That’s interesting, what did she do for 9 years as a B.2 before conversion?
She XL164 was a Trials aircraft for the B2 retrofit aircraft and then in store at St Athan before conversion to a tanker
Just out of interest can anyone name all of the named Victors from Operation Granby?
If you look in Roger Brooks books on the Victor you will find all the details of the Nose art from Operation Granby as well as the FULL history of XL164 the only RAF Service had was as a K2 with 55 and 57 Squadrons
All the best
XH648
If 648’s Hydraulic and other system were closed down why do the Victor XL231 XM715 why are still allowed to operate when surely their hydraulic systems are out of date????? Surely other aircraft come into that category?
Victor XH648 Repaint
I totally agree with all of you regarding 648 Roger Brooks and his wife and the team left in the early 1990’s after having had discussions with Chris Knapp on the way he wanted them to work with him in charge doing what he wanted us to do not on the Victor or Vulcan. Sorry but you dont even know what we were talking about my team at that time had a Vulcan Electrical Specialist (Ch/Tech, a Airframe Sergeant with Battle Damage Instructional Experience, Another Ex SNCO Airframe an Ch/Tech Victor Mk1 and 2 Crew Chief , three Civilian Mechanical Fitters, A Civillian Avionics Specialist and a Proffesional Drive. And 4 others all having been at Duxford for quite a few years. We were banned from running the Hydraulic and orther services as the sysytems paticularly Hydraulic were out of “Life” despite RAF Marham Hydraulic bay willing to service them for NOTHING. When it stared to pickle Chris Chippington asked us to paint it again this time in the open we declined after all it was the IWM and Chris Chippington in particular they made us spray it with MATT Varnish. The Victor does not have a main spar there are 3 spars and spar at the trailing edge of the wing No 4,Chris Knapp tried to have it scrapped in the MID 1990’s he was advised to forget it after Fellows and Members of the RAeS advised the museum that they were wrong Roger and Heather will not be returning to Duxford having been advised not to rejoin on their return from Yorkshire and XL231
Whats Happening???
This is very funny nothing since 3rd June all gone on holiday/
Dessicant in Aircraft Intakes WHY !!!
Iin all my 12 years with the Sapphire and Conway in Victors on the Flight Line and in the hangars I never saw anything like this placed in an intake even aircraft in the hangars under long term repair it was not used. The only place an engine man might find dessicant was in the MVP bags that the engine came with from the overhaul location and that was in the Engine Bay
With the Conway which turned in the breeze quite often with the bungs in and it was a tail wind nothing was ever put in the intake except the correct three bungs. This was a By Pass Engine not like the Olympus
Any case with the aircraft in the hangar there was no need for this item as the engines were designed to stay out in the open on QRA etc. If in doubt always have a look you self its saves a possible Court Marshal or loose your job if in Civilian life.
You think you have fun with a model how do you think we felt when 19 of the beggars appeared at Woodford in all sorts of shapes and guises.There where some K1 and some B2 and at least one odd ball as I recall there was a 20th airframe an all whit one but not sure what we did with it as I seem to remember it was the only one to come in by road the rest flew from Radlet followed by loads of lorries full of bits.
My memory is a bit rusty these days but I seem to recall XL 231,232,189,190 amongst others 232 was the first to go back into the sky(I think) on its first test flight it lost its port air brake over a farmers field near Macclesfield and then a week before the airshow blew out about 100 square feet of tarmac from the runway intersection during a practice session.
It then sadly ended its days in a funeral pyre at Marham because someone decided to transfer fuel to the pods on the way out to the end of the runway and number three threw a blade and bounced it off the tarmas back through the pod and wing (Nasty)a Victor from one side and a black burnt nothing from the other at least the crash crews and the buldozers on the fire dump got plenty of practice.
Sorry Firebex the correct story on 232 disaster and a record of all Victors moving to Woodford is in Roger Brooks Book on the Victor Published by Pen and Sword and a listing of all the flights involved with the Testing of the Victor K2
A Great Book
Trenchardbrat
Converting a HP Victor Back to a B1
I have read all the items under this post and all I can say is that you cannot convert a B2 or K2 back to a B1
If you want accurate data why not have a look at the Handley Page book by Roger Brooks from Pen and Sword as this has the facts not fiction in it The Nmk 2 wing is much deeper at the rear and its span ias 120ft and the B1 is 110ft The K2 is 117 ft with 18inches removed from each wing tip. If you wish to check on facts please send me a private message.
Manxman
Bloodhound MK 1 Launchers per Squadron
I was a member of 141 Squadron RAF Dunholme Lodge from May 1961-October 1962 We had two LCP buildings each controlling 16 Launchers A and B Sections there is a good aerial shot od the Old RAF Mission Base showing the location of the launcher bases and the two LCP buildings (can be found on Google Search)
I was also a member of 15JSTU Range Flight from October 1962-May 1965 and we has three launcher bases at Woomera two on concrete and two on the sandy soil base. I ended my Missile tour at RAF Aberporth before returning to Aircraft Maintenance in early 1966.
RAF Persnal Records
If you go to the Veterans Web site it will give you all the details on obtaining a copy of a persons records. Best of Luck
He might well have acted as crew chief in the preservation era . Much like i sort of do with the vixen at brunty. There might not be many ex chief out there willing to be a chief liney in the cold without pay and a sgt mess to get drunk in afterwards for a couple of quid[PHP][/PHP]
I dont know which aircraft Crew Chiefs you were with or when but in my day some 30+ years ago it was not that sort of life style I can assure you. Whats the point of getting drunk in ther Sgts Mess when the majority of those who I worked with lived well away from the camp in their own homes. Dont comment on those people if you were not one of them, also it depended which camp you were on and the aircraft you were a crew chief for
RAF Crew Chiefs
Godfrey Lee was the designer of the Victor (Handley Page’s chief designer?).
Cpl Graham Jones used to be one of Lindy’s crew chiefs but very sadly died sometime before early 2003 (just before I joined the team, so I never had the pleasure of meeting him).
No way was Graham Jones a Crew Chief I heard he was a Rigger (airframe Technician) RAF Crew Chiefs were all Chief Technicians fron the Airframe and Engine trades!!!
Pod and HDU Panels
Next question,
Has anyone got a photo, illustration, or information of the S.Vixen camera pod / recce control panel (I promise that I don’t have this myself!) ?
This fits in the same hole as the tanker control panel when that isn’t fitted.
Also a picture of the recce pod and buddy refuelling pod would be appreciated, heck while I’m here a pitcure of the Harley light pod would be great aswel.Going back to the Victor tanker, has anyone got a picture of the tanker control panels situated in th rear cockpit? I can’t find anything anywhere!
Try The Handley Page Victor by Roger R Brooks in two volumes from Pen and Sword it has many pictures of the crew positions etc
RAF Goose Bay
WV904 88th
Thanks for confirming the Blue Steel data. While in Woomera with 15JSTU a Radar Tracking trial of the Blue Steel drop was undertaken and it was a sucess as if we had fired a missile it would have caught the Blue Steel and the second missile would have downed the Victor or Vulcan.
I spent two weeks with 4 JSTU in 63 genning up and taking my Corporal Techs board as they would not send me to Singapore. I think it was a Ch/Tech Baker who took for the oral. Who later was my Boss as a F/O at RAF Marham 1966
I was at Goose bay in 1972 when the Victor tankers took the Harrier to the Trenton Air show and two of us had flights in the RCMP Otter.
I was a Victor Tanker Crew Chief from 1973 -1978 on all versions of the tanker
Pod panels for a Sea Vixen
As far as I have researched the pod used was a Mk 20A, The Victor used the MK 20B and the Pod Control Panels were the same as far as I can find out . If in Yorkshire have a look at XL231 at Yorkshire Air Museum Elvington