would much prefer it going to keeping someone in a job on relatively modest income, rather than contributing to the £multi million annual lottery wins of the real non job fat cats, remember directly or indirectly we pay for them as well.
I’m now retired, for most of my working life was in private sector in a job very much paid by results, finished as a manager (a real manager by the way) employing the staff for my department and responsible for the results, I have never had the belief that anyone owes me a living, all that I am trying to do is show another view.
It’s all very well blaming unions for all the ills of the country, particularly as it isn’t true, of course the unions are going to come into conflict with employers, come on how many employers offer the rank and file work force better pay and conditions voluntarily?
Strange using the dockers as an example, remember the “dockers pen” where dock workers turned up hoping that an overseer would select them for work that day, hoping that it would be a big ship with a full cargo for this port and they would get the unload and load, guarantee work for a couple of days. A thought for everyone, Halewood ex Ford car factory in Liverpool, terrible labour relations for years, unions and workforce derided, now look at the same factory, same union, same workforce, now Jaguar/Land Rover, moving forward, increasing production, taking on more staff, only change is new management, does that not tell us all something.
As far as Marxist claptrap is concerned you are making some wild assumptions there, strange to say I actually agree with your last statement that unbridled trade unionism or socialism is as dangerous as unbridled capitalism.
Finally knowing how anti trade union and Labour this forum is, I have enjoyed myself immensely.
Mr Green, substitute the word Tory for Union and I would agree 100% with your post, but that isn’t true is it, no more than your blinkered prejudiced approach to trade unions is.
There are very few employers who actually give a flying rodent’s rear end to the majority of their workforce, without the unions there would have been no progress or improvement in the lot of working people.
Frankly our current situation needs stronger unions, so many workers are being treated appallingly that there will be industrial unrest, then of course the Tories and sycophantic followers will be on their soap boxes accusing the unions of creating unrest, of belligerent and antisocial activity, of hurting the vulnerable by withdrawing labour, conveniently forgetting that these self same workers have seen their pay and conditions eroded, are treated and discussed with derision, are expected to do more and more with and for less and less.
Only a Tory government can WASTE £billions on an unwanted, ineffective and failed reorganisation of our NHS, then say there isn’t enough money to pay nurses, yet there is plenty of money for the consultants, the private sector cherry picking.
You voice your opposition to unions, this present parody of government sickens me with their disregard for the majority and pandering to the few, far from creating a recovery I feel that the problems have been compounded and any progress will be harder than ever.
Just to shatter your illusions not many public sector workers get annual increments just for staying there, this arises because new staff tend to start at a low level rate and are given rises in line with experience until they reach the rate for their job, from then on the only rises will be due to promotion or negotiated rises, the garbage in certain right wing press is just that, garbage, I personally know a number of public sector workers who haven’t had a pay rise for 3 or even 4 years and they are not alone by a long, long way.
OK John,
Haven’t called anyone “sir” since leaving school, was only trying to be polite.
Not quite sure were you get taxpayer funding from? incidentally trade unions are not exclusively tied to a political party, sure most unions are or have been linked to the Labour party, but in reality some unions are more likely to be allied to Tories rather than Labour.
For me the unions should be about looking after the interests of their members irrispective of whatever brand or flavour of government is in charge.
Possibly rather macabre, but the fact that so many of these shells are still very much live, it says plenty about the quality of manufacturing in those days.
For an amazing chunk of my working life this country financially rode a roller coaster whichever political party held the reins, now I know some of you will have the voodoo dolls out at this, but the longest period of stability with living wages, affordable interest rates and a reasonably good feeling about the place was during Gordon Brown’s time both as Chancellor and even as PM until the crash.
I am not trying to say he got everything right, he certainly didn’t, but he had a better record than most.
I won’t mention the worst period IMO, have no wish to cause heart attacks, stress or raised blood pressure.
This whole pension situation is becoming more and more of a conundrum, judging by the posts on here very few if any are keen to hand control to a government of any flavour, yet most appear to have very low regard of the private financial services world, even if a not for profit organisation was set up to handle pension would that organisation have any concern about getting the best return on funds?
I’m not going to even pretend that I have the answer, but people in general are going to need to be even more careful in their choice of pension provider, certainly in my own case what appeared to be a more than adequate pension when I retired, is certainly vastly reduced in value now, not pleading poverty by the way (yet) just a simple statement.
The picket line was just to stop the Con-Dems from privatising it and flogging the show to some off shore venture capitalist.
John
Don’t get over excited, I did not celebrate when she died, I have no desire to dance on her grave, but do not expect millions of people to have a real respect for her, I most certainly don’t and most definitely all these attempts to show that woman as some sort of saint, genius, or even as a popular leader will always go down like a brick budgie as far as I’m concerned.
Couldn’t stand the sight or sound of her when she was alive, I and many others would prefer that she and us can be left in peace now she’s gone, thank you.
For all it’s imperfections we need the BBC if only as a counter balance to the rapacious moguls of commercial TV, we all know that Murdoch was within touching distance of taking total control of Sky just as the NoTW brown stuff hit the fan, his next target quite clearly the BBC, he had been blathering on for quite some time about the “unfair” competition from the BBC and very noticeable just who was the first through the back door of No 10 after the election.
Probably presenting his bill for support of the Tories, personally I am convinced that but for the NoTW bust up stopping him in his tracks, the BBC would now be under considerable restrictions in both financial and content terms.
Granted she was strong and purposeful, but I found her attitude and approach extremely arrogant and yes her opposition both outside and within her party was weak, the comment that some men took against her because she was a women missed the mark, I feel that many both men and women felt that a female PM would have better empathy and understanding with family and what affects families, sadly this was far from reality.
The reality is she can longer haunt, terrorise or otherwise damage anyone, we live even now with the splits and divisions she helped create, but let’s just leave it at that and hopefully move on, the old saying “no point crying over spilt milk” is appropriate I feel.
As they say “you can fool some of the people most of the time” etc, etc.
If I make just one person happy then I’m happy.
The biggest con job ever perpetrated on the British public, yes she got away with it for too long, but notice the real North / South divide during her time, however to repeat can she and us be left in peace, so many Tories keep dragging her name into discussion, then get all indignant when she doesn’t receive the national adulation that they feel she deserves, she’s gone let’s leave it at that shall we.