So before we started selling the stuff what happend when all these underground caverns were full up, did that water not rise to the surface and flow into the river just like any other water?

Don’t know about other areas, but in Buxton the water has and still does come to the surface, the town was built as a “Spa” town.

There is at least one drinking fountain constantly running where you can fill your own bottles if you wish FOC.

Typical the TV News channels getting all excited, after the papers have already printed the story, some pics and write up Daily Mirror today.

Seem to be identifying the pilot as Flight Sergeant Dennis Copping who was actually transferring aircraft to another base for repairs, allegedly.

Very true, it is so easy for organisations to fall into a circular system were people are producing statistics which someone else studies, makes recommendations, yet another body authorises action, sends it back to the “shop floor” only to find that those doing the work had requested this very action about a decade previously.

A quick Google plenty of car finance companies showing rates on new cars at 6.9% APR and 7.9% APR on used cars, some even without deposit.

Note; if you arrange your own finance then you are a free agent when dealing with car salespeople, ps them off somewhat.

Good to see a positive story amidst all the doom and gloom, equally good on all those who handed over their hard earned medals to someone they deemed even more deserving.

I understand what the organisers are saying, but sounds like a very lame excuse to me, but at least they are going to produce a trophy for a courageous lady.

CD

I’m looking for a new car since my Panda blew up. kia have just given me a quote on a 3 year HP purchase @ 17% APR. 17 % when the BoE Base is 0.5 % !!!!!! can you believe that. And that is with a substantial deposit.

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Sorry to go off topic somewhat, but that sounds like sub-prime rates to me, shop around don’t accept that, tell the salesman to stick his car were the sun don’t shine, surprisingly, it very often improves the deal.

What are they using as a flat rate? Probably about 8.5% as a guess, that is a disgrace.

I’ve been engaged in a debate with Creaking Door on another thread, I say our priority must be getting people back into work, CK keeps coming back with we can’t create non-jobs, I agree totally and you sir in a couple of lines provide the answer.

Most of the chief execs for managing oversupply of paper clips all seem to be on megabucks with pa, secretary, car expense account etc and yet the individual who actually does the work is just one person who orders all stationary and probably paid buttons.

Clear the plethora of people whose main focus is empire building and we would be well on the way to turning things around, the added benefit would be the obvious in that we could probably employ a dozen people doing work that needs doing for every one of the superfluous chiefs.

No ‘of course’ about it

Making up statistics doesn’t ever strengthen your argument.

Moggy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9143983/Graphic-Fall-in-public-sector-employment-masked-by-private-sector-growth.html

Yes looks good that way, but 59,000 of these “new” jobs are part time, very often short term contracts, (courtesy BBC news), if anything that would represent a fall in full time private sector jobs.

Now I have no idea were you live, but in the North of England jobs are being shed faster than hair off a Labrador, posting on an aviation forum surely you are aware of the jobs gone from the aviation industry alone.

Just to give a quick insight, Jaguar Land Rover announced a plan to increase production creating 1,000 new jobs, they had 5,700 applicants before the plan started, I believe that figure passed 11,000 before they closed the applications.

My argument with the Tory austerity plan making savings is not as true as we are told, jobs have been chopped from NHS, net result agency staff have to brought in at much greater expense to cover essential staff, savings?

Border control, we all know whats going on there, again shuffling staff and now recruiting again, savings?

Lets not forget reality, all public sector workers are paid ultimately by the tax payer, but those workers are themselves tax payers both direct and indirect, job gone probably some level of redundancy which is a one off payment, plus benefit payments, or should these people be left to starve, the actual saving is nothing like the figure that ministers dish out.

Bearing in mind that many of the job losses are among lower earners, in many cases the debit column has just been moved to another sheet, still paid by the tax payer, but with no work in return.

Jobs lost in the private sector, the effect is even worse because that produces just an increase on the debit sheet, we need growth in the economy in order to produce the income which in turn will enable us to pay our debts, simply cutting and more cutting kills both sides, or are we in some lunatic dash to the bottom.