India has snubbed British industry and awarded a £13billion deal to supply fighter jets to France.
The contract was lost despite Government claims that the UK’s £1billion aid package to India would help secure the order.
Really?
As opposed to let’s say a UK£1 billion in discount….
They really need to hire more competent managers if this was the case…:p
How come he flew for the Iraqis for two years in the Iraq-Iran war? I know Iraq and India had some common Socialist/Communist/Stalinist allegiances, but never knew it actually went beyond covert WMD/missile assistance.
Outside of the insulting remarks made by you.
Deputation from the Indian Air Force of flying instructors to Iraq was common from the late 50s to late 80s
Whose advantage?:eek:
an advantage to Rafale (in the context of the beyond visual range combat with F-16 and J-10)
How does the Rafale’s poor radar fare into this? The Eurofighter is expected to get a 1500 element AESA. The Rafale, at last report, can only sport a 900 element AESA. This is the worst AESA in any 4.5th or 4th gen fighter available. If the AWACS start popping once PL-21s and Novators start getting traded, won’t the Rafale be at a disadvantage due to poor BVR detection performance?
with a F-16 and J-10, there seems to be a very big advantage for Rafale at BV Ranges.
The Americans firms did not make the MMRCA list, still earning billions selling other military systems.
I didn’t mean selling nukes, but giving access to research facilities in france which are quite good and may help them improve their technology even more
no nukes, Just the civilian nuclear energy field, nuclear reactors and all, that will be a huge market in India in the coming decades, i think France will want to have a good chunk of that market, weapons sales or no weapon sales.
MBDA submitted a weapons package bid as well alongwith the Rafale’s bid by Dassault. So yes, that will also need to be negotiated. I think that phase will begin soon, with the IAF identifying what configuration Rafale it wants and what weaponry it would be interested in purchasing for that Rafale.
Since the MICA-IR/EM deal envisaged 30% offsets of which Bharat Dynamics Ltd. could be the prime beneficiary, perhaps they could licence manufacture the MICA at cheaper prices for the entire Rafale order.
Perhaps, and the new missiles and bombs will also be required in good numbers over a period of time, the InAF will make up a whole inventory, perhaps common usage with Rafale and M2K will be an advantage? (MICA, Meteor, AASM, exocet, scalp etc.)….
There is a dire need of focusing on R&D in every industry in India, i wonder if defence sector can make advances on it’s own?
That said, it is difficult to see how a government/PSU work environment will give the best results for the investments made into defence, lack of autonomy to take decisions and lack of accountability is never a good mix.
As for small innovative companies, well all they get from the government are taxes from the moment they are registered, hopefully giving grants instead of taxes would be the norm one day….
for nuclear technology i think India is a very good market, i doubt it could be called help, it’s a very good sale for France if they can make it.
I really wonder what would the weapons package for this deal be like, it could include a lot of types of weapons in huge numbers distributed over a long time, would give french defence companies a lot of business
There must be alternate purchases now in phases (as the planes come in) to purchase weaponry for them (unless that was a part of the deal as well).
Considering the deal for just for air to air missiles for the upgraded Mirage 2000’s, it seems to be a very nice and long term deal for France to sell complete range of weaponry to a new type.
What will the deal compromising of? the planes, the assembly line in India, training for air force and manufacturing seem to be there as defaults.
The two most expensive (reportedly) planes making it to the final race :D.
No Low bidder wins competition this, nice to know the technical requirements were given importance.
It really makes one wonder which Indian official thought it was a good idea for Indian made planes to be trucked in and assembled on the spot.
What kind of message is that sending when all the other planes are flying in under their own power? Its not like the LCA is still a paper weight and can’t fly, but that entrance sure makes it seem like it.
Also, that photographer seem to have an unhealthy interest in the two topless guys erecting the stands. :p
Edit,
On closer inspection, that LCA looks like a mock up, or at least I hope it is.
Can the mock-up fly, sure if you attach a big enough helium balloon to it, or throw it off the edge of a cliff, it can also fly and sail as cargo, since the show was in bengaluru it was transported by road.
The photographer could be attracted to the shirtless Swedes, nothing unhealthy about that in my book.
Chinese in Aero India 2011.
Why do they want to waste their money and time?
by that comparison the B-52 is much better than the F-16 block-52+, or for that matter any other fighter manufactured till date.
10,200 Payload…. :D, while its sitting on the ground why not attach it to a mountain and claim the payload to be a million kgs…..
The Original, i believe was by Black Eyed Peas.
Yeah! pump it
louder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ
Unless they are USN..
What are the specifications of the sensor payload on the UAV?